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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2017 19:25:39 GMT
Can it get a bit warm in death valley on a sunny day? What? Does a bear shit in the woods? Is the Pope Catholic? All that sort of thing. Essentially he was replying ... "Yes".
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Post by trigger on May 14, 2017 19:25:52 GMT
In all honesty the best thing about yesterday was it was the last home match of the season and that I don't have to endure dragging myself to the game, it's been an horrendous season and one to forget. Could have been much worse, ask Sunderland, Middlesborough and Hull fans, frightening as we've taken 16 points from them, in fact it's horrendously​ close as if we'd slipped up against any of the above teams we'd be doomed. The final table doesn't lie and we fully deserve to be where we are but we don't deserve one person to make such glaring errors time after time for the past 18 months and get away with such ineptness.
No disrespect to the remain camp but open your eyes Hughes is a train wreck waiting to happen.
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Post by skip on May 14, 2017 19:26:58 GMT
Forget picking the bones out of Hughes' signing record, who we recorded our points against this season or whatever else. The bottom line we can hardly score and that makes us more likely to go down and less likely to stay up. And it's not improved this season, with Bony (an unmitigated disaster), Berahino (the potential is there we needed it realising ten games ago), Diouf (out of position and/or can't score for a toffee), Crouch (the most professional player by a mile at Stoke but five minutes away from retirement), Joselu (on loan) and who else? Hardly any goals coming from midfield since Joe Allen's bizarre run of goals early doors.
If you can't score, you lose.
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Post by stokiejoe on May 14, 2017 19:32:25 GMT
13th to 17th are 3pts or one win apart, that for me is far too close for comfort. We have avoided relegation this season but Hull, Middlesborough and Sunderland wont be there next season. We have scraped 41 pts at best we will get 44. Just not good enough. Not expecting great things or to top the league but do hope for a decent cup run and one or two upsets of top six teams. Don't think we should be anywhere near relegation with the money we have spent and to be fair the players we have got. Not that far from a really good team if we were fit, organised,employed decent tactics and played as a team rather than individuals. Has to be down to Scouting, training and management We are in the Premier League; every team in our league has spent millions. I think we have spent very little compared to everyone else in the league over the past 4 transfer windows. Ok change that to the money we have wasted eg Imbula, Bony etc
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Post by Naughtyfarty on May 14, 2017 19:35:04 GMT
I think we neec to change the manager
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2017 19:35:49 GMT
Forget picking the bones out of Hughes' signing record, who we recorded our points against this season or whatever else. The bottom line we can hardly score and that makes us more likely to go down and less likely to stay up. And it's not improved this season, with Bony (an unmitigated disaster), Berahino (the potential is there we needed it realising ten games ago), Diouf (out of position and/or can't score for a toffee), Crouch (the most professional player by a mile at Stoke but five minutes away from retirement), Joselu (on loan) and who else? Hardly any goals coming from midfield since Joe Allen's bizarre run of goals early doors. If you can't score, you lose. And if you combine that with not being able to defend then you're fucked!
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Post by scfcwebby on May 14, 2017 19:36:01 GMT
Just being silly It's the hottest place on earth 130F 140 F?? Was it one of them "do bears shit in the woods" questions?
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Post by scfcwebby on May 14, 2017 19:36:36 GMT
Does a bear shit in the woods? Is the Pope Catholic? All that sort of thing. Essential he was replying ... "Yes". Ahhh, beat me to it Paul
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Post by roylandstoke on May 14, 2017 19:37:21 GMT
We are in the Premier League; every team in our league has spent millions. I think we have spent very little compared to everyone else in the league over the past 4 transfer windows. Ok change that to the money we have wasted eg Imbula, Bony etc Everyone wastes money too. ÂŁ15M for Jordan Ibe off the top of my head... Money in modern day football is mental.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 14, 2017 19:38:08 GMT
Forget picking the bones out of Hughes' signing record, who we recorded our points against this season or whatever else. The bottom line we can hardly score and that makes us more likely to go down and less likely to stay up. And it's not improved this season, with Bony (an unmitigated disaster), Berahino (the potential is there we needed it realising ten games ago), Diouf (out of position and/or can't score for a toffee), Crouch (the most professional player by a mile at Stoke but five minutes away from retirement), Joselu (on loan) and who else? Hardly any goals coming from midfield since Joe Allen's bizarre run of goals early doors. If you can't score, you lose. I do think though that address the 2 DMs and fullbacks and we will score more. The biggest and most obvious issue we have is that 1 - our current midfielders first ball is back. 2 - we have no pace at full back. 3 - our current build up is so slow that the opposition always have time to get players behind the ball. 4 - none of our midfielders have goals in them other than Allen. 5 - because Hughes doesn't have confidence in a midfield 2 keeping the opposition out we don't have a number 10.
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Post by Sven on May 14, 2017 19:38:15 GMT
We are relegation material now so why shouldn't it be the same next season? We have 5 points in the last 9 games (around a quarter of a season). That would be 22 points across all 38 games. Things are getting grim. I'm guessing the first 9 would have been just as bad
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Post by Naughtyfarty on May 14, 2017 19:40:01 GMT
from 23rd January 2015, leicester away, 1-3, Man U away, 0-3, Everton home, 0-3, Liverpool away, 1-4, Surs home. 0-4, Man City away 0-4, Man City home, this season, 1-4, Spurs home0-4, Crystal Palace away, 1-4, Liverpool away, 1-4, Cheslea away, 2-4(although we played well), Spurs away, 0-4, and Arsenal home, 1-4. I think this is unacceptable
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Post by geoff321 on May 14, 2017 19:41:50 GMT
A lot of posters are saying this Stoke squad is weak and ageing and requires a massive overall, others are saying it's one of the strongest squads in the clubs history. Before any decision is taken about the manager it might be useful to try and sort out which view is correct. If it'a weak squad then perhaps the best person to deal with the problem is the current manager who knows the players and their strengths and weaknesses better than anyone else. If on the other hand it is a strong squad with some really good players then this might suggest the drop in form is temporary and Hughes will eventually turn it round.
