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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 12:00:15 GMT
Decent going is that. Marketed properly no reason why the new corner won't be filled with season ticket sales and another corner is being talked about in 18 months time. For all the talk of johnny come latelies, Conference club off the field, we're going backwards on the pitch etc etc it is clear that we are a club that could go places in the next few years on and off the pitch if everyone pulls in the right direction. Good times ahead folks..... SOLD OUT |
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Post by Gods on Mar 27, 2017 12:09:44 GMT
Good news but it should perhaps be tempered by the fact that we took no meaningful part in either cup competition thus restricting the choice of home games for the 'pay-on-the-gaters' to select to some kind of all time low I think I read.
So if you compare the total number of fans at the Bet365 to say the 2011/12 season where we had 2 League Cup ties against Spurs and Liverpool and 5 Europa League games all with 20,000 + gates then this seasons grand total would be a fair wedge lower.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 27, 2017 12:21:12 GMT
Very healthy
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 27, 2017 12:28:41 GMT
Filling the new corner with season tickets doesn't solve the problem we currently have whereby groups of friends can't get tickets together. We desperately need a section of the ground where new/casual/teenagers/early 20s can group together as & when they can afford/get time off/etc...
Way too much of our ground is taken up by the same people each match/season.
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Mar 27, 2017 12:31:29 GMT
Way too much of our ground is taken up by the same people each match/season. Easy solution. Scrap season tickets. Think about that sentence, and come back with a logical one. F**K me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 12:36:18 GMT
Filling the new corner with season tickets doesn't solve the problem we currently have whereby groups of friends can't get tickets together. We desperately need a section of the ground where new/casual/teenagers/early 20s can group together as & when they can afford/get time off/etc... Way too much of our ground is taken up by the same people each match/season. I agree to be fair. Said this many times I would offer 3/6/9 match tickets for those who can't commit to every game. I personally would by 3 x 6 match tickets tomorrow as would my mates around me as we all now have kids that are pestering us to come week in week out (don't particularly want to sit in the Family Stand but there's no seