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Post by foster on Sept 11, 2019 21:01:41 GMT
Indeed. I’m now thinking they allowed yellowhammer to be released in order to force MPs into voting for Mays reheated Brino WA. They can’t say on one hand “no deal would be a disaster” and then not vote for a deal thus making no deal more likely. Exactly. The old deal will be reheated with a sprinkling of 'political declaration' updates. The old deal works out in the EUs favour. We'll probably end up paying a contribution, as now, but with less benefits and absolutely no input or say on any EU decisions. I think the EU will be more than happy for us to accept it.
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Post by Davef on Sept 11, 2019 21:02:21 GMT
Project fear, sorry, Yellowhammer. 'The low income groups will be disproportionately effected'. Quelle bastard surprise. Some of that makes horrific reading and proves Johnson to be a liar again. Christ's ballbag only knows what shit lies is in the redacted bits Very disturbing reading for those on low incomes They're in for a right kicking.. Mind you some of them voted for it. They're no more guilty of voting for "it" than those MP's who voted to hold the referendum, invoke Article 50 and reject the Withdrawal Agreement.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 11, 2019 21:05:04 GMT
"Sir, Project Fear didn't work, the plebs still voted for Brexit!"
"Have you tried calling them racist?"
"Yes! Loads! We've even tried calling them Nazi's but they're just not falling for it!"
"Get something out there with a catchy name, something like 'Thunderzone' or 'Yellowhammer', the plebs will lap that shit up"
... Sigh.
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 11, 2019 21:14:25 GMT
Crazy if true, but not unbelievable. This is the point I mentioned this yesterday and quoted other sources cant believe that the politicians have not picked up on this yet and brought it to the electorates attention. If true it shows how corrupt Boris and his cronies are and who they are really in government for themselves !! when will people realise that this government are only looking after one themselves and the rest of us can go to hell!
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Post by Timmypotter on Sept 11, 2019 21:15:17 GMT
Exactly. The old deal will be reheated with a sprinkling of 'political declaration' updates. The old deal works out in the EUs favour. We'll probably end up paying a contribution, as now, but with less benefits and absolutely no input or say on any EU decisions. I think the EU will be more than happy for us to accept it. Agreed
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 11, 2019 21:21:39 GMT
"Sir, Project Fear didn't work, the plebs still voted for Brexit!" "Have you tried calling them racist?" "Yes! Loads! We've even tried calling them Nazi's but they're just not falling for it!" "Get something out there with a catchy name, something like 'Thunderzone' or 'Yellowhammer', the plebs will lap that shit up" ... Sigh. Im not sure I follow your logic TDC. Is the conspiracy elites conning working class people that its elites stopping the working class from climbing the sunny uplands or does the Victorian Ghost not want Brexit either?
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Post by serpico on Sept 11, 2019 21:22:59 GMT
Btw wasn’t this written up by the previous cabinet which included the arch remainer Phillip Hammond who was accused of leaking some of this weeks ago ? Hammond neither wrote it nor leaked it (the leak came after he had left the cabinet). I’m sure some of this stuff “leaked” to the press around the time May was trying to pass her deal, or someone leaked to the press that such a document exists, there’s was definitely something. David Davis says it was written up by remainer civil servants who thought brexit was all about damage minimization so had an inbuilt bias.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 11, 2019 21:27:39 GMT
The document used to be termed as the base outcome i.e. the likely outcome. Suddenly its termed the worst possible outcome. Goalposts are certainly shifting.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 11, 2019 21:29:58 GMT
Hammond neither wrote it nor leaked it (the leak came after he had left the cabinet). I’m sure some of this stuff “leaked” to the press around the time May was trying to pass her deal, or someone leaked to the press that such a document exists, there’s was definitely something. David Davis says it was written up by remainers who thought brexit was all about damage minimization so had an inbuilt bias. I understand this is the current Government's latest version of Yellowhammer and represents "a reasonable worst case" , not the extreme worst case.
