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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 8:46:00 GMT
No matter what we say. These bastards don't care!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 23, 2017 8:49:55 GMT
Kids have died lads. At least save the geo political analysis until the bodies are cold ffs and those who are missing are accounted for.
I can't even begin to fathom it. A load of kids having a good time, probably a first gig for some, sickening on every single level.
RIP to all. (Save the perpetrator)
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Post by imho on May 23, 2017 8:51:37 GMT
I take it you haven't read all the posts then - eggybread on page 3 mentions it. I await your apology. I'm not apologising for asking you a question mate. Jesus. What the fuck is wrong with this board today?! He doesn't openly hope they're white non-Muslim on page 3 mate, just expresses the possibility that they might be from what I can see. Your correct response should have been..sorry I didn't see it (and then argue your point more if needed) ...not 'what the fuck is wrong with this board today' ....mmmm...I wonder what could have got people's backs up. I hope it wasn't a Muslim and just a random nutter but the current feeling is that it was and you calling people posting on a message board a 'hate mob' isn't helping and is basically making you look like an apologist (not saying that you are) and it has the effect of hardening people's view points rather than them listening to you. Personally I think you are either so entrenched in your own views or just to stubborn to back down when you're in the wrong (maybe not in your viewpoint but timing) that it doesn't matter what anyone posts or responds to you - Again I might be wrong but to be honest I don't care.
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Post by serpico on May 23, 2017 8:53:08 GMT
our idiotic foreign policy has created the necessary conditions for a group like isis to flourish, i'm not cynical enough to believe it was deliberate, more likely it stems from political shortsightedness, nobody seems to look down the road at the possible consequences of intervention and kicking out of power Al Qeada and co's biggest enemies in the middle east region. We're living in a modern age of multiculturalism and ease of movement, this gives the opportunity for any muslim warped enough to carry out what they see as "revenge" attacks.
we've spent 16 years fighting the jihadis enemies for them in the middle east, and we're surprised they've gained in strength and can still carry out attacks like the one last night! not only have we handed them a propaganda victory by bombing nations like Iraq, we also handed them massive swathes of territory by knocking out their enemies and leaving a massive power vacuum.
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Post by serpico on May 23, 2017 8:59:05 GMT
The west carried on bombing and sanctioning Iraq all though the 90's, there was no military disengagement, they just didn't go all the way and topple saddam (for reasons we saw after 2003 invasion, ask dick cheney) and left some Iraqis out to dry Bin Laden, Saudis and the region as a whole were angered by the fact the US stationed troops on military bases in mecca and medina from which they attacked Iraq in the first gulf war, this really was the beginning of modern day islamic terrorism, it lit the blue touch paper. Bin Laden also wanted to put an army together and fight Saddam but the Saudi rulers wouldn't allow him, he made a big stink and got kicked out of the kingdom, after this he got AQ going and dedicated himself to attacking the US, but in the beginning he forbid attacks on civilians, the terror threat has mutated ever since and it's now so nihilistic they're targeting teenagers at a pop concert! I'm pretty certain that the suicide bomber in Manchester had no detailed grasp of the geo Political situation in the Middle East or elsewhere just a burning hatred of the West. You can reason with logic but not with emotion. And that's the problem. Because for every one suicide bomber there are 100 more with some deranged grievance against Western culture & Religion and the tolerance it promotes. if the same person who detonated the bomb is the same person who made it then there is a degree of sophistication involved, this was a massive bomb, it's entirely possible it's someone with experience in one of these various terror petridish nations we have created through shortsighted foreign policy decisions, this is another concern, people going over to these nations and honing their "skills" then returning, hence the need for proper vetting at our borders.
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Post by mrred on May 23, 2017 9:06:04 GMT
Just... When is enough, enough for fuck sake? Bombings and fucking beheadings in our Capital, murdering kids in our streets?
Fuck Islam.
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Post by Rick Grimes on May 23, 2017 9:06:34 GMT
Such a terrible tragedy, it's hard to know how to stop things like this happening in our country.
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Post by samba :) on May 23, 2017 9:07:06 GMT
Just... When is enough, enough for fuck sake? Bombings and fucking beheadings in our Capital, murdering kids in our streets? Fuck Islam. be careful what you put on the Internet
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 9:11:30 GMT
Coward.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 9:16:11 GMT
Such a terrible tragedy, it's hard to know how to stop things like this happening in our country. We can't
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 23, 2017 9:16:37 GMT
Anyone just see that woman on Sky News talking about the woman she sat next to acting suspiciously?She reported it to security who did fuck all about it.Woman disappeared minutes before the bomb went off😮
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 23, 2017 9:19:23 GMT
Anyone just see that woman on Sky News talking about the woman she sat next to acting suspiciously?She reported it to security who did fuck all about it.Woman disappeared minutes before the bomb went off😮 What was she doing that was suspicious? Not questioning you, I've just not seen the interview that's all.
