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Post by robstokie on Apr 21, 2017 13:34:02 GMT
'Would you trust Corbyn to run the country?' is like asking 'Would you trust Nev Southall or Johan Boskamp to look after your pie when you go for a slash at half time?'
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 21, 2017 13:42:19 GMT
You are missing the point! It's not a crime to do that but it is crime to make poor, sick, disabled, elderly pay the price of a populist right-wing anti-E.U. crusade. Look at how many have run back to the Tories from U.K.I.P.? Reckless, Carswell et al. We had the sight of Carswell campaigning in the Stoke Central by-election for Nutall a couple of weeks ago but now is voting Tory. Don't you think that if we want proper government in the U.K. we should have politicians of integrity. We had Theresa May hiding all Referendum, we had Boris Johnson swapping sides because he wanted Cameron's job 12 months later. The point I'm making is that it's alright for Osborne with his Five Jobs and Cameron with his family assets in the Caribbean to screw up because they've sorted themselves out. Fine but we're having to pay for their mistakes not them! So, anybody else on the Tory Boy gravy train is fair game! The majority of leave voters that I've spoken to aren't anti EU and would have voted remain if there was even a whiff of reform or change in the EU, we voted out because we could see where they are heading and we were of the opinion that we would be far better out than in. The reason that the finances of the country are so bad can be traced back to Blair and Brown with the financial deregulation and resulting crash in 2008, we're still paying the price and still running a deficit for another monumental financial cock up, yet again by the Labour party. Cam and Oss were an abject disappointment and should have done more in the intervening period but didn’t and to be honest I'm glad the pair have gone. The flip flopping between parties and sides of Reckless and Boris is a disgrace and I wouldn’t have either of them. We could and should do more for the sick, disabled and elderly but without the money coming into the treasury we can’t, they can’t just magic up a couple of billion and I’ll say it again, we’re still running a deficit, I agree that corporations get away with paying too little tax and something should be done to address that immediately. But here is the crux of the matter from any angle, to pay for services and help our fellow Britain’s we need an economy that is well run and thrives, not policies of irresponsible unaffordable spending in the hope things will get better, we also need a strong negotiator to deliver a Brexit that isn’t a watered-down compromise where we are still bound by the EU’s demands and laws whilst it claims we are out. So here’s your choice, who do you think will run the economy best, whilst negotiating a Brexit that gives us our total independence, Is it May, corbin or would you be happy to see a coalition of Lib, Lab and SNP? Pure Conjecture. You don't know what your talking about & don't pretend otherwise. Just a bunch of preconceived notions
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 13:43:30 GMT
Yes...But not in The UK. Cuba, Armenia, Azerbaijan maybe...
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Post by bringmesunshine on Apr 21, 2017 13:47:38 GMT
The majority of leave voters that I've spoken to aren't anti EU and would have voted remain if there was even a whiff of reform or change in the EU, we voted out because we could see where they are heading and we were of the opinion that we would be far better out than in. The reason that the finances of the country are so bad can be traced back to Blair and Brown with the financial deregulation and resulting crash in 2008, we're still paying the price and still running a deficit for another monumental financial cock up, yet again by the Labour party. Cam and Oss were an abject disappointment and should have done more in the intervening period but didn’t and to be honest I'm glad the pair have gone. The flip flopping between parties and sides of Reckless and Boris is a disgrace and I wouldn’t have either of them. We could and should do more for the sick, disabled and elderly but without the money coming into the treasury we can’t, they can’t just magic up a couple of billion and I’ll say it again, we’re still running a deficit, I agree that corporations get away with paying too little tax and something should be done to address that immediately. But here is the crux of the matter from any angle, to pay for services and help our fellow Britain’s we need an economy that is well run and thrives, not policies of irresponsible unaffordable spending in the hope things will get better, we also need a strong negotiator to deliver a Brexit that isn’t a watered-down compromise where we are still bound by the EU’s demands and laws whilst it claims we are out. So here’s your choice, who do you think will run the economy best, whilst negotiating a Brexit that gives us our total independence, Is it May, corbin or would you be happy to see a coalition of Lib, Lab and SNP? Pure Conjecture. You don't know what your talking about & don't pretend otherwise. Just a bunch of preconceived notions Each to their own I suppose.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Apr 21, 2017 14:23:40 GMT
The majority of leave voters that I've spoken to aren't anti EU and would have voted remain if there was even a whiff of reform or change in the EU, we voted out because we could see where they are heading and we were of the opinion that we would be far better out than in. The reason that the finances of the country are so bad can be traced back to Blair and Brown with the financial deregulation and resulting crash in 2008, we're still paying the price and still running a deficit for another monumental financial cock up, yet again by the Labour party. Cam and Oss were an abject disappointment and should have done more in the intervening period but didn’t and to be honest I'm glad the pair have gone. The flip flopping between parties and sides of Reckless and Boris is a disgrace and I wouldn’t have either of them. We could and should do more for the sick, disabled and elderly but without the money coming into the treasury we can’t, they can’t just magic up a couple of billion and I’ll say it again, we’re still running a deficit, I agree that corporations get away with paying too little tax and something should be done to address that immediately. But here is the crux of the matter from any angle, to pay for services and help our fellow Britain’s we need an economy that is well run and thrives, not policies of irresponsible unaffordable spending in the hope things will get better, we also need a strong negotiator to deliver a Brexit that isn’t a watered-down compromise where we are still bound by the EU’s demands and laws whilst it claims we are out. So here’s your choice, who do you think will run the economy best, whilst negotiating a Brexit that gives us our total independence, Is it May, corbin or would you be happy to see a coalition of Lib, Lab and SNP? I've read all that! The choice I've made is to vote for my Labour M.P. Jim Dowd? Why? Because the last time the Tories had a 100 seat majority they introduced The Poll Tax! My hope is that we can save as many good Labour M.P. s as possible because we do have hard working, decent, committed M.P.s. If I was in a Tory-Lib Dem marginal, I would vote Lib Dem tactically to avoid a Tory landslide. In the 2015 general election Cameron ruthlessly attacked his five year colleagues the Lib Dems and cost them tens of seats. The aim of this g.e. is to do the same to Labour. It's got nowt to do with 'Brexit' because May by 2020 would have got the divorce agreed and got halfway if not pretty much completed trade talks too. Look, I don't blame her? I said to Labour relatives she would be mad not to? But, let's not pretend it's about Brexit being stopped by 9 Lib Dem M.P.s or a bunch of geriatric peers? It’s not just about Brexit it is also about making sure that she has the strongest power base possible to govern for the next 5 years and only a fool wouldn’t take advantage of that, but like it or not the next 2 years will be dominated by Brexit negotiations and the economy, and the choice is May, corbin or coalition and out of that 3 the only choice that will not destroy this country for the next 25 years is a strong Tory government headed by Rt Hon Theresa May.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 14:32:44 GMT
One is for certain Jezza would make a better PM than chukka That would be a hell of a choice to have to make
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 14:34:49 GMT
Pure Conjecture. You don't know what your talking about & don't pretend otherwise. Just a bunch of preconceived notions Each to their own I suppose. That's a fair enough comment......pity people don't adopt that way of thinking more often .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 14:36:45 GMT
In all honesty I would make a better PM than Corbyn, but I'm not rich or squeaky clean. I couldn't afford to go to Uni and fly with the jet set. However after working on 9 pot banks as a castor/figure maker being a union man, an office manager and a head supervisor, married for 37 years with 2 children and 2 grandchildren I know more about the working class than Corbyn will ever know. How we end up with this shrimp faced lettuce of a man running anything more than a jumble sale for the WI is beyond me.
Always in this country the WRONG person gets the job because the FIRST qualifications are money and privilege. This is why so many people are detached from politics because they share NOTHING with those who are leading the parties and those leaders will NEVER understand the lives that most people have to lead to survive.
