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Post by liathroid on Apr 29, 2017 16:01:39 GMT
no sheets for Joe to wash this week
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 16:03:25 GMT
12th and falling. With 3 good teams coming up I'm worried. They always appear "good". But yes - should be concerned for next season with aging players, crocks, poor tactics, humpball, and round pegs/square holes. We're clueless.
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 29, 2017 16:03:28 GMT
Benji benji give us a Moan Benji give us a moan
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Post by liathroid on Apr 29, 2017 16:04:18 GMT
12th and falling. With 3 good teams coming up I'm worried. who have to buy
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 16:04:38 GMT
Terrible match but a vital point just hope Man U beat the Swans tomorrow then we're pretty much safe. We're shit, but very much safe.
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Post by stokemark on Apr 29, 2017 16:05:21 GMT
Just coming off
Very convenient point for both managers
Awful for the 27500 watching
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Apr 29, 2017 16:06:52 GMT
Just coming off Very convenient point for both managers Awful for the 27500 watching Pretty much sums it up perfectly. Two very poor sides who can't score goals. The end. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 29, 2017 16:09:46 GMT
Decent game against a well ordered defensive unit. Good point lads, onwards... Their defense has suddenly come good? They've leaked goals all season! Bunch of useless fucks in both attacks have done my both to score coupon in!
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Post by nott1 on Apr 29, 2017 16:11:39 GMT
no sheets for Joe to wash this week Makes a change!
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 29, 2017 16:12:24 GMT
Just coming off Very convenient point for both managers Awful for the 27500 watching Technically we are not mathematically safe!! We would have to have a disaster and Middlesborough, Swansea and Hull would have to win all theirs. Not going to happen On the other hand we could still finish 9th Funny old game, football
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 29, 2017 16:14:33 GMT
Thought Shaq was head and shoulders above any other outfield player on the pitch, though he was throwing himself about way too much. It was clear that the ref hd worked him out very early. It's a shame he didn't do the same for their players.
Thought the pic of the rest were Indi, Muni and Jack. The other 7 were pretty average, though no one had a real stinker apart from Arnie in the first half. Thankfully he improved second half. I just wish we'd go back to 4231 with a trio of Arni, Shaq and Sobhi. We didn't need 3 non creative midfielders today just 2 sitting would have been fine. Decent point which should almost make us mathematically safe if Man U turn up tomorrow. It does look like MH will stay but boy have we gone stale.
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 29, 2017 16:27:56 GMT
Thought Shaq was head and shoulders above any other outfield player on the pitch, though he was throwing himself about way too much. It was clear that the ref hd worked him out very early. It's a shame he didn't do the same for their players. Thought the pic of the rest were Indi, Muni and Jack. The other 7 were pretty average, though no one had a real stinker apart from Arnie in the first half. Thankfully he improved second half. I just wish we'd go back to 4231 with a trio of Arni, Shaq and Sobhi. We didn't need 3 non creative midfielders today just 2 sitting would have been fine. Decent point which should almost make us mathematically safe if Man U turn up tomorrow. It does look like MH will stay but boy have we gone stale. Still think we have a group of good quality players who cannot blend into a team
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 29, 2017 16:33:25 GMT
We are so slow and predictable that makes it boring, loses the atmosphere and results in very few chances for Berahino or anyone for that matter. The midfield look as if they are running through treacle and the amount of backwards and sidewards is ridiculous. I think the problem is largely down to the manager.
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Post by adi on Apr 29, 2017 16:34:45 GMT
Not like we were scoring but only 4 mins added on? That cheat Kouyate was down for half that and their subs crawled off making 4 mins crazy.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 29, 2017 16:35:27 GMT
Thought Shaq was head and shoulders above any other outfield player on the pitch, though he was throwing himself about way too much. It was clear that the ref hd worked him out very early. It's a shame he didn't do the same for their players. Thought the pic of the rest were Indi, Muni and Jack. The other 7 were pretty average, though no one had a real stinker apart from Arnie in the first half. Thankfully he improved second half. I just wish we'd go back to 4231 with a trio of Arni, Shaq and Sobhi. We didn't need 3 non creative midfielders today just 2 sitting would have been fine. Decent point which should almost make us mathematically safe if Man U turn up tomorrow. It does look like MH will stay but boy have we gone stale. Still think we have a group of good quality players who cannot blend into a team Quality but, sadly, not clinical.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Apr 29, 2017 16:37:58 GMT
Thought Shaq was head and shoulders above any other outfield player on the pitch, though he was throwing himself about way too much. It was clear that the ref hd worked him out very early. It's a shame he didn't do the same for their players. Thought the pic of the rest were Indi, Muni and Jack. The other 7 were pretty average, though no one had a real stinker apart from Arnie in the first half. Thankfully he improved second half. I just wish we'd go back to 4231 with a trio of Arni, Shaq and Sobhi. We didn't need 3 non creative midfielders today just 2 sitting would have been fine. Decent point which should almost make us mathematically safe if Man U turn up tomorrow. It does look like MH will stay but boy have we gone stale. Agree with much of this Shaq was head and...well he was the best player on the field. He seems to have become dislodged from the right hand touch line which is wonderful to see. TBH it wasn't an awful match. Both sides had opportunities and both keepers made great instinctive saves to maintain parity. I am starting to wonder what we have to do to score though. Our opponent always seem to pack the area and limit our touches.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 29, 2017 16:41:32 GMT
Still think we have a group of good quality players who cannot blend into a team Quality but, sadly, not clinical. With the right tactics and a few additions we could be an excellent side I just don't have the confidence in MH that he'll freshen it up and take a risk on youth. I'm convinced that if he played Imbula in forward midfield role he'd do a better job than Allen but it looks like that ship has sailed. We are currently being let down by having a poor DM and fullback options. If we start next seasons with BUTLAND NEW RB INDI SHAWCROSS NEW LB ALLEN NEW DM ARNI SHAQ OR IMBULA SOBHI BERAHINO We'd do more than OK.
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Post by adi on Apr 29, 2017 16:41:58 GMT
Thought Shaq was head and shoulders above any other outfield player on the pitch, though he was throwing himself about way too much. It was clear that the ref hd worked him out very early. It's a shame he didn't do the same for their players. Thought the pic of the rest were Indi, Muni and Jack. The other 7 were pretty average, though no one had a real stinker apart from Arnie in the first half. Thankfully he improved second half. I just wish we'd go back to 4231 with a trio of Arni, Shaq and Sobhi. We didn't need 3 non creative midfielders today just 2 sitting would have been fine. Decent point which should almost make us mathematically safe if Man U turn up tomorrow. It does look like MH will stay but boy have we gone stale. Agree with much of this Shaq was head and...well he was the best player on the field. He seems to have become dislodged from the right hand touch line which is wonderful to see. TBH it wasn't an awful match. Both sides had opportunities and both keepers made great instinctive saves to maintain parity. I am starting to wonder what we have to do to score though. Our opponent always seem to pack the area and limit our touches. That's where a quick break can pay dividends. We are far too slow at breaking forward, usually only 1 or 2 players and even when we had 2-3 forward today our passing was awful. Needs improving.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 29, 2017 16:44:27 GMT
Thought Shaq was head and shoulders above any other outfield player on the pitch, though he was throwing himself about way too much. It was clear that the ref hd worked him out very early. It's a shame he didn't do the same for their players. Thought the pic of the rest were Indi, Muni and Jack. The other 7 were pretty average, though no one had a real stinker apart from Arnie in the first half. Thankfully he improved second half. I just wish we'd go back to 4231 with a trio of Arni, Shaq and Sobhi. We didn't need 3 non creative midfielders today just 2 sitting would have been fine. Decent point which should almost make us mathematically safe if Man U turn up tomorrow. It does look like MH will stay but boy have we gone stale. Agree with much of this Shaq was head and...well he was the best player on the field. He seems to have become dislodged from the right hand touch line which is wonderful to see. TBH it wasn't an awful match. Both sides had opportunities and both keepers made great instinctive saves to maintain parity. I am starting to wonder what we have to do to score though. Our opponent always seem to pack the area and limit our touches. I think the 2 main problems for us not getting goals are - Our build up is way to slow. By the time we've passed it around the opposition have 8-9 players behind the ball. - We don't get enough players in the box.
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Post by pyrus on Apr 29, 2017 17:15:16 GMT
We are so slow and predictable that makes it boring, loses the atmosphere and results in very few chances for Berahino or anyone for that matter. The midfield look as if they are running through treacle and the amount of backwards and sidewards is ridiculous. I think the problem is largely down to the manager. Yes, i agree with this. We are ponderous at times. By the time we get to the other end of the field their defence is set, dug in and waiting. I find Whelan infuriating in this regard. When the ball comes though him, he always seems to stall and pass backwards or sideways. Any momentum is lost and it doesn't matter how much speed you have in your team, if you can't pass the ball through the team fast enough, it is going grind to a halt - which it does. I am guessing that Imbula was bought to surge forward with the ball, which he does, he just tends to make too many bad decisions in terms of when to pass and when to take a player on. Like others on here, I am more frustrated than worried. I can see the individual parts of a good team there, but as a team it looks like it is wading though concrete. We do need a creative spark in central midfield. Someone like Ireland was in his younger days and for a fleeting moment, like Bojan was before his injury. But in the meantime, slow and predictable is about right.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 29, 2017 18:05:22 GMT
Half time 3-4 Full time Bother, neither of us!.😀😆
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Post by loosestools on Apr 29, 2017 18:30:31 GMT
Thought Shaq was head and shoulders above any other outfield player on the pitch, though he was throwing himself about way too much. It was clear that the ref hd worked him out very early. It's a shame he didn't do the same for their players. Thought the pic of the rest were Indi, Muni and Jack. The other 7 were pretty average, though no one had a real stinker apart from Arnie in the first half. Thankfully he improved second half. I just wish we'd go back to 4231 with a trio of Arni, Shaq and Sobhi. We didn't need 3 non creative midfielders today just 2 sitting would have been fine. Decent point which should almost make us mathematically safe if Man U turn up tomorrow. It does look like MH will stay but boy have we gone stale. Bang on Cobham. Save
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Post by loosestools on Apr 29, 2017 18:32:48 GMT
Agree with much of this Shaq was head and...well he was the best player on the field. He seems to have become dislodged from the right hand touch line which is wonderful to see. TBH it wasn't an awful match. Both sides had opportunities and both keepers made great instinctive saves to maintain parity. I am starting to wonder what we have to do to score though. Our opponent always seem to pack the area and limit our touches. I think the 2 main problems for us not getting goals are - Our build up is way to slow. By the time we've passed it around the opposition have 8-9 players behind the ball. - We don't get enough players in the box. Bang on again Cobham Save
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 29, 2017 18:39:55 GMT
Thought Shaq was head and shoulders above any other outfield player on the pitch, though he was throwing himself about way too much. It was clear that the ref hd worked him out very early. It's a shame he didn't do the same for their players. Thought the pic of the rest were Indi, Muni and Jack. The other 7 were pretty average, though no one had a real stinker apart from Arnie in the first half. Thankfully he improved second half. I just wish we'd go back to 4231 with a trio of Arni, Shaq and Sobhi. We didn't need 3 non creative midfielders today just 2 sitting would have been fine. Decent point which should almost make us mathematically safe if Man U turn up tomorrow. It does look like MH will stay but boy have we gone stale. Muni was Fuckin pathetic mate,out of position, hanging a leg in at tackles,and was lucky not to get sent off.He isn't a bloody left back and hopefully Pieters who we all know is limited is restored next week.
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Post by hammered on Apr 29, 2017 20:05:38 GMT
Played out as expected with neither team doing enough to win or lose. You need some pace and craft in midfield as much as we need a decent fit striker and although I could suggest we had the better of the meaningful chances with Butland outstanding, overall a decent point and fair result for WHU as well.
At least you've reached 40pts.
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 29, 2017 20:23:25 GMT
Played out as expected with neither team doing enough to win or lose. You need some pace and craft in midfield as much as we need a decent fit striker and although I could suggest we had the better of the meaningful chances with Butland outstanding, overall a decent point and fair result for WHU as well. At least you've reached 40pts. Would have found it difficult to complain had we lost. (I would have managed to somehow) We "dominated" most of the game but thanks to great goalkeeping and a lot of luck we kept a clean sheet.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 29, 2017 23:03:49 GMT
Played out as expected with neither team doing enough to win or lose. You need some pace and craft in midfield as much as we need a decent fit striker and although I could suggest we had the better of the meaningful chances with Butland outstanding, overall a decent point and fair result for WHU as well. At least you've reached 40pts. Spot on. Your going through similar problems as us however I fear Bilic is far more likely to be axed than MH. Do you think it'll be business as usual pre season with a legion of new players. If I were Sullivan and Gold id be going quality over quantity.
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Post by hammered on Apr 30, 2017 0:34:02 GMT
Played out as expected with neither team doing enough to win or lose. You need some pace and craft in midfield as much as we need a decent fit striker and although I could suggest we had the better of the meaningful chances with Butland outstanding, overall a decent point and fair result for WHU as well. At least you've reached 40pts. Spot on. Your going through similar problems as us however I fear Bilic is far more likely to be axed than MH. Do you think it'll be business as usual pre season with a legion of new players. If I were Sullivan and Gold id be going quality over quantity. Actually Cobham a funny old season. Look, we (WHU) know where/what we are etc..Bilic with better players would get better results etc.. But the Dave's big up but sell short. We know, that they know that we know what they're about but enough carry on paying the money..including me Mancini's been seen at a few games but unless they're stumping up dollar to buy decent playing upgrades..nah not going to happen and I'd rather Bilic (who's not perfect) spent the money anyway. I'd be shocked if he was bumped on, because IMO he's not the limitation. My expectations (this season) tempered by moving to a new ground and living up to last season reasoned it always going to be difficult, so 8th -12th based on what we added in the summer (although losing Payet) etc..so where we are now doesn't lie. (Same with you). I think we'll win a couple before the end and be within that range. For sure the Toxic Bowl is a bit alien with so many games felt playing like away and is a reasonable excuse for poor home form (this season) but having said that, we are filling it, making money and it's where we play. A few more memorable wins will give it some history/meaning etc.. But it's the team on the pitch that needs to step up in quality and depth. I'd rather (we had) new owners than new manager, who's done well considering some of the spin he's had swim through. Despite asset stripping us the Dave's have potentially placed us in fantastic (business) position but it relies upon someone else swooping up (Qatar) and taking us to next level. We've also had some players that haven't turned up, (no names needed) we've also loaned and bought muchos shite, (ditto) although last couple of games, Bilic has had to (like today) try fringe players. Masuaku/Fernandes/Calleri/Nordveit who've actually given better balance without a cutting edge. The much desired 20 goal a season striker is a myth unless you spend over £35m and why we don't have one. The gulf between say 15th & 7th is 20% of the gulf between 7th & 6th and above. This is the football world and revenue is king. In this respect we've made a big upgrade by moving both in volume (spectators) and revenue £ commercial/brand wealth and otherwise. Whether the Dave's invest or bank will say much about where we're heading and frankly I haven't a clue..... We still need a proper RB (rumour Zabaleta)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2017 0:57:58 GMT
