|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 22, 2017 21:20:50 GMT
Because I do , local knowledge is a massive advantage, by the way Chesterfield is a beautiful part of the country Easy answer but no proof Yes its great
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Apr 22, 2017 21:21:10 GMT
look if your that bored tell me why you think peter coates is not a dinosaur. Well to me, Coates looks most like the creature on the far right, which I believe is a Homo sapien Coates was an Australian gold digger, he has lost his corks Sheila
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 22, 2017 21:22:28 GMT
Okay, but Kelly's still picked up on a relevant talking point, wouldn't you say? Lots on here knew back in August. I'm a Stoke supporter, first and foremost, I'm certainly not someone who takes pleasure in sounding out that "I told you so" I genuinely wanted to be wrong, but the season's gone pretty much as I expected no matter what. We're Stoke, we're not going to get much better than top of the also rans league but still, only an ardent rose tinted specs wearer could argue that performances are acceptable. It's not. Kelly's only reporting what's blatantly there to be reported, ratings or not 👍🏼 Unfortunately, we hardly got a mention. My reason for starting the thread was actually to see what he and Stokies would say about our current form, no agenda. Im glad we hardly got a mention
|
|
|
Post by songthrush01 on Apr 22, 2017 21:24:09 GMT
how long has he been in charge,from his first time here.
|
|
|
Post by nik80 on Apr 22, 2017 21:25:06 GMT
Okay, but Kelly's still picked up on a relevant talking point, wouldn't you say? Lots on here knew back in August. I'm a Stoke supporter, first and foremost, I'm certainly not someone who takes pleasure in sounding out that "I told you so" I genuinely wanted to be wrong, but the season's gone pretty much as I expected no matter what. We're Stoke, we're not going to get much better than top of the also rans league but still, only an ardent rose tinted specs wearer could argue that performances are acceptable. It's not. Kelly's only reporting what's blatantly there to be reported, ratings or not 👍🏼 I agree we have been awful and I am sure it will be sorted at the end of the season. Doesnt need media scum jumping on the bandwagon Talkshit have hammered us since we were promoted so they done deserve any Stoke fan listening to them. Just helps keep the shit channel going. That's fair enough, we started as a laughing stock, grew into thugs, slight respect when they realised we weren't going anywhere fast, then indifference under Hughes this season, having been tipped, I might add, to do better things... Now, finally, the penny drops and the fangs are out yet again.... It's really the nature of the beast though, Stoke are not Norwich, Charlton or Reading say. There's something in us that compels them to talk about US. We should embrace I guess, it certainly wasn't the case fifteen years ago 👍🏼
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 22, 2017 21:25:38 GMT
how long has he been in charge,from his first time here. the first time he disnt have the money judge him on his second spell like people do Pulis
|
|
|
Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 22, 2017 21:26:22 GMT
This season has been fucking miserable. We all love football. We all love our club. It's in our blood and you can't beat the match day buzz. Having said all that, I wouldn't be arsed if the season finished now and we had a few months break, that's how bleak and uninspiring it's been.
With the money that Hughes has spent, we should be building something positive. There should be some idea of which direction we're heading and what the bigger picture is.
The reality is, it's a shambles from top to bottom. Performances are devoid of any creativity and we are utterly useless in front of goal. Is it 7 away games now without a goal?
We're going to finish just above the bottom 4 or 5 teams, and the league table doesn't lie.
