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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 14:26:08 GMT
Regarding Chicken May's "moment" in Abingdon, here are the government's own estimates: "By the end of the period (October 2018 as currently planned), the Government estimates that 1.75 million DLA reassessments will have been processsed. 510,000 recipients are expected to get a higher award under PIP compared to their DLA claim. 270,000 will see no monetary difference. 510,000 will have a reduced payment and 450,000 will have their payments removed altogether." So, the 510,000 are receiving more at the expense of 510,000+450,000=960,000! Yes, the Tories introducing more income inequality for the disabled just as they have for everyone else in society! And the Tory Boys on here think they're the saviours of the working man? So 450,000 will have it removed all together, 510,000 receive more money. Isn't this just redistributing the pot more fairly? I'm surprised Nicholas isn't also quoting figures on the number of people with a disability in work and the way those numbers are going unlike him to give one side of the story.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 14:42:35 GMT
So 450,000 will have it removed all together, 510,000 receive more money. Isn't this just redistributing the pot more fairly? I'm surprised Nicholas isn't also quoting figures on the number of people with a disability in work and the way those numbers are going unlike him to give one side of the story. I'm distracted at the moment listening to Chicken May speak in S-o-T South. With a face like that going to 'Screwfix' seems the right place to go! ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif)
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 14:45:00 GMT
Just to remind voters of the Tories commitment to a "fairer Britain"[their words not mine!]: "David Cameron's father ran a network of offshore investment funds to help build the family fortune that paid for the prime minister's inheritance, the Guardian can reveal. Though entirely legal, the funds were set up in tax havens such as Panama City and Geneva, and explicitly boasted of their ability to remain outside UK tax jurisdiction. At the time of his death in late 2010, Ian Cameron left a fortune of £2.74m in his will, from which David Cameron received the sum of £300,000." Nice little earner! All I read there was "entirely legal".
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 14:51:31 GMT
So 450,000 will have it removed all together, 510,000 receive more money. Isn't this just redistributing the pot more fairly? No, because overall the disabled bill will fall. As everyone knows when government attempts to pick winners it introduces more unfairness not less. The criteria favour physical disability over mental disability. Nobody has ever explained why a very small proportion of the disabled should be unilaterally favoured over other groups of disabled people. Tories only think it is fairer because they like targeting even though this targeting is grossly unfair and attempts to create a winners and losers outcome which they seem to love? Just because the overall bill falls doesn't make it wrong. For me mental and physical diabilities should be seperate issues. Different needs different criteria. Different form different budget.
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 14:52:34 GMT
Just to remind voters of the Tories commitment to a "fairer Britain"[their words not mine!]: "David Cameron's father ran a network of offshore investment funds to help build the family fortune that paid for the prime minister's inheritance, the Guardian can reveal. Though entirely legal, the funds were set up in tax havens such as Panama City and Geneva, and explicitly boasted of their ability to remain outside UK tax jurisdiction. At the time of his death in late 2010, Ian Cameron left a fortune of £2.74m in his will, from which David Cameron received the sum of £300,000." Nice little earner! All I read there was "entirely legal". Its groundhog day with Nicholas, Gods put this link up on the original thread David Cameron left dangerously exposed by Panama fallout from over a year ago which basically nails all the guardian / canary conspiracy theories and lies that not surprisingly Nicholas is still spreading. I'm sure he won't understand this but it is funny as the presenters suddenly realise they're out of their depth and there is no wrongdoing. Another reminder of what a decent man Corbyn is to use someone's dead father not able to defend themselves to try and score political points www.facebook.com/rob1972/videos/10154110453578000/
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 14:53:16 GMT
I'm surprised Nicholas isn't also quoting figures on the number of people with a disability in work and the way those numbers are going unlike him to give one side of the story. I'm distracted at the moment listening to Chicken May speak in S-o-T South. With a face like that going to 'Screwfix' seems the right place to go! ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) I should have gone down and waved my union jack :-)
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 15:02:55 GMT
All I read there was "entirely legal". Its groundhog day with Nicholas, Gods put this link up on the original thread David Cameron left dangerously exposed by Panama fallout from over a year ago which basically nails all the guardian / canary conspiracy theories and lies that not surprisingly Nicholas is still spreading. I'm sure he won't understand this but it is funny as the presenters suddenly realise they're out of their depth and there is no wrongdoing. Another reminder of what a decent man Corbyn is to use someone's dead father not able to defend themselves to try and score political points www.facebook.com/rob1972/videos/10154110453578000/Tories arguing tax dodging is O.K.! Of course, it's always alright when Tories do it! Incidentally, talking of dead fathers didn't the Tory Daily Mail attack Ed Miliband's dead father? But, it's always alright when Tories do it!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 15:05:18 GMT
No, because overall the disabled bill will fall. As everyone knows when government attempts to pick winners it introduces more unfairness not less. The criteria favour physical disability over mental disability. Nobody has ever explained why a very small proportion of the disabled should be unilaterally favoured over other groups of disabled people. Tories only think it is fairer because they like targeting even though this targeting is grossly unfair and attempts to create a winners and losers outcome which they seem to love? Just because the overall bill falls doesn't make it wrong. For me mental and physical diabilities should be seperate issues. Different needs different criteria. Different form different budget. Listening to the disabled lady in Abingdon, she thinks it is wrong! There are tens of thousands of disabled people who agree with her?
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 15:23:43 GMT
Its groundhog day with Nicholas, Gods put this link up on the original thread David Cameron left dangerously exposed by Panama fallout from over a year ago which basically nails all the guardian / canary conspiracy theories and lies that not surprisingly Nicholas is still spreading. I'm sure he won't understand this but it is funny as the presenters suddenly realise they're out of their depth and there is no wrongdoing. Another reminder of what a decent man Corbyn is to use someone's dead father not able to defend themselves to try and score political points www.facebook.com/rob1972/videos/10154110453578000/Tories arguing tax dodging is O.K.! Of course, it's always alright when Tories do it! Incidentally, talking of dead fathers didn't the Tory Daily Mail attack Ed Miliband's dead father? But, it's always alright when Tories do it! You didn't watch the video or did you just not understand it ? Firstly it didn't dodge any tax, it was a hedge fund that uses investors money to make profits and pays all the profits out. The Daily Mail is nothing to do with me so another straw man argument, considering all Ed has done for the Conservative it's pretty despicable but I've never heard anyone say the Mail is a decent principled paper (although it's lone crusade to nail the Lawrence killers did deserve praise)
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 15:26:42 GMT
Tories arguing tax dodging is O.K.! Of course, it's always alright when Tories do it! Incidentally, talking of dead fathers didn't the Tory Daily Mail attack Ed Miliband's dead father? But, it's always alright when Tories do it! You didn't watch the video or did you just not understand it ? Firstly it didn't dodge any tax, it was a hedge fund that uses investors money to make profits and pays all the profits out. The Daily Mail is nothing to do with me so another straw man argument, considering all Ed has done for the Conservative it's pretty despicable but I've never heard anyone say the Mail is a decent principled paper (although it's lone crusade to nail the Lawrence killers did deserve praise) And avoided any U.K. tax jurisdiction. How convenient! Never ceases to amaze me how Tories such as yourself covered yourself in the white cloth of purity! "David Cameron has finally admitted he benefited from a Panama-based offshore trust set up by his late father. Analysis What David Cameron did and didn't say about his father's offshore trust The prime minister chose his response to reporter’s question about Blairmore Holdings very carefully – and he will probably get away with it Read more After three days of stalling and four partial statements issued by Downing Street he confessed that he owned shares in the tax haven fund, which he sold for £31,500 just before becoming prime minister in 2010. In a specially arranged interview with ITV News’ Robert Peston he confirmed a direct link to his father’s UK-tax avoiding fund, details of which were exposed in the Panama Papers revelations in the Guardian this week. Admitting it had been “a difficult few days”, the prime minister said he held the shares together with his wife, Samantha, from 1997 and during his time as leader of the opposition. They were sold in January 2010 for a profit of £19,000."
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 15:37:43 GMT
You didn't watch the video or did you just not understand it ? Firstly it didn't dodge any tax, it was a hedge fund that uses investors money to make profits and pays all the profits out. The Daily Mail is nothing to do with me so another straw man argument, considering all Ed has done for the Conservative it's pretty despicable but I've never heard anyone say the Mail is a decent principled paper (although it's lone crusade to nail the Lawrence killers did deserve praise) And avoided any U.K. tax jurisdiction. How convenient! Never ceases to amaze me how Tories such as yourself covered yourself in the white cloth of purity! Watch the video if you don't understand just ask but big shock for you companies not based in UK don't pay UK tax, it was a distributor fund that pays all it's profits out to the investors who pay tax and declare it on their personal tax forms. Not even tax efficient to quote the expert did you not understand that too ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 15:38:55 GMT
Well that's why Chicken May is out there :-) Real people. Real issues. Real solutions.
The local Conservative MP knew the woman. There is engagement in that community. A truer narrative to Momo's link from the Independent and your Abingdon "moment".
What if, and bear with me now, what if that woman didn't actually need all of the benefits she was receiving before? Her benefits are reduced and one of the 510,000 will receive more because they need more.
How about them apples?
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 15:39:09 GMT
You didn't watch the video or did you just not understand it ? Firstly it didn't dodge any tax, it was a hedge fund that uses investors money to make profits and pays all the profits out. The Daily Mail is nothing to do with me so another straw man argument, considering all Ed has done for the Conservative it's pretty despicable but I've never heard anyone say the Mail is a decent principled paper (although it's lone crusade to nail the Lawrence killers did deserve praise) And avoided any U.K. tax jurisdiction. How convenient! Never ceases to amaze me how Tories such as yourself covered yourself in the white cloth of purity! "David Cameron has finally admitted he benefited from a Panama-based offshore trust set up by his late father. Analysis What David Cameron did and didn't say about his father's offshore trust The prime minister chose his response to reporter’s question about Blairmore Holdings very carefully – and he will probably get away with it Read more After three days of stalling and four partial statements issued by Downing Street he confessed that he owned shares in the tax haven fund, which he sold for £31,500 just before becoming prime minister in 2010. In a specially arranged interview with ITV News’ Robert Peston he confirmed a direct link to his father’s UK-tax avoiding fund, details of which were exposed in the Panama Papers revelations in the Guardian this week. Admitting it had been “a difficult few days”, the prime minister said he held the shares together with his wife, Samantha, from 1997 and during his time as leader of the opposition. They were sold in January 2010 for a profit of £19,000." Still not watched the video?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 15:41:14 GMT
And avoided any U.K. tax jurisdiction. How convenient! Never ceases to amaze me how Tories such as yourself covered yourself in the white cloth of purity! Watch the video if you don't understand just ask but big shock for you companies not based in UK don't pay UK tax, it was a distributor fund that pays all it's profits out to the investors who pay tax and declare it on their personal tax forms. Not even tax efficient to quote the expert did you not understand that too ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) But took Cameron five gos before he made a proper statement! Hardly transparent, hardly trustworthy but predictably Tory!
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Post by josh on May 16, 2017 15:52:32 GMT
How many of those voters piloted the Referendum Bill through the HoC? NONE! Don't worry Cockers we'll bring a Strong and Stable Brexit for everyone ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) As the great Lady herself said; So that is what we will do. Not merely forming a new partnership with Europe, but building a stronger, fairer, more Global Britain too. And let that be the legacy of our time. The prize towards which we work. The destination at which we arrive once the negotiation is done. And let us do it not for ourselves, but for those who follow. For the country’s children and grandchildren too. So that when future generations look back at this time, they will judge us not only by the decision that we made, but by what we made of that decision. They will see that we shaped them a brighter future. They will know that we built them a better Britain.
Brings a tear to eye. Turning the country into a second rate Luxemburg is good for no one. It will happen under May. She has no idea what she is doing. Does anyone know what her 'plan' actually is? Apart from saying strong and stable and doing her freaky shoulder head bob laugh on the one show??
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Post by followyoudown on May 16, 2017 15:54:47 GMT
Watch the video if you don't understand just ask but big shock for you companies not based in UK don't pay UK tax, it was a distributor fund that pays all it's profits out to the investors who pay tax and declare it on their personal tax forms. Not even tax efficient to quote the expert did you not understand that too ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) But took Cameron five gos before he made a proper statement! Hardly transparent, hardly trustworthy but predictably Tory! Excellent we got there in the end, it would have been so much easier if you had watched the video straight away. So you claim of fraud was it an ickle lie by Nicholas ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 16, 2017 15:56:51 GMT
Well that's why Chicken May is out there :-) Real people. Real issues. Real solutions. The local Conservative MP knew the woman. There is engagement in that community. A truer narrative to Momo's link from the Independent and your Abingdon "moment". What if, and bear with me now, what if that woman didn't actually need all of the benefits she was receiving before? Her benefits are reduced and one of the 510,000 will receive more because they need more. How about them apples? She may need it, she may not. In truth we don't know. I can say with quite a bit of confidence though that she probably needs that money a lot more than the higher earners need the few grand they'll be losing under Labour's plans.
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 16:01:37 GMT
The Tories stage manage there press events (I have proof of this ) from Bolton and the John Major incident they notified from there battle bus all left wing groups including the Students Union, they then reduced security on him so he got jostled to get the headline they wanted for the papers, they have constantly used there money and the lack of money of other political parties, to constantly try and buy elections, they have used there near dominance of the press to gain free advertising, free publicity and dirty tricks. they on this election have held rallies in front of rent a conservative (small crowds and insisted that its filmed close up so you cant see that its only about 20 people to con the public. That is the conservative party!!
YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 16, 2017 16:04:07 GMT
But took Cameron five gos before he made a proper statement! Hardly transparent, hardly trustworthy but predictably Tory! Excellent we got there in the end, it would have been so much easier if you had watched the video straight away. So you claim of fraud was it an ickle lie by Nicholas ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) No! All Tories are fraudsters, some just don't get caught that's all! ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/wMWjB17JNiCK5pUPtfmL.gif)
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 16:10:56 GMT
Excellent we got there in the end, it would have been so much easier if you had watched the video straight away. So you claim of fraud was it an ickle lie by Nicholas ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) No! All Tories are fraudsters, some just don't get caught that's all! ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/wMWjB17JNiCK5pUPtfmL.gif) No Nicholas you missed the point the Tories lie cheat employ accountants on high wages to avoid paying there fare share of tax it may be legal but it is highly immoral and for too long the conservatives have turned a blind eye as long as they get there two millions in the conservative central coffers. YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!
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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2017 16:54:19 GMT
The Tories stage manage there press events (I have proof of this ) from Bolton and the John Major incident they notified from there battle bus all left wing groups including the Students Union, they then reduced security on him so he got jostled to get the headline they wanted for the papers, they have constantly used there money and the lack of money of other political parties, to constantly try and buy elections, they have used there near dominance of the press to gain free advertising, free publicity and dirty tricks. they on this election have held rallies in front of rent a conservative (small crowds and insisted that its filmed close up so you cant see that its only about 20 people to con the public. That is the conservative party!! YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!All press events are staged managed that's the whole point
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Post by harryburrows on May 16, 2017 17:08:07 GMT
No! All Tories are fraudsters, some just don't get caught that's all! ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/wMWjB17JNiCK5pUPtfmL.gif) No Nicholas you missed the point the Tories lie cheat employ accountants on high wages to avoid paying there fare share of tax it may be legal but it is highly immoral and for too long the conservatives have turned a blind eye as long as they get there two millions in the conservative central coffers. YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!Great , it shows they know how to run events such as this unlike labour who can't even organise a tea break
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Post by salopstick on May 16, 2017 17:43:25 GMT
Economist - blarting on about how bringing water back under public ownership would be a good thing
Sky presenter - Scottish water the only water company that stayed in state ownership missed out on a Scottish government contract
Economist - I didn't know that
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2017 17:50:51 GMT
Just because the overall bill falls doesn't make it wrong. For me mental and physical diabilities should be seperate issues. Different needs different criteria. Different form different budget. Listening to the disabled lady in Abingdon, she thinks it is wrong! There are tens of thousands of disabled people who agree with her? Best leave it mate, you're trying to convince working class tories and right wing nutjobs. Stupid doesn't even begin to describe some of their shite that I've read on here by them.
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 17:59:10 GMT
Sure ive just heard one of the advisers when the conservative government sold off the water admitting that the public were ripped off on the bbc news channel
YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 18:23:57 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2017 18:27:38 GMT
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_98M1OUMAAIC4E.jpg:large) all costed
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Post by robstokie on May 16, 2017 18:37:37 GMT
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_98M1OUMAAIC4E.jpg:large) all costed That's all well and good, until we are paying through the nose for Labour/Corbyns socialist utopia, where everything is owned by the state and people are paying for services such as trains not once, but twice. But it wont all fall apart for maybe a year or two, until individuals and companies with money finally decide to leave, losing revenue and jobs, thus creating more pressure on the state, who will then proceed to borrow more and more until we go bust. Socialism doesn't work people, it punishes those (particularly those from working class backgrounds who actually have a work ethic) who do well for themselves and allows the laziest and most feckless people to milk the system so they can afford their fags, booze and gadgets. If theres not enough money to buy food after spending all these essentials, they can cry poverty at the local food bank.
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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 18:39:21 GMT
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_98M1OUMAAIC4E.jpg:large) all costed And your point is 95% will not be effected by this only the richest 5% of the country just happens to be the tory supporting rich who have been let off with tax cuts over the last 7 years
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Post by harryburrows on May 16, 2017 18:41:32 GMT
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_98M1OUMAAIC4E.jpg:large) all costed That's all well and good, until we are paying through the nose for Labour/Corbyns socialist utopia, where everything is owned by the state and people are paying for services such as trains not once, but twice. But it wont all fall apart for maybe a year or two, until individuals and companies with money finally decide to leave, losing revenue and jobs, thus creating more pressure on the state, who will then proceed to borrow more and more until we go bust. Socialism doesn't work people, it punishes those (particularly those from working class backgrounds who actually have a work ethic) who do well for themselves and allows the laziest and most feckless people to milk the system so they can afford their fags, booze and gadgets. If theres not enough money to buy food after spending all these essentials, they can cry poverty at the local food bank. Well mate we've tried over the years ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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