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Post by capto on Apr 21, 2017 15:26:40 GMT
You are missing the point! It's not a crime to do that but it is crime to make poor, sick, disabled, elderly pay the price of a populist right-wing anti-E.U. crusade. Look at how many have run back to the Tories from U.K.I.P.? Reckless, Carswell et al. We had the sight of Carswell campaigning in the Stoke Central by-election for Nutall a couple of weeks ago but now is voting Tory. Don't you think that if we want proper government in the U.K. we should have politicians of integrity. We had Theresa May hiding all Referendum, we had Boris Johnson swapping sides because he wanted Cameron's job 12 months later. The point I'm making is that it's alright for Osborne with his Five Jobs and Cameron with his family assets in the Caribbean to screw up because they've sorted themselves out. Fine but we're having to pay for their mistakes not them! So, anybody else on the Tory Boy gravy train is fair game! The majority of leave voters that I've spoken to aren't anti EU and would have voted remain if there was even a whiff of reform or change in the EU, we voted out because we could see where they are heading and we were of the opinion that we would be far better out than in. The reason that the finances of the country are so bad can be traced back to Blair and Brown with the financial deregulation and resulting crash in 2008, we're still paying the price and still running a deficit for another monumental financial cock up, yet again by the Labour party. Cam and Oss were an abject disappointment and should have done more in the intervening period but didn’t and to be honest I'm glad the pair have gone. The flip flopping between parties and sides of Reckless and Boris is a disgrace and I wouldn’t have either of them. We could and should do more for the sick, disabled and elderly but without the money coming into the treasury we can’t, they can’t just magic up a couple of billion and I’ll say it again, we’re still running a deficit, I agree that corporations get away with paying too little tax and something should be done to address that immediately. But here is the crux of the matter from any angle, to pay for services and help our fellow Britain’s we need an economy that is well run and thrives, not policies of irresponsible unaffordable spending in the hope things will get better, we also need a strong negotiator to deliver a Brexit that isn’t a watered-down compromise where we are still bound by the EU’s demands and laws whilst it claims we are out. So here’s your choice, who do you think will run the economy best, whilst negotiating a Brexit that gives us our total independence, Is it May, corbin or would you be happy to see a coalition of Lib, Lab and SNP? can you explain to me why may needs a massive majority of mp's to secure a better brexit deal? surely it doesn't matter if she has a majority of one or 100 when dealing with the EU? are you saying that more than 17,410,742 people are going to vote conservative and that will somehow impress the EU negotiators? think you may have to ignore the headlines and dig down to find the real fact/s she called an election? Match of the Day: fighting the corner of the under dog and the small clubs since 1964
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 21, 2017 16:38:19 GMT
I take it you are well sorted and can afford as David Cameron put it the ideas of "loons and fruitcakes". Anytime I spot any hypocrisy from you right-wingers I'll happily point it out! The pleasure will be all mine! Anyone who votes Tory does so either because they can afford it as you say Nick, or because they're thick and believe what the establishment tells them. Those two reasons cover all the Tories on here. In Bispham's case, you can add "boring nobhead" to the list of reasons too "Anyone who votes Tory does so because they can afford it", "or because they're thick and believe what the establishment tells them.... Is that so? Surely the same argument could be thrown against opposition by believing conspiracy theories, left leaning exponents or even following "what our fathers did before us".... Why is is that people are not allowed their own opinions that contradict yours an nick's own? The only unreasonable responses so far are from you both. I am married to a staunch Labour supporter and you know what.. her and a number of Labour friends voted UKIP because they did not recognise what Labour was before them. They still don't and state that Corbyn is a divisive character who is a marxist socialist rather than a traditional Labour politician. They will not vote Tory no matter what, especially as "Thatcher Mk 2 is on the throne" (I actually like May, compared to the weak willed Cameron and Major - she reminds me of the early Merkel years) but they will not yet vote Labour. I have seen the 10 pledges that Corbyn has released and a lot of it is arse gravy. I will give you my opinion why too: 1. Full employment and an economy that works for all:
“We will create a million good quality jobs across our regions and nations and guarantee a decent job for all. By investing £500 billion in infrastructure, manufacturing and new industries backed up by a publicly-owned National Investment Bank and regional banks we will build a high skilled, high tech, low carbon economy that ends austerity and leaves no one and nowhere left behind.
“We will invest in the high speed broadband, energy, transport and homes that our country needs and allow good businesses to thrive, and support a new generation of co-operative enterprises.”And how does he propose doing this? Where is the £500billion going to come from, including the resources to kick start this publicly funded NIB? A weak flib flab with no details on how this is going to be achieved, especially when they are already complaining of irresponsible financial organisations. More de-regulation to set this back up? Surely that is what happened with the banking crisis and Brown (Labour!) in the first place! £500billion will not be enough investment, and any investment will need a maximum of 2.5 years payback to be investable. Companies will not touch it with a bargepole otherwise. 2. A secure homes guarantee:
“We will build a million new homes in five years, with at least half a million council homes, through our public investment strategy. We will end insecurity for private renters by introducing rent controls, secure tenancies and a charter of private tenants’ rights, and increase access to affordable home ownership.”Promised by the last Labour Parliament and failed to deliver, again! The Tories have not had a success story on this either, however their building programmes far exceeded what was happening under the Blair/Brown promises.... I'm all for it, however I am very cynical that it will be delivered. As for home ownership issues, the main problem is within the banking sector itself. I feel that we need to tackle the deposit issue where people are unable to afford those down payments rather than mortgages themselves. If the NIB (Above) will offer 95% mortgages again, we will be able to reduce the rental market again. 3. Security at work:
“We will give people stronger employment rights from day one in a job, end exploitative zero hours contracts and create new sectoral collective bargaining rights, including mandatory collective bargaining for companies with 250 or more employees. We will create new employment and trade union rights to bring security to the workplace and win better pay and conditions for everyone.