He's lost the fucking plot.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Apr 22, 2017 21:26:45 GMT
Because I do , local knowledge is a massive advantage, by the way Chesterfield is a beautiful part of the country Easy answer but no proof Yes its great Proof of the pudding is in the eating he will be gone maybe he will limp over the line this season, hopefully not for me, the family are not happy with the situation, I prefer Belper if I am honest
|
|
|
Post by jjmscfc on Apr 22, 2017 21:29:06 GMT
The media are out to sell papers and stories. Hughes should know his best eleven after pre season/ 4 games into the season, he's still struggling after 34 games which is ridiculous . However our squad is that strong we should have enough to compete with most teams in this league. The starting eleven has let Hughes down to many times this season, but the players carry on getting there bonuses and pay rises. we cannot compete with the top 6 or 7 Money doesnt really come in to it unless its performance related. I'm a realistic person, it will be years and years until we have any sort of visions on them top 6/7 places. These players need to take responsibility for there preformances, I don't believe these comments about players not playing for a certain manager. You play for your club and your fans
|
|
|
Post by nik80 on Apr 22, 2017 21:29:26 GMT
Okay, but Kelly's still picked up on a relevant talking point, wouldn't you say? Lots on here knew back in August. I'm a Stoke supporter, first and foremost, I'm certainly not someone who takes pleasure in sounding out that "I told you so" I genuinely wanted to be wrong, but the season's gone pretty much as I expected no matter what. We're Stoke, we're not going to get much better than top of the also rans league but still, only an ardent rose tinted specs wearer could argue that performances are acceptable. It's not. Kelly's only reporting what's blatantly there to be reported, ratings or not 👍🏼 If there was no truth in it there would be no debate, Kelly is right to bring this up we a well established PL side who have spent a shed load of cash and gone backwards as a result, Hughes is putting our PL future at risk the more questions about this the better for our club, this mismanagement can not continue if we are to survive in the PL. Yeah, possibly. Certainly gives the powers that be a head wobble 👍🏼
|
|
|
Post by mrred on Apr 22, 2017 21:32:12 GMT
Let's be honest, it's probably a slow news day if we're a talking point. Even if the media are right to (finally) pick up on this shit 1.5 year run we seem to be having.
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 22, 2017 21:32:53 GMT
I agree we have been awful and I am sure it will be sorted at the end of the season. Doesnt need media scum jumping on the bandwagon Talkshit have hammered us since we were promoted so they done deserve any Stoke fan listening to them. Just helps keep the shit channel going. That's fair enough, we started as a laughing stock, grew into thugs, slight respect when they realised we weren't going anywhere fast, then indifference under Hughes this season, having been tipped, I might add, to do better things... Now, finally, the penny drops and the fangs are out yet again.... It's really the nature of the beast though, Stoke are not Norwich, Charlton or Reading say. There's something in us that compels them to talk about US. We should embrace I guess, it certainly wasn't the case fifteen years ago 👍🏼 Sooner embrace a shit fan than talkshit
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 22, 2017 21:34:10 GMT
Easy answer but no proof Yes its great Proof of the pudding is in the eating he will be gone maybe he will limp over the line this season, hopefully not for me, the family are not happy with the situation, I prefer Belper if I am honest no taste then how do you know they arent happy?
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 22, 2017 21:36:34 GMT
we cannot compete with the top 6 or 7 Money doesnt really come in to it unless its performance related. I'm a realistic person, it will be years and years until we have any sort of visions on them top 6/7 places. These players need to take responsibility for there preformances, I don't believe these comments about players not playing for a certain manager. You play for your club and your fans Agreed but dont think its about money it should be pride.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Apr 22, 2017 21:40:18 GMT
Proof of the pudding is in the eating he will be gone maybe he will limp over the line this season, hopefully not for me, the family are not happy with the situation, I prefer Belper if I am honest no taste then how do you know they arent happy? Better pubs me duck, like I said before local knowledge is the key it opens many doors I will PM you when I feel you need to know, on a need to know basis of course.