For me, because of the three successful seasons Mark Hughes has enjoyed, it would be a major mistake not to allow him to try and rectify the problems before taking a decision about his future.
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Post by wearestoke80 on May 14, 2017 19:42:34 GMT
Yes, the following is getting worse.
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Post by Gods on May 14, 2017 19:48:05 GMT
We are relegation material now so why shouldn't it be the same next season? We have 5 points in the last 9 games (around a quarter of a season). That would be 22 points across all 38 games. Things are getting grim. Yes, we are more or less in freefall.
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Post by blackpoolred on May 14, 2017 19:50:38 GMT
We are always relegation candidates, first target for us since we started in the prem is always 40pts. That said our squad is getting weaker and more unbalanced with every Hughes window. It is becoming terminal in certain areas of the park and we arguably need 3 or 4 quality signings to avoid a scrap at the foot of the table next season.
Should we be trusting the man who has got us in this mess is another question. He has probably earned another shot at it and also our support, and as stated in other threads the are no other British options who are as good as Hughes at the moment.
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Post by malteser68 on May 14, 2017 19:50:56 GMT
We are a complete shambles
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Post by Naughtyfarty on May 14, 2017 19:57:48 GMT
I think we have more problems than we think we have, think we will go down, just smple things...giving Johnson a contract?????, he is shit
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Post by turtlefox on May 14, 2017 20:17:42 GMT
If Hughes stays, aren't we just prolonging the inevitable ? His chance to show us what he can do as a manager was this season. It hasn't worked out. I don't buy all the injury bollocks either. It's the same for all teams. He's like a kid with too many pieces of Lego at the moment and not enough enthusiasm to build anything good.
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Post by greystokie on May 14, 2017 20:40:34 GMT
Without Arnie we'd have gone this season. No two ways about it ! Arnie has chipped in with a few goals but he has been pretty inconsistent and anonymous in many games. Actually I think Grant, over the season, has had far more of an influence on us staying up.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 14, 2017 21:03:56 GMT
Harry Redknapp, Brendan Rodgers I'd even take David Moyes over Hughes.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 21:22:37 GMT
Harry Redknapp, Brendan Rodgers I'd even take David Moyes over Hughes. David Moyes. Wow.....
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Post by chessyorkshirexile on May 14, 2017 21:26:07 GMT
Would you trust Hughes with a substantial transfer budget in the summer? He can't even inspire the misfits he has assembled now play as a team. Will be gone after Southampton for sure.
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Post by crapslinger on May 14, 2017 21:31:45 GMT
A lot of posters are saying this Stoke squad is weak and ageing and requires a massive overall, others are saying it's one of the strongest squads in the clubs history. Before any decision is taken about the manager it might be useful to try and sort out which view is correct. If it'a weak squad then perhaps the best person to deal with the problem is the current manager who knows the players and their strengths and weaknesses better than anyone else. If on the other hand it is a strong squad with some really good players then this might suggest the drop in form is temporary and Hughes will eventually turn it round. For me, because of the three successful seasons Mark Hughes has enjoyed, it would be a major mistake not to allow him to try and rectify the problems before taking a decision about his future. You would you are a Vale fan after all.
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Post by alster on May 14, 2017 21:40:01 GMT
Forget picking the bones out of Hughes' signing record, who we recorded our points against this season or whatever else. The bottom line we can hardly score and that makes us more likely to go down and less likely to stay up. And it's not improved this season, with Bony (an unmitigated disaster), Berahino (the potential is there we needed it realising ten games ago), Diouf (out of position and/or can't score for a toffee), Crouch (the most professional player by a mile at Stoke but five minutes away from retirement), Joselu (on loan) and who else? Hardly any goals coming from midfield since Joe Allen's bizarre run of goals early doors. If you can't score, you lose. This is the crux of the problem fans are getting side tracked by the amount of goals we've conceded but a loss is a loss. If we don't improve our goalscoring and threat we're going to be in for an almighty struggle.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 14, 2017 21:42:09 GMT
People generally consider that we have been shit since the start of 2016. So looking at league games since 1st january 2016 it is Played. 55 Won. 16 Drawn. 15 Lost. 23 Points. 63 Points per season 43 ish? Goals for 61 Goals against 92 So for a prolonged period of time we have shown form which leaves us teetering just above the relegation spots, and are latest run of form over the last ten games, and the performances, are the worst yet. At least this time last season and the start of this season we could point to having a shit keeper! We are in a very precarious position with hughes in charge, that much is clear From 7th down isn't that the same with every other team
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Post by heworksardtho on May 14, 2017 21:44:59 GMT
Harry Redknapp, Brendan Rodgers I'd even take David Moyes over Hughes. Add Larry , curly and mo
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Post by crapslinger on May 14, 2017 21:57:51 GMT
In contention we are nailed on if we keep this clown as our manager and we will deserve it.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 14, 2017 22:01:02 GMT
Harry Redknapp, Brendan Rodgers I'd even take David Moyes over Hughes. David Moyes. Wow..... Much better manager than Hughes. No manager would've kept Sunderland up.
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Post by scfc5 on May 14, 2017 22:03:49 GMT
Harry Redknapp, Brendan Rodgers I'd even take David Moyes over Hughes. So you'd take a manager who has been consistently rubbish in his last 3 jobs and just got relegated?
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