Spot on. Your going through similar problems as us however I fear Bilic is far more likely to be axed than MH. Do you think it'll be business as usual pre season with a legion of new players. If I were Sullivan and Gold id be going quality over quantity. Actually Cobham a funny old season. Look, we (WHU) know where/what we are etc..Bilic with better players would get better results etc.. But the Dave's big up but sell short. We know, that they know that we know what they're about but enough carry on paying the money..including me Mancini's been seen at a few games but unless they're stumping up dollar to buy decent playing upgrades..nah not going to happen and I'd rather Bilic (who's not perfect) spent the money anyway. I'd be shocked if he was bumped on, because IMO he's not the limitation. My expectations (this season) tempered by moving to a new ground and living up to last season reasoned it always going to be difficult, so 8th -12th based on what we added in the summer (although losing Payet) etc..so where we are now doesn't lie. (Same with you). I think we'll win a couple before the end and be within that range. For sure the Toxic Bowl is a bit alien with so many games felt playing like away and is a reasonable excuse for poor home form (this season) but having said that, we are filling it, making money and it's where we play. A few more memorable wins will give it some history/meaning etc.. But it's the team on the pitch that needs to step up in quality and depth. I'd rather (we had) new owners than new manager, who's done well considering some of the spin he's had swim through. Despite asset stripping us the Dave's have potentially placed us in fantastic (business) position but it relies upon someone else swooping up (Qatar) and taking us to next level. We've also had some players that haven't turned up, (no names needed) we've also loaned and bought muchos shite, (ditto) although last couple of games, Bilic has had to (like today) try fringe players. Masuaku/Fernandes/Calleri/Nordveit who've actually given better balance without a cutting edge. The much desired 20 goal a season striker is a myth unless you spend over £35m and why we don't have one. The gulf between say 15th & 7th is 20% of the gulf between 7th & 6th and above. This is the football world and revenue is king. In this respect we've made a big upgrade by moving both in volume (spectators) and revenue £ commercial/brand wealth and otherwise. Whether the Dave's invest or bank will say much about where we're heading and frankly I haven't a clue..... We still need a proper RB (rumour Zabaleta) Take Johnson, he's ace honest......
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Post by adi on Apr 30, 2017 1:37:07 GMT
Spot on. Your going through similar problems as us however I fear Bilic is far more likely to be axed than MH. Do you think it'll be business as usual pre season with a legion of new players. If I were Sullivan and Gold id be going quality over quantity. Actually Cobham a funny old season. Look, we (WHU) know where/what we are etc..Bilic with better players would get better results etc.. But the Dave's big up but sell short. We know, that they know that we know what they're about but enough carry on paying the money..including me Mancini's been seen at a few games but unless they're stumping up dollar to buy decent playing upgrades..nah not going to happen and I'd rather Bilic (who's not perfect) spent the money anyway. I'd be shocked if he was bumped on, because IMO he's not the limitation. My expectations (this season) tempered by moving to a new ground and living up to last season reasoned it always going to be difficult, so 8th -12th based on what we added in the summer (although losing Payet) etc..so where we are now doesn't lie. (Same with you). I think we'll win a couple before the end and be within that range. For sure the Toxic Bowl is a bit alien with so many games felt playing like away and is a reasonable excuse for poor home form (this season) but having said that, we are filling it, making money and it's where we play. A few more memorable wins will give it some history/meaning etc.. But it's the team on the pitch that needs to step up in quality and depth. I'd rather (we had) new owners than new manager, who's done well considering some of the spin he's had swim through. Despite asset stripping us the Dave's have potentially placed us in fantastic (business) position but it relies upon someone else swooping up (Qatar) and taking us to next level. We've also had some players that haven't turned up, (no names needed) we've also loaned and bought muchos shite, (ditto) although last couple of games, Bilic has had to (like today) try fringe players. Masuaku/Fernandes/Calleri/Nordveit who've actually given better balance without a cutting edge. The much desired 20 goal a season striker is a myth unless you spend over £35m and why we don't have one. The gulf between say 15th & 7th is 20% of the gulf between 7th & 6th and above. This is the football world and revenue is king. In this respect we've made a big upgrade by moving both in volume (spectators) and revenue £ commercial/brand wealth and otherwise. Whether the Dave's invest or bank will say much about where we're heading and frankly I haven't a clue..... We still need a proper RB (rumour Zabaleta) £145m spent on transfers in 3 seasons.... West Ham can do one.
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