|
|
|
Post by jjmscfc on Apr 22, 2017 21:41:07 GMT
I'm a realistic person, it will be years and years until we have any sort of visions on them top 6/7 places. These players need to take responsibility for there preformances, I don't believe these comments about players not playing for a certain manager. You play for your club and your fans Agreed but dont think its about money it should be pride. Pride and comment are two basics which we lack massively. You can pay a player hundreds of thousands of pounds a week but if they don't want to display those basics, they are useless
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 22, 2017 21:42:02 GMT
no taste then how do you know they arent happy? Better pubs me duck, like I said before local knowledge is the key it opens many doors I will PM you when I feel you need to know, on a need to know basis of course. better pubs granted
|
|
|
Post by nik80 on Apr 22, 2017 21:42:34 GMT
That's fair enough, we started as a laughing stock, grew into thugs, slight respect when they realised we weren't going anywhere fast, then indifference under Hughes this season, having been tipped, I might add, to do better things... Now, finally, the penny drops and the fangs are out yet again.... It's really the nature of the beast though, Stoke are not Norwich, Charlton or Reading say. There's something in us that compels them to talk about US. We should embrace I guess, it certainly wasn't the case fifteen years ago 👍🏼 Sooner embrace a shit fan than talkshit Now that's true hatred 😄
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 22, 2017 21:43:13 GMT
Agreed but dont think its about money it should be pride. Pride and comment are two basics which we lack massively. You can pay a player hundreds of thousands of pounds a week but if they don't want to display those basics, they are useless Thats why several of them are with us.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Apr 22, 2017 21:45:55 GMT
we cannot compete with the top 6 or 7 Money doesnt really come in to it unless its performance related. I'm a realistic person, it will be years and years until we have any sort of visions on them top 6/7 places. These players need to take responsibility for there preformances, I don't believe these comments about players not playing for a certain manager. You play for your club and your fans They should I agree, however player power has a significant bearing on a Managers career you only have to look at Leicester and Chelski under Jose for evidence of that, if as I suspect lost the dressing room the sooner he goes the better for our club.
|
|
|
Post by jjmscfc on Apr 22, 2017 21:47:12 GMT
Pride and comment are two basics which we lack massively. You can pay a player hundreds of thousands of pounds a week but if they don't want to display those basics, they are useless Thats why several of them are with us. Yet people on here think players like Ryan should leave the club if the money's right. Decisions like that could lead stoke into a very bad situation. All the players need to step up and get back to basics, from there our quality will take us forward.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 21:48:35 GMT
About time the national media got on this.
The more scrutiny on him the better. Get him fucking gone.
|
|
|
Post by jjmscfc on Apr 22, 2017 21:50:31 GMT
I'm a realistic person, it will be years and years until we have any sort of visions on them top 6/7 places. These players need to take responsibility for there preformances, I don't believe these comments about players not playing for a certain manager. You play for your club and your fans They should I agree, however player power has a significant bearing on a Managers career you only have to look at Leicester and Chelski under Jose for evidence of that, if as I suspect lost the dressing room the sooner he goes the better for our club. It does happen and those incidents prove that, I still think he has a chance with this squad. We will see, we need youth, young full backs, maybe take a chance on some young lower leagues players if we haven't got the quality in our academy
|
|
|
Post by songthrush01 on Apr 22, 2017 21:57:03 GMT
how long has he been in charge,from his first time here. the first time he disnt have the money judge him on his second spell like people do Pulis i started going with my dad in 1980 and i dont think he was the owner then.i have to look it up when first took over.
|
|
|
Post by hotterpotter on Apr 22, 2017 22:13:46 GMT
As astute as Danny Kelly is, I'm surprised Hughes' underperforming Stoke side haven't had more of a critique as of yet. Clearly we've been forgotten as potentials to do better and now simply regarded as also rans... The truth however, if they'd truly been watching is far more disconcerting. It's an interesting point you raise. We are just one of those sides that make up the numbers and nobody outside of Stoke gives a flying fuck about.You see it week in,week out on programs such as Match of the Day where pundits trot out the same old un-educated bollocks such as "Stoke? They'll be fine" or "They're a physical side and great at set pieces", when in reality we are wank at set pieces and aren't physical at all and as it stands we are pretty far from fine. Our fans slag the media off for such uninformed nonsense but when one of the more informed journo's raises a valid discussion about how shit we've been for a while now he's shot down as some sort of prick who knows fuck all?? Kind of feels like we're Fulham - bouncing around mid table and staying up until we inevitable slip up one season and go back down... But please let it not be with Passive-Aggressive Pardew or the Owl Man of Owlcatraz at the helm. I'd rather take my chances with Hughes if that's the alternative!