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Post by foster on Sept 11, 2019 21:30:33 GMT
"Sir, Project Fear didn't work, the plebs still voted for Brexit!" "Have you tried calling them racist?" "Yes! Loads! We've even tried calling them Nazi's but they're just not falling for it!" "Get something out there with a catchy name, something like 'Thunderzone' or 'Yellowhammer', the plebs will lap that shit up" ... Sigh. Im not sure I follow your logic TDC. Is the conspiracy elites conning working class people that its elites stopping the working class from climbing the sunny uplands or does the Victorian Ghost not want Brexit either? It's doesn't make sense. It's not eh Remainers that need to be convinced. It's the leavers like him that are in denial. Anyway. They voted for this.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 11, 2019 21:32:53 GMT
"Sir, Project Fear didn't work, the plebs still voted for Brexit!" "Have you tried calling them racist?" "Yes! Loads! We've even tried calling them Nazi's but they're just not falling for it!" "Get something out there with a catchy name, something like 'Thunderzone' or 'Yellowhammer', the plebs will lap that shit up" ... Sigh. Im not sure I follow your logic TDC. Is the conspiracy elites conning working class people that its elites stopping the working class from climbing the sunny uplands or does the Victorian Ghost not want Brexit either? Serpico nailed it. It's a ruse to get the WA with amendments through. I can't believe how many people are falling for this charade, though. It's like a bad movie!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 11, 2019 21:35:42 GMT
The redacted part was apparently about fuel export duties and what sounded like the definite closure of two refineries and the loss of 2000 jobs. Subsequent strike action would casue widespread fuel shortages. Leading to food & medical supply shortages and petrol rationing. According to the government. That's why it will never happen.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 11, 2019 21:38:21 GMT
Im not sure I follow your logic TDC. Is the conspiracy elites conning working class people that its elites stopping the working class from climbing the sunny uplands or does the Victorian Ghost not want Brexit either? Jesus wept. People are not still falling for all that 'establishment' and 'Political Elites' bollocks are they? Can you study for a degree in Gullibility? I think virtually everybody has been duped. Leavers and Remainers.
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Post by serpico on Sept 11, 2019 21:39:02 GMT
I thought liberal lefties wanted us to cut back on fuel use and food consumption (consumption in general) to save the planet and make poor people less obese ? You should be rejoicing at some of yellowhammers outcomes.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 11, 2019 21:42:27 GMT
I thought liberal lefties wanted us to cut back on fuel use and food consumption (consumption in general) to save the planet and make poor people less obese ? You should be rejoicing at some of yellowhammers outcomes. I suspect some will have greater access to planet busting materials than others serp.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 11, 2019 21:42:35 GMT
Im not sure I follow your logic TDC. Is the conspiracy elites conning working class people that its elites stopping the working class from climbing the sunny uplands or does the Victorian Ghost not want Brexit either? Jesus wept. People are not still falling for all that 'establishment' and 'Political Elites' bollocks are they? Can you study for a degree in Gullibility? Corbyn believed it for 30 odd years. Not sure if he still does?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 11, 2019 21:52:16 GMT
Jesus wept. People are not still falling for all that 'establishment' and 'Political Elites' bollocks are they? Can you study for a degree in Gullibility? Corbyn believed it for 30 odd years. Not sure if he still does? I'm sure he does Tricky, even Stephen Kinnock said (politics live bbc2) that "Labour has more positions on Brexit than the Karma Sutra" Bunch of shysters
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 11, 2019 21:56:39 GMT
Corbyn believed it for 30 odd years. Not sure if he still does? I'm sure he does Tricky, even Stephen Kinnock said (politics live bbc2) that "Labour has more positions on Brexit than the Karma Sutra" Bunch of shysters I think it's sending people round the bend, mate. I will be glad when it's all over.