“We will strengthen working people’s representation at work and the ability of trade unions to organise so that working people have a real voice at work. And we will put the defence of social and employment rights,as well as action against undercutting of pay and conditions through the exploitation of migrant labour, at the centre of the Brexit negotiations agenda for a new relationship with Europe.This really gets my goat. It was Labour who implemented Zero hour contracts in 1998 to encourage freedom of labour for students and working mothers. No, the tories had no recinded it as they should have done, but this is a Labour policy that was forced upon the market and people are forgetting it. More work needs to be done to guarantee minimum hours per week regardless of work and this was being addressed by Cameron a few years ago but shot down by Labour. May has already proclaimed that Workers rights will not be affected and people need to remember that a number of initiatives were in place before the UK even joined the EEC. I personally encourage open dialogue with Unions in my Organisation as do others in executive positions elsewhere as it reinforces any changes needed to support growth and/or stability. People's rights are already protected from day one of employment, however he must remember the right to summarily dismiss within the first 2 years of employment (following due consideration) was a policy brought in under..... Labour! You cannot have mandatory collective bargaining rights unless it is agreed by the majority... sigh, he needs to re-read Employment Law and his own beloved Trade Union guide. 4. Secure our NHS and social care:
“We will end health service privatisation and bring services into a secure, publicly-provided NHS. We will integrate the NHS and social care for older and disabled people, funding dignity across the board and ensure parity for mental health services.”Completely agree, but how??? Where are the extra resources going to come from without serious repercussions? Another soundbite without any real detail. 5. A national education service, open to all:
“We will build a new National Education Service, open to all throughout their lives. We will create universal public childcare to give all children a good start in life, allowing greater sharing of caring responsibilities and removing barriers to women participating in the labour market.
“We will bring about the progressive restoration of free education for all; and guarantee quality apprenticeships and adult skills training.”Sigh..... you already have a national education service.... My children are going through it at the moment. We have open access to colleges and universities with funding to support both activities through adult apprenticeships or Company investments. I have personally signed off educational and development programmes for individuals undertake courses from Lvl 3 to Masters. We already have the childcare scheme to assist funding with nursery fees, we provide flexible working to allow mothers and fathers (why do they always forget the fathers) to work and ensure they can look after their children. More can be done, however we have to remember that it is difficult for businesses to always accommodate a flexible worker where a full time worker can fill the same post. We actively have a number of men and women on flexible working on the understanding that they would increase hours when the child is at school age and it works. Guarantee quality apprenticeships? How? More legislation to block freedom and flexibility or curriculum? That would not work. The Tories scheme is a fantastic opportunity that saves money for businesses allowing us to receive educational support for staff up to HND at a fraction of the cost. The apprentice frameworks developed over the last few years are fantastic and allow for the flexibility between differing business' needs and activities. Free education for all? Free apprenticeships are already in place and yet even with the Levy after May it will ensure vast savings for the future. No National Education Service is needed.... but i suppose it sounds good. 6. Action to secure our environment:
“We will act to protect the future of our planet, with social justice at the heart of our environment policies, and take our fair share of action to meet the Paris climate agreement - starting by getting on track with our Climate Change Act goals. We will accelerate the transition to a low-carbon economy, and drive the expansion of the green industries and jobs of the future, using our National Investment Bank to invest in public and community-owned renewable energy.
“We will deliver clean energy and curb energy bill rises for households - energy for the 60 million, not the Big Six energy companies. We will defend and extend the environmental protections gained from the EU.”Once again, no one had disputed environmental protections "gained" from the EU. More sound bites. Green investment was reduced by the (wait for it......) Labour government, especially after the banking crisis in 2007. More can and should be done, but once again, it is folly to say that this is Tory issue... it was an issue instigated by Labour but is a cross Parliament need to improve. I would love to see how he would enforce curbing of energy bill rises? No detail again. 7. Put the public back into our economy and services:
“We will rebuild public services and expand democratic participation, put the public back into our economy, give people a real say in their local communities, and increase local and regional democracy. We will rebuild our economy with public investment to deliver wealth for all, across our regions and nations in a genuinely mixed economy.