|
|
|
Post by djduncanjames on Apr 22, 2017 23:21:27 GMT
Didn't think this chart warranted it's own thread so I might as well chuck it in here. Have a look at this, it's quite revealing: MARK HUGHES HISTORY OF STRIKERS
|
|
|
Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Apr 22, 2017 23:34:14 GMT
Because, as of yet, MOTD haven't mentioned Stoke and the troubles we've got (mate). They do peddle the same old shite, I'm not stamping my feet hoping they start tooling about our shite form BUT their lack of acknowledgement of this point, speaks volumes, I cannot believe, it's taken this long for someone to ask the question. It could have been asked in August; it was round here. I appreciate they don't watch Stoke like us, but still 👍🏼 All that MoD care about is the top teams. The only reason Kelly mentions it is to try and raise his listening figures, the only reason it is mentioned on here is because it suits the mood of so many. The mood of so many? But its true, I cant believe theres a Stoke fan on this board who is happy with the management at the moment. It has been abysmal for 99% of the season, MH has to answer for that, the only issue I have with ever getting rid, is that there is not much out there to replace him with! (British managers anyway). We have been shocking for well over 18mths, and giving contracts to Johnson et al has tipped me over the edge (Bardsley i have no issue with - good backup), he has his favourites in much the same way as Pulis did. The first 2 yrs were a breath of fresh air, now its absolutely shocking, he has become almost Pulis-eque in some of his decisions. We have no pace and no actual plan/system, he still does not know his best formation/style and we only have 4 games left in the season?
|
|
|
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 23, 2017 8:03:30 GMT
All that MoD care about is the top teams. The only reason Kelly mentions it is to try and raise his listening figures, the only reason it is mentioned on here is because it suits the mood of so many. The mood of so many? But its true, I cant believe theres a Stoke fan on this board who is happy with the management at the moment. It has been abysmal for 99% of the season, MH has to answer for that, the only issue I have with ever getting rid, is that there is not much out there to replace him with! (British managers anyway). We have been shocking for well over 18mths, and giving contracts to Johnson et al has tipped me over the edge (Bardsley i have no issue with - good backup), he has his favourites in much the same way as Pulis did. The first 2 yrs were a breath of fresh air, now its absolutely shocking, he has become almost Pulis-eque in some of his decisions. We have no pace and no actual plan/system, he still does not know his best formation/style and we only have 4 games left in the season? I believe there are many fans happy with the management read the posts several say they are.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2017 8:35:13 GMT
All that MoD care about is the top teams. The only reason Kelly mentions it is to try and raise his listening figures, the only reason it is mentioned on here is because it suits the mood of so many. The mood of so many? But its true, I cant believe theres a Stoke fan on this board who is happy with the management at the moment. It has been abysmal for 99% of the season, MH has to answer for that, the only issue I have with ever getting rid, is that there is not much out there to replace him with! (British managers anyway). We have been shocking for well over 18mths, and giving contracts to Johnson et al has tipped me over the edge (Bardsley i have no issue with - good backup), he has his favourites in much the same way as Pulis did. The first 2 yrs were a breath of fresh air, now its absolutely shocking, he has become almost Pulis-eque in some of his decisions. We have no pace and no actual plan/system, he still does not know his best formation/style and we only have 4 games left in the season? The sound of yet another penny finally dropping.
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 23, 2017 8:43:45 GMT
No wonder the players can't be motivated the best way to motivate is play the players who are playing well (Sobhi, Grant, Bards, Diouf, Muni, Afellay etc) and leave it to those not in the team to put pressure on them so when they perform under a certain level for a period of time they get dropped (Pieters, Johnson, Whelan, Allen)
|
|