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Post by serpico on Sept 11, 2019 22:06:30 GMT
I’m sure some of this stuff “leaked” to the press around the time May was trying to pass her deal, or someone leaked to the press that such a document exists, there’s was definitely something. David Davis says it was written up by remainers who thought brexit was all about damage minimization so had an inbuilt bias. I understand this is the current Government's latest version of Yellowhammer and represents "a reasonable worst case" , not the extreme worst case. Someone on the Peston show just said the majority of it was written when May was in power, so I think its been knocking about for awhile.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 11, 2019 22:11:41 GMT
I understand this is the current Government's latest version of Yellowhammer and represents "a reasonable worst case" , not the extreme worst case. Someone on the Peston show just said the majority of it was written when May was in power, so I think its been knocking about for awhile. Emily "The Riddler" Thornberry is coming soon. I better get the Tena Men's out.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 11, 2019 22:15:35 GMT
Im not sure I follow your logic TDC. Is the conspiracy elites conning working class people that its elites stopping the working class from climbing the sunny uplands or does the Victorian Ghost not want Brexit either? Serpico nailed it. It's a ruse to get the WA with amendments through. I can't believe how many people are falling for this charade, though. It's like a bad movie! By who though mate? Is everyone responsible for the conspiracy?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 11, 2019 22:24:02 GMT
Serpico nailed it. It's a ruse to get the WA with amendments through. I can't believe how many people are falling for this charade, though. It's like a bad movie! By who though mate? Is everyone responsible for the conspiracy? Parliament as a whole. They all shit in the same pot. And whoever pulls their strings. It's such a crisis they wouldn't cancel their holidays or their conferences. They are all a joke.
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Post by M on Sept 11, 2019 23:00:33 GMT
By who though mate? Is everyone responsible for the conspiracy? Parliament as a whole. They all shit in the same pot. And whoever pulls their strings. It's such a crisis they wouldn't cancel their holidays or their conferences. They are all a joke. Strings are pulled by whoever bids the most. There's no shadowy organisations, just people with money who back people with influential votes. They're basically mostly all whores. Only thing is it's us who have the taste of jizz in our mouthes.
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Post by serpico on Sept 11, 2019 23:07:54 GMT
By who though mate? Is everyone responsible for the conspiracy? Parliament as a whole. They all shit in the same pot. And whoever pulls their strings. It's such a crisis they wouldn't cancel their holidays or their conferences. They are all a joke. People think yellowhammer hurts Boris because he wants no deal, this is entirely wrong, yellowhammer helps him get his (or more accurately, Mays) WA deal through parliament. Boris, mogg and Gove voted for Mays withdrawal agreement and the majority of his current cabinet voted remain.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 12, 2019 4:46:10 GMT
I understand this is the current Government's latest version of Yellowhammer and represents "a reasonable worst case" , not the extreme worst case. Someone on the Peston show just said the majority of it was written when May was in power, so I think its been knocking about for awhile. Not sure why people think this is a stick to beat Johnson with he didn't create the current impasse in parliament. No deal is a consequence of the last 3 wasted years of supposedly trying to get a deal through the commons . As I've said before we are where we are because of parliament , don't blame Boris or the voters
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 12, 2019 5:47:05 GMT
I thought Boris was a hard right anti democrat? A leader of a coup? Hardly in a position to call someone unfit, surely? In reality Boris is a liberal leaning Tory who is desperate for a deal with the eu. Trump is essentially a 1990s Democrat. Thems there are alternative facts.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 12, 2019 6:12:31 GMT
The threat of WW3 appears to be receding.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Sept 12, 2019 6:13:52 GMT
Questions for the more vocal remainers on this board.
If the revised WA comes back into play before October 31, would you be happy if parliament said ‘Aye’
Would you consider Boris to be a success if it goes through?
Do you actually think parliament would pass a revised WA or do you think they will continue to push for an extension with a view to achieving ‘remain’?
For the life of me, I struggle to understand why the current coalition doesn’t push to revoke Art 50. They have the weight of numbers to make it happen and have made their positions clear. I think the population have seen enough & will never trust Govt again.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 12, 2019 6:14:20 GMT
Absolutely needs to be a people’s vote, it’s the only way out of this mess🗳
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Sept 12, 2019 6:18:52 GMT
Absolutely needs to be a people’s vote, it’s the only way out of this mess🗳 & if the same result is returned?
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