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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 14, 2017 23:51:17 GMT
Not massive. I'd rather have Monk. The bloke who was sacked by a similar sized club than Leicester after a best 8th place finish you mean? See this manager knocking business is quite easy isn't it yeah. A bit of gallows humour on my part. I'm ok sticking. Monk is the next best 'almost' Welsh contender imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 7:26:49 GMT
Yeah I reckon there are. Shakespeare has proved nothing yet other than those players had stopped playing for their manager,the man who turned them into league champions and possibly their only ever glory in what will or has been the highest point in all their careers. However people dress it up he was the main reason they won the league. He signed Kante which turned them into a completely different side. Whether he would be the right fit for us or not is up for debate, my only issue is with folk who just write his input off in what was one of the most unbelievable stories in football ever. The manager carries the can when things don't go well, but similarly when things go well he has to take the credit as well. Ranieri isn't a bad manager, he can't be and I reckon there is a massive chance he could get a better tune out of this squad that Hughes has put together at the moment.
Good luck finding them chap.
Go ahead and peddle your rags to riches story and conveniently omit the bit on the other side ... you know, when the same (and that's the important bit) manager took the same team to the brink of a relegation battle, which would have happened if the board and the supporter base hadn't (pretty much in unison) decided it was time for him to go.
Just step back for a moment and ask yourself, just how bad it must have it really gotten for that decision (after winning the title against all the odds) to have been taken?
Same thing happened to Mourinho at Chelsea. In fact he had far better players at his disposal than Ranieri had. Is he a poor manager that we wouldn't have here?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 7:31:11 GMT
The bloke who was sacked by a similar sized club than Leicester after a best 8th place finish you mean? See this manager knocking business is quite easy isn't it yeah. A bit of gallows humour on my part. I'm ok sticking. Monk is the next best 'almost' Welsh contender imo. I know you are and I admire your loyalty to Hughes but he has to go at the end of the season and do I think Ranieri would get this team playing better football? Definitely. That doesn't mean he'd be my first choice but I have a problem with the lack of credit he's getting for achieving something that was thought impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 7:34:25 GMT
Ranieri's record; Cagliari - from Serie C1 to Serie A in successive seasons Napoli - qualified for UEFA Cup Fiorentina - first season promotion to Serie A, then won Coppa Italia and Supercoppa Italia Valencia - won Copa del Rey, UEFA Intertoto Cup and qualified for Champions' League, UEFA Super Cup winners Chelsea - Prem runners up, Champions' League semi-finalists. Club improved every season he was there Parma - saved club from almost certain relegation Monaco - promoted first season and finished runners up Ligue 1 in second season Juventus - immediately after promotion, took team to 3rd place in Serie A qualifying for Champions' League. Beat Real Madrid home and away in Champions' League. Roma - took over mid-season and went on a 24 game unbeaten run just missing out on winning Serie A Leicester - won Prem in first season. Champions' League run. That's not a shabby record and yet there are folk on here who think we can do better - unbelievable Geoff!! But apart from that, what has he ever done... Joking apart , I'd have him here in a heart beat...
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 15, 2017 7:38:40 GMT
Absolute bollox to be fair, Ranieri will not take another job in the U.K. I know this for a fact, the reason why it went so sour at Leicester this season is because he spent more time in Italy with his poorly mother than here in the U.K.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 15, 2017 8:13:49 GMT
Perhaps he would sign some lightning fast players and have us move the ball up the pitch more quickly. That would be nice.
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Post by bertjones on Apr 15, 2017 8:14:56 GMT
Last season yes but this season it didn't go well at all for him He's done more with Leicester than Mark Hughes will ever do in his career Absolute Rubbish!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2017 10:07:45 GMT
Good luck finding them chap.
Go ahead and peddle your rags to riches story and conveniently omit the bit on the other side ... you know, when the same (and that's the important bit) manager took the same team to the brink of a relegation battle, which would have happened if the board and the supporter base hadn't (pretty much in unison) decided it was time for him to go.
Just step back for a moment and ask yourself, just how bad it must have it really gotten for that decision (after winning the title against all the odds) to have been taken?
Same thing happened to Mourinho at Chelsea. In fact he had far better players at his disposal than Ranieri had. Is he a poor manager that we wouldn't have here? The same thing didn't happen with Mourinho at all, he was sacked because his club weren't happy that they were outside the Champions League spots. Ranieri was sacked because he was about to relegate the champions of England but you just want to sweep that little matter under the carpet.