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Post by mattador78 on May 23, 2017 9:20:02 GMT
Take the moral high ground I have read on here! Seriously fuck off with this artsy farsty love in. As a nation we are defined as the little guy who has not taken shit from anyone in defence of our realm since the William the conquer and the Viking. A thousand years of empire majesty and pride yes we have done ropey shit name a nation who hasn't . If these pricks either home or abroad what to play rough then give it too them in one night in cities like Dresden and Berlin we would have killed more innocents than we have done in these so called oppressed countries so if we can do it then to stop a monstrous regime let's start again. Ps I don't apologise if I have offended anyone at the moment as I'm sick of scum and apologists
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Post by dexta on May 23, 2017 9:21:28 GMT
Anyone just see that woman on Sky News talking about the woman she sat next to acting suspiciously?She reported it to security who did fuck all about it.Woman disappeared minutes before the bomb went off😮 What was she doing that was suspicious? Not questioning you, I've just not seen the interview that's all. fidgeting all night with her bag...wasnt paying any interest in concert
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 23, 2017 9:22:53 GMT
Anyone just see that woman on Sky News talking about the woman she sat next to acting suspiciously?She reported it to security who did fuck all about it.Woman disappeared minutes before the bomb went off😮 What was she doing that was suspicious? Not questioning you, I've just not seen the interview that's all. In and out of a bag/rucksack,nervously moving around.Woman asked her if she'd come to the concert on her own.The daughter also went to security who told her "you wouldn't like it if you were being accused of something " also no bag searches on entry
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 23, 2017 9:25:41 GMT
Take the moral high ground I have read on here! Seriously fuck off with this artsy farsty love in. As a nation we are defined as the little guy who has not taken shit from anyone in defence of our realm since the William the conquer and the Viking. A thousand years of empire majesty and pride yes we have done ropey shit name a nation who hasn't . If these pricks either home or abroad what to play rough then give it too them in one night in cities like Dresden and Berlin we would have killed more innocents than we have done in these so called oppressed countries so if we can do it then to stop a monstrous regime let's start again. Ps I don't apologise if I have offended anyone at the moment as I'm sick of scum and apologists If the terrorists are at home, wtf is bombing somewhere going to do?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 23, 2017 9:27:07 GMT
What was she doing that was suspicious? Not questioning you, I've just not seen the interview that's all. In and out of a bag/rucksack,nervously moving around.Woman asked her if she'd come to the concert on her own.The daughter also went to security who told her "you wouldn't like it if you were being accused of something " also no bag searches on entry Jesus, let's hope it was nothing. Otherwise that security guard has some serious questions to answer. Crying tragedy, all of it
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Post by Rick Grimes on May 23, 2017 9:28:08 GMT
Such a terrible tragedy, it's hard to know how to stop things like this happening in our country. We can't Unfortunately you're right. The only way is by removing/banning Islam in the UK but displacing/targetting millions of innocent muslims just because of a few brainwashed nutjobs claiming to be acting in the name of Islam isn't right.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 23, 2017 9:30:58 GMT
In and out of a bag/rucksack,nervously moving around.Woman asked her if she'd come to the concert on her own.The daughter also went to security who told her "you wouldn't like it if you were being accused of something " also no bag searches on entry Jesus, let's hope it was nothing. Otherwise that security guard has some serious questions to answer. Crying tragedy, all of it She's on ITV now
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Post by manmarking on May 23, 2017 9:33:25 GMT
I'm not apologising for asking you a question mate. Jesus. What the fuck is wrong with this board today?! He doesn't openly hope they're white non-Muslim on page 3 mate, just expresses the possibility that they might be from what I can see. Your correct response should have been..sorry I didn't see it (and then argue your point more if needed) ...not 'what the fuck is wrong with this board today' ....mmmm...I wonder what could have got people's backs up. I hope it wasn't a Muslim and just a random nutter but the current feeling is that it was and you calling people posting on a message board a 'hate mob' isn't helping and is basically making you look like an apologist (not saying that you are) and it has the effect of hardening people's view points rather than them listening to you. Personally I think you are either so entrenched in your own views or just to stubborn to back down when you're in the wrong (maybe not in your viewpoint but timing) that it doesn't matter what anyone posts or responds to you - Again I might be wrong but to be honest I don't care. Mate, I'm not apologising for asking you a question. End of. Especially not one you still haven't answered. It's a message board and we live in a democracy (for the time being). Bizarre. As to your point about 'hate mob', you're quite right. However I was called a terrorist apologist on this thread for saying nothing more than: Terrible business. RIP to those killed. Let's not jump to conclusions about cause until the police have done their work.
Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/268714/men-arena-bombing#ixzz4htNrzi4tFrankly if people will take from that post that I'm a terrorist apologist, then it really doesn't make any odds what I say or how I say it. It's a pity but there you go.
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Post by thevoid on May 23, 2017 9:40:10 GMT
Or 'Pretend it didn't happen'. Utter bollocks.
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Post by manmarking on May 23, 2017 9:41:48 GMT
No, mumf. As I posted on the Bangkok thread, it's sadly typical of people like you to use a terrorist atrocity to score points on an Internet message board. I'll cast judgement as and when the professionals have done their job. Until then, sincere RIP and best wishes to everyone else. (Something you haven't wished I notice). Why do you think I'm so angry? Because I do care for these poor innocent victims and our once peaceful country. But its time to fight fire with fire. None of this crap about them wanting us to get wound up. Terrorists are weak cowards who are not worth prison space. Show their supporters or other potential followers what happens when you carry out these atrocities. What are you talking about, mumf? I've made it quite clear that I don't think this is the time or place for unwarranted speculation or trying to start fights or score virtue signalling points. I suggest you try a different target because I won't play your games. And while you're at it, maybe a quick RIP for the victims who aren't even cold yet, yeah? Pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 9:43:38 GMT
It makes me question how weak our MI5 must be.
There are only 2 million Muslims in the U.K, with the technology and information at their disposal, their must surely be some form of A.I able to rule out at least half of these out as potential suspects.
People don't radicalise privately, they're outward with their beliefs, they brag about it on social media or at least they are connected to people who do.
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Post by essexstokey on May 23, 2017 9:50:08 GMT
Just... When is enough, enough for fuck sake? Bombings and fucking beheadings in our Capital, murdering kids in our streets? Fuck Islam. Sorry there is a distinct difference between Islam a religion of peace and these barbaric terrorists who manipulate people for there own end and do it in the name of religion as ive said before in London the Muslims do a lot of good working with the homeless and the less fortunate of society but you don't hear of any of that. And they don't ram religion down peoples throats just give food etc don't judge a whole religion by the acts of despicable people as they say Hatred breeds hatred.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 23, 2017 9:50:20 GMT
It makes me question how weak our MI5 must be. There are only 2 million Muslims in the U.K, with the technology and information at their disposal, their must surely be some form of A.I able to rule out at least half of these out as potential suspects. People don't radicalise privately, they're outward with their beliefs, they brag about it on social media or at least they are connected to people who do. MI5 have stopped upwards of 13 of attacks in recent years and I dare say 100s over the past decade. This isn't Minority Report, they can only monitor and act when they see a crime committed, we'll wait for the details.
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Post by essexstokey on May 23, 2017 9:54:35 GMT
It makes me question how weak our MI5 must be. There are only 2 million Muslims in the U.K, with the technology and information at their disposal, their must surely be some form of A.I able to rule out at least half of these out as potential suspects. People don't radicalise privately, they're outward with their beliefs, they brag about it on social media or at least they are connected to people who do. Our MI5 is very strong each day you hear how they have foiled an attempt and put the perpetrators' in jail just look at the recent London raids of cause some will sneak under the radar but most don't
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 9:58:32 GMT
It makes me question how weak our MI5 must be. There are only 2 million Muslims in the U.K, with the technology and information at their disposal, their must surely be some form of A.I able to rule out at least half of these out as potential suspects. People don't radicalise privately, they're outward with their beliefs, they brag about it on social media or at least they are connected to people who do. Countries like France would love an intelligence department like ours, remember for all the hard work that goes on unannounced it only takes one person to slip through the net or get lucky. Thankless task unfortunately....
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Post by desman2 on May 23, 2017 10:00:28 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on May 23, 2017 10:00:34 GMT
Trump just said from now on he will call these terrorists " losers " What an embarrassment he is
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Post by bringmesunshine on May 23, 2017 10:01:27 GMT
Jesus, let's hope it was nothing. Otherwise that security guard has some serious questions to answer. Crying tragedy, all of it She's on ITV now What is she saying?
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