“We will act to ‘insource’ our public and local council services, increase access to leisure, arts and sports across the country and expand our publicly-controlled bus network. We will bring our railways into public ownership and build democratic social control over our energy.”With what? With what money Corbyn? The present government has allowed greater regional responsibility for budgets and funding, way too much if you ask me. Wow, nationalise everything and that will resolve the crisis. Do do so will require massive investment with financial attributes the country does not yet have. I look at the German model for railways and it can work... but only with sound decision making and very serious investment in infrastructure, including trams. How is this going toe delivered whilst maintaining control of public spending? I do not want to see a return to the ridiculous note of "there is nothing left".... 8. Cut income and wealth inequality:
“We will build a progressive tax system so that wealth and the highest earners are fairly taxed, act against executive pay excess and shrink the gap between the highest and lowest paid – FTSE 100 CEOs are now paid 183 times the wage of the average UK worker, and Britain’s wages are the most unequal in Europe. We will act to create a more equal society, boost the incomes of the poorest and close the gender pay gap.There is a progressive tax system.... 20%, 40% for higher earners and 45% for over £150k. I take home less than people who earn far less than me.. is that fair? It is funny that he mentions executive pay, but not all executives are on the massive pay rates he surmises. It is no surprises that FTSE CEOs are paid so much, they are the head of an organisation that is in the FTSE100!!!!! We are not talking about bob and sues oatcake shop! We are talking about multi national, multi billion organisations. Furthermore, there are a large number of CEOs across the UK who are not huge paid and are massively underpaid against their US or MEAP equivalent... it is not just about London.....but lets not let facts get in the way of anything. The gender pay gap....... seriously?????? It has been proven in countless studies that have concluded that there is no longer an actual pay gap. Legally it is impossible to pay a man and a woman different rates of pay for the same work and for the same output. A worker, regardless of gender, is entitled to equal rates of pay. This fallacy has gone too far! It is true that on average that men are earning more as a "take home" amount, but people keep forgetting that on average men are working more hours to get this extra pay. Therefore, the gap is not actually there (in fact in the cases where it was investigated that men and women in the same role, with the same hours - women were now earning more than men). The real argument should be how we can ensure that women and men were able to have the same opportunities to work the same hours and how we can support these opportunities. 9. Action to secure an equal society:
“We will ensure that the human rights of all citizens are respected and all are protected from discrimination and prejudice. We will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith, and secure real equality for LGBT and disabled people.
“We will defend the Human Rights Act and we will guarantee full rights for EU citizens living and working in Britain – and not allow them to be used as pawns in Brexit negotiations.So in line with legislation already in place then? I.e the Equal Rights Act? Sigh...... and May has already stated that the Human Rights Act would be transferred into British Law.... furthermore David Davis has categorically stated that EU citizens (and Brits living in the EU... remember them Corbyn??) would not be up for discussion. 10. Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy:
“We will put conflict resolution and human rights at the heart of foreign policy, commit to working through the United Nations, end support for aggressive wars of intervention and back effective action to alleviate the refugee crisis. British foreign policy has long failed to be either truly independent or internationally co-operative, making the country less safe and reducing our diplomatic and moral authority.
“We will build human rights and social justice into trade policy, honour our international treaty obligations on nuclear disarmament and encourage others to do the same.”So we will continue what we are already doing? Apart from the nuclear question which is needed to be at the heart of the United Nations head. It is funny to say that British Foreign policy has long failed to be independent.... I won;t Mention Blair's record on Iraq shall we....and he still hasn't been prosecuted (after all that is what you would be calling for if it was Cameron!). His talk is ending support for aggressive wars of intervention smacks against his dealings with the IRA and other terrorist sympathising organisations.. but we will forget about those shall we?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 21, 2017 17:00:01 GMT
The votes from the Swindon jury are in
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 21, 2017 19:53:47 GMT
The votes from the Swindon jury are in I see the Tories are hoping under-age people will cast ballots? Isn't that illegal?
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 21, 2017 20:00:48 GMT
Truly, I think he'd make an excellent one - just nothing like the recent lot we've got used to. Principled, practical, consistent, not a self-publicist or any kind of narcissist or sociopath - the fact he's survived so long in front line politics with qualities like that is heroic actually, and tells you he's better equipped than most to see a thing through. Also we'll get McDonnell as the other half of the package and he'll be the best Chancellor for a generation.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 21, 2017 21:25:18 GMT
Truly, I think he'd make an excellent one - just nothing like the recent lot we've got used to. Principled, practical, consistent, not a self-publicist or any kind of narcissist or sociopath - the fact he's survived so long in front line politics with qualities like that is heroic actually, and tells you he's better equipped than most to see a thing through. Also we'll get McDonnell as the other half of the package and he'll be the best Chancellor for a generation. Sorry Sal couldn't get past Principled a man who openly campaigned against leaving the EU despite spending all his political career campaigning to leave it , mind you most of that time he was a backbencher, funny how a man's principals can change so radically in such a short space of time
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 21:33:38 GMT
Truly, I think he'd make an excellent one - just nothing like the recent lot we've got used to. Principled, practical, consistent, not a self-publicist or any kind of narcissist or sociopath - the fact he's survived so long in front line politics with qualities like that is heroic actually, and tells you he's better equipped than most to see a thing through. Also we'll get McDonnell as the other half of the package and he'll be the best Chancellor for a generation. Sorry Sal couldn't get past Principled a man who openly campaigned against leaving the EU despite spending all his political career campaigning to leave it , mind you most of that time he was a backbencher, funny how a man's principals can change so radically in such a short space of time More worryingly it's the thought of McDonnell as chancellor that disturbs me a madman if ever there was one ....and the man who is operating Corbyn's strings if the truth is to be told .
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Post by auntiegeorge on Apr 21, 2017 22:15:53 GMT
And Diane Abbott as Home Secretary.
No! No! No!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 22:19:45 GMT
Truly, I think he'd make an excellent one - just nothing like the recent lot we've got used to. Principled, practical, consistent, not a self-publicist or any kind of narcissist or sociopath - the fact he's survived so long in front line politics with qualities like that is heroic actually, and tells you he's better equipped than most to see a thing through. Also we'll get McDonnell as the other half of the package and he'll be the best Chancellor for a generation. The thing is Sal he may have been an MP for thirty odd years , but he's always been for the most an anonymous figure apart from his memorable moments of courting IRA frontmen in front of the camera .....no experience of being in government or as a member of a shadow cabinet , in fact he's always been on the outer regions of the Labour Party until recently ...by no stretch of the imagination can you say he has been involved in " front line " politics , " side line " yes , so what makes our think that he would be a success at being Prime Minister ? He can't even assemble a shadow cabinet of his own violation as none wanted to work with him .....not what you'd wish from a man hoping to form a government in a little over a month ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 22:20:23 GMT
And Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. No! No! No!
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 21, 2017 22:37:09 GMT
Sorry Sal couldn't get past Principled a man who openly campaigned against leaving the EU despite spending all his political career campaigning to leave it , mind you most of that time he was a backbencher, funny how a man's principals can change so radically in such a short space of time More worryingly it's the thought of McDonnell as chancellor that disturbs me a madman if ever there was one ....and the man who is operating Corbyn's strings if the truth is to be told . The Marxist brothers controlling our future, he isn't fit to run a farm let alone the economy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 22:42:40 GMT
More worryingly it's the thought of McDonnell as chancellor that disturbs me a madman if ever there was one ....and the man who is operating Corbyn's strings if the truth is to be told . The Marxist brothers controlling our future, he isn't fit to run a farm let alone the economy. If we were talking Marx Brothers it would be different .....Groucho would have made a great PM and Harpo a brilliant Chancellor with Chico as Home Secretary
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 22, 2017 8:00:48 GMT
Truly, I think he'd make an excellent one - just nothing like the recent lot we've got used to. Principled, practical, consistent, not a self-publicist or any kind of narcissist or sociopath - the fact he's survived so long in front line politics with qualities like that is heroic actually, and tells you he's better equipped than most to see a thing through. Also we'll get McDonnell as the other half of the package and he'll be the best Chancellor for a generation. Principled well if you ignore his support for the IRA, Hamas and all Practical well if you ignore his plan to spend billions on Trident that he says he'd never use just to keep his union pals jobs, see principled again. Consistent hmmm was it 3 or 4 statements to clarify that really tricky subject of whether he had a seat on a train. John McDonnell who called for IRA murderers to be honoured and whom the IRA negotiating team had to ask Blair to keep him quiet during the good Friday negotiations. Yeah he'd a great chancellor.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 22, 2017 8:06:23 GMT
Truly, I think he'd make an excellent one - just nothing like the recent lot we've got used to. Principled, practical, consistent, not a self-publicist or any kind of narcissist or sociopath - the fact he's survived so long in front line politics with qualities like that is heroic actually, and tells you he's better equipped than most to see a thing through. Also we'll get McDonnell as the other half of the package and he'll be the best Chancellor for a generation. Principled well if you ignore his support for the IRA, Hamas and all Practical well if you ignore his plan to spend billions on Trident that he says he'd never use just to keep his union pals jobs, see principled again. Consistent hmmm was it 3 or 4 statements to clarify that really tricky subject of whether he had a seat on a train. John McDonnell who called for IRA murderers to be honoured and whom the IRA negotiating team had to ask Blair to keep him quiet during the good Friday negotiations. Yeah he'd a great chancellor. Ive got principles & if yo don like them, I've got others
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Post by salopstick on Apr 22, 2017 8:18:35 GMT
It's still irelevant because he won't
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 8:37:28 GMT
Corbyn isn't great, but i suppose a party is not run by 1 person and there must be some very able politicians within labour. I shall keep telling myself this as education is something i vote for and i will listen to what changes Labour plan to make. I won't vote tory as something just doesn't feel right about them, i can't quite pinpoint what it is though. So it appears i will vote for Labour or no-one.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 22, 2017 13:14:54 GMT
Anyone who votes Tory does so either because they can afford it as you say Nick, or because they're thick and believe what the establishment tells them. Those two reasons cover all the Tories on here. In Bispham's case, you can add "boring nobhead" to the list of reasons too It's obviously still the school holidays ....the kids are on More name calling from the intelligent elite I'm glad you acknowledge that I'm the intelligent elite, bish. At least you're pragmatic And better to be a kid than a boring old fart
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 19:21:22 GMT
In all honesty I would make a better PM than Corbyn, but I'm not rich or squeaky clean. I couldn't afford to go to Uni and fly with the jet set. However after working on 9 pot banks as a castor/figure maker being a union man, an office manager and a head supervisor, married for 37 years with 2 children and 2 grandchildren I know more about the working class than Corbyn will ever know. How we end up with this shrimp faced lettuce of a man running anything more than a jumble sale for the WI is beyond me. Always in this country the WRONG person gets the job because the FIRST qualifications are money and privilege. This is why so many people are detached from politics because they share NOTHING with those who are leading the parties and those leaders will NEVER understand the lives that most people have to lead to survive. Even though we are probably on different sides of the fence, politically , respect your views, and believe you me Riv, even dyed in the wool Tories like me are far from happy....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 19:26:37 GMT
It's obviously still the school holidays ....the kids are on More name calling from the intelligent elite I'm glad you acknowledge that I'm the intelligent elite, bish. At least you're pragmatic And better to be a kid than a boring old fart I can assure you that you are well on the way son
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Post by manmarking on Apr 23, 2017 7:47:57 GMT
I'm glad you acknowledge that I'm the intelligent elite, bish. At least you're pragmatic And better to be a kid than a boring old fart I can assure you that you are well on the way son Well I can't be both, can I, you daft old bugger
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 23, 2017 8:24:51 GMT
I can assure you that you are well on the way son Well I can't be both, can I, you daft old bugger Just create yourself yet another username / personality and you're sorted
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Post by capto on Apr 23, 2017 8:33:19 GMT
Truly, I think he'd make an excellent one - just nothing like the recent lot we've got used to. Principled, practical, consistent, not a self-publicist or any kind of narcissist or sociopath - the fact he's survived so long in front line politics with qualities like that is heroic actually, and tells you he's better equipped than most to see a thing through. Also we'll get McDonnell as the other half of the package and he'll be the best Chancellor for a generation. Sorry Sal couldn't get past Principled a man who openly campaigned against leaving the EU despite spending all his political career campaigning to leave it , mind you most of that time he was a backbencher, funny how a man's principals can change so radically in such a short space of time And dismal may-pro eu then not- no election then ... You expecting consistency from a politician ? It's like waiting for words of wisdom from you.
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