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Post by thegift on Apr 15, 2017 10:54:25 GMT
He's done more with Leicester than Mark Hughes will ever do in his career Absolute Rubbish! Please explain how it's 'rubbish'
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Post by medwaypotter on Apr 15, 2017 11:10:05 GMT
Whatever Ranieri's previous record shows, there's a reason he went to a struggling Leicester as manager. No thanks.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 15, 2017 11:15:11 GMT
He's done more with Leicester than Mark Hughes will ever do in his career Absolute Rubbish! Do you think Hughes will win the league one day then, as a manager?
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Post by colinroberts1 on Apr 15, 2017 11:21:43 GMT
Please explain how it's 'rubbish' Think ya missed out managerial
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 15, 2017 12:33:12 GMT
Do you think Hughes will win the league one day then, as a manager? yes given time and money. if its with us we are up against it as we don't attract the very big players as we have to build a reputation at the moment we are on the edge of European football when all players are fit, we are moving forward with the stadium the under 23's and youth time we are building the reputation just read the article on Julien Ngoy and Thibaud Verlinden to see our growing reputation as a good family club if this continues well get the players to improve the squad that we are all looking too.
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Post by thegift on Apr 15, 2017 12:35:36 GMT
Do you think Hughes will win the league one day then, as a manager? yes given time and money. if its with us we are up against it as we don't attract the very big players as we have to build a reputation at the moment we are on the edge of European football when all players are fit, we are moving forward with the stadium the under 23's and you th time we are building the reputation just read the article on Julien Ngoy and Thibaud Verlinden to see our growing reputation as a good family club if this continues well get the players to improve the squad that we are all looking too. So judged on what he's spent at stoke and the flops that have come with it you reckon to give the guy more money? And you really think he's going to win the league? Fucking jesus wept
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 15, 2017 12:40:32 GMT
Do you think Hughes will win the league one day then, as a manager? yes given time and money. if its with us we are up against it as we don't attract the very big players as we have to build a reputation at the moment we are on the edge of European football when all players are fit, we are moving forward with the stadium the under 23's and youth time we are building the reputation just read the article on Julien Ngoy and Thibaud Verlinden to see our growing reputation as a good family club if this continues well get the players to improve the squad that we are all looking too. Personally I don't think he's a good enough manager, his subs are bizarre and have been since he's been with us, if he sorts that out he could get a team with a chance but I just don't see it happening. I agree our club is looking good overall but, for now, to move on we need someone else who can get the best out of the players we have, and use the youngsters rather than just when there's a bit of an injury crisis.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Apr 15, 2017 12:42:08 GMT
Initially I was underwhelmed at Hughes appointment and thought we were gambling a lot on just a couple of places in the league as the upside. However, I was wrong. Hughes has brought players in that Pulis never could have and has shown us some performances I never thought I would ever see. Three 9th place finishes as well. He is our boss and I recommend we back him, have a review at the end of the season (not now) and calmly let him and Peter Coates work out the art of the possible for next season. Time to get behind, and stay behind the team including the manager, right now.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 15, 2017 12:46:37 GMT
You would have to describe, MH's time here as OK, some highlights and a lot of frustrations, especially the crap starts to every season. But not been bad enough to get the sack. I would say carry on, but not with a lot of enthusiasm.
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Post by songthrush01 on Apr 15, 2017 12:47:46 GMT
Do you think Hughes will win the league one day then, as a manager? yes given time and money. if its with us we are up against it as we don't attract the very big players as we have to build a reputation at the moment we are on the edge of European football when all players are fit, we are moving forward with the stadium the under 23's and youth time we are building the reputation just read the article on Julien Ngoy and Thibaud Verlinden to see our growing reputation as a good family club if this continues well get the players to improve the squad that we are all looking too. mate mark hughes will win nothing in his whole career as a manager.
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Post by samwidge on Apr 15, 2017 13:03:07 GMT
Initially I was underwhelmed at Hughes appointment and thought we were gambling a lot on just a couple of places in the league as the upside. However, I was wrong. Hughes has brought players in that Pulis never could have and has shown us some performances I never thought I would ever see. Three 9th place finishes as well. He is our boss and I recommend we back him, have a review at the end of the season (not now) and calmly let him and Peter Coates work out the art of the possible for next season. Time to get behind, and stay behind the team including the manager, right now. Well said Glory hunter . He's had a very poor season and a half ( some of which was beyond his control , in the injury to Butland ) . But he's still got some credit in the bank for me. Not a lot, but some. Maybe a new defense and set piece coach/coaches could freshen things up a tad ?
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Post by magwitch on Apr 15, 2017 13:06:57 GMT
I don't think Mark Hughes has it in him to win the League or the FA Cup, and I shall be surprised if he collects all three points from Hull today. Hope I'm wrong though. A further interesting fact is that Gary Rowett is now the most successful manager in the history of Derby County, based on the first four games, having collected 10 out of 12 points. Next come a number of previous managers on 9 points, including Brian Clough.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 15, 2017 13:24:04 GMT
yes given time and money. if its with us we are up against it as we don't attract the very big players as we have to build a reputation at the moment we are on the edge of European football when all players are fit, we are moving forward with the stadium the under 23's and you th time we are building the reputation just read the article on Julien Ngoy and Thibaud Verlinden to see our growing reputation as a good family club if this continues well get the players to improve the squad that we are all looking too. So judged on what he's spent at stoke and the flops that have come with it you reckon to give the guy more money? And you really think he's going to win the league? Fucking jesus wept Wilfried Bony Player who would not be with us if we got our first choice striker was a £28 million player but acts like a school kid and has shown no where any way near any goal scoring form Imbula failure but all must take blame on this from the scouts to the transfer team and the player himself Not failuresRamadan Sobhi - not a failure Joe Allen - not a failure Lee Grant -not a failure Bruno Martins Indi- not a failure Bojan - Before injury not a failure Glen Johnson - when not injured not a failure Ibrahim Afellay -when not injured not a failure Xherdan Shaqiri -when not injured not a failure Phil Bardsley -when not injured not a failure Victor Moses -not a failure Erik Pieters -not a failure Marc Muniesa -not a failure Marko Arnautovic -not a failure Peter Odemwingie -not a failure Saido Berahino - Cant judge yet Mame Biram Diouf not sure on this one considering he was a free Not made it but low transfer valuePhilipp Wollscheid - undisclosed Jakob Haugaard - undisclosed Joselu - didn't make it for us Shay Given - free backup So bearing these in mind has hughes had a bad transfer record ??
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Post by thegift on Apr 15, 2017 14:08:13 GMT
So judged on what he's spent at stoke and the flops that have come with it you reckon to give the guy more money? And you really think he's going to win the league? Fucking jesus wept Wilfried Bony Player who would not be with us if we got our first choice striker was a £28 million player but acts like a school kid and has shown no where any way near any goal scoring form Imbula failure but all must take blame on this from the scouts to the transfer team and the player himself Not failuresRamadan Sobhi - not a failure Joe Allen - not a failure Lee Grant -not a failure Bruno Martins Indi- not a failure Bojan - Before injury not a failure Glen Johnson - when not injured not a failure Ibrahim Afellay -when not injured not a failure Xherdan Shaqiri -when not injured not a failure Phil Bardsley -when not injured not a failure Victor Moses -not a failure Erik Pieters -not a failure Marc Muniesa -not a failure Marko Arnautovic -not a failure Peter Odemwingie -not a failure Saido Berahino - Cant judge yet Mame Biram Diouf not sure on this one considering he was a free Not made it but low transfer valuePhilipp Wollscheid - undisclosed Jakob Haugaard - undisclosed Joselu - didn't make it for us Shay Given - free backup So bearing these in mind has hughes had a bad transfer record ?? You don't know how Bony is acting. Only the team know that, talking bollocks. Berahino is simply not good enough at the moment, hughes decided he wanted him and now can't play to suit him. Talking bollocks again Wollscheid - Wank. Joselu, scoring for desportivo, but couldnt even get in our team - wank from hughes again Muniesa has been a good buy but hughes hardly plays him - Wank from hughes Ramadan has a really good spell and hughes drops him - WANK Bojan - sent on loan and hughes now wish he hasn't done it - WANK Shaqiri - always injured. Hughes knew this before buying him Johnson - absolutely wank, wank buy. Haugaard - wank. Its funny how all your points are trying to support mark hughes in any way possible, narrow minded at its best.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 15, 2017 14:36:27 GMT
The gift thats good coming from you and all the other Hughes haters who seem to be against Hughes you misquote facts to suit your own aims even in your own reply to me you contradict what has been said on players.
players get injured yes then they have to prove themselves and if not up to it then you either send them on loan or get rid. we have players that have left us that cant hack the pace of the prem league all teams have them and yes they have gone to leagues where they are more suited is that the manager or the players fault!! or neither!!
you say that Hughes said he wouldn't have sent Bojan on loan that's in response to him not getting game time and getting him back to the player he was before the injury
You are twisting facts to suit your own narrow minded agenda like others, is that because you want tony back!!!
You say Johnson is crap this is the same Johnson that was being tipped for an England Recall a few times while playing for us and
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Post by thegift on Apr 15, 2017 14:48:56 GMT
The gift thats good coming from you and all the other Hughes haters who seem to be against Hughes you misquote facts to suit your own aims even in your own reply to me you contradict what has been said on players. players get injured yes then they have to prove themselves and if not up to it then you either send them on loan or get rid. we have players that have left us that cant hack the pace of the prem league all teams have them and yes they have gone to leagues where they are more suited is that the manager or the players fault!! or neither!! you say that Hughes said he wouldn't have sent Bojan on loan that's in response to him not getting game time and getting him back to the player he was before the injury You are twisting facts to suit your own narrow minded agenda like others, is that because you want tony back!!! You say Johnson is crap this is the same Johnson that was being tipped for an England Recall a few times while playing for us and TP has also done more than mark hughes ever will.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 15, 2017 14:56:00 GMT
The gift thats good coming from you and all the other Hughes haters who seem to be against Hughes you misquote facts to suit your own aims even in your own reply to me you contradict what has been said on players. players get injured yes then they have to prove themselves and if not up to it then you either send them on loan or get rid. we have players that have left us that cant hack the pace of the prem league all teams have them and yes they have gone to leagues where they are more suited is that the manager or the players fault!! or neither!! you say that Hughes said he wouldn't have sent Bojan on loan that's in response to him not getting game time and getting him back to the player he was before the injury You are twisting facts to suit your own narrow minded agenda like others, is that because you want tony back!!! You say Johnson is crap this is the same Johnson that was being tipped for an England Recall a few times while playing for us and TP has also done more than mark hughes ever will. What a load of bull, you like hoof ball then and an academy that players never get in the first team and old British players are bought at over inflated prices. that's what you get with TP now explains your football intellect or lack of it go back to commentating on something that you might have some knowledge about
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Post by thegift on Apr 15, 2017 15:34:00 GMT
TP has also done more than mark hughes ever will. What a load of bull, you like hoof ball then and an academy that players never get in the first team and old British players are bought at over inflated prices. that's what you get with TP now explains your football intellect or lack of it go back to commentating on something that you might have some knowledge about Yes you're right, the man that got us to an FA cup final, got us to the premier league and also in Europe. MORON
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 15, 2017 15:57:42 GMT
What a load of bull, you like hoof ball then and an academy that players never get in the first team and old British players are bought at over inflated prices. that's what you get with TP now explains your football intellect or lack of it go back to commentating on something that you might have some knowledge about Yes you're right, the man that got us to an FA cup final, got us to the premier league and also in Europe. MORON that's good coming from you dim witted imbecile go crawl under which ever rock you've crawled from if your going to quote facts then use one that counts has TP managed a national team, or 1 of the big boys no why not because his football bores you to sleep
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Post by gibby1409 on Apr 15, 2017 16:22:08 GMT
I've not read through the whole thread, cos I'm pretty clear on this on. It would be an absolutely unmitigated fucking disaster! Nothing I can add to that 😉
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 15, 2017 20:42:27 GMT
From the same source that gave word of the Bojan loan to Mainz a few days before it broke, apparently the board have already sounded out Claudio Ranieri about taking over in the summer. Make of it what you will, he achieved a miracle at Leicester last season but whilst I want Mark Hughes gone in the summer, Ranieri would not be my choice. We need a younger, up and coming manager who is adapting and learning the modern game. The likes of Rowett, Jokanovic, Silva, Wagner, Marcelino etc Strange that you didn't mention it at the time ... there doesn't appear to be any record of this in your posting history? The info was passed on to SL&P and they published the story. The source is an agent, who told us re Bojan that he had approached the club with two offers from foreign clubs, but was told that a deal with a European club had already been made.
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Post by thegift on Apr 15, 2017 20:44:07 GMT
Strange that you didn't mention it at the time ... there doesn't appear to be any record of this in your posting history? The info was passed on to SL&P and they published the story. The source is an agent, who told us re Bojan that he had approached the club with two offers from foreign clubs, but was told that a deal with a European club had already been made. Who's the Source? Someone who works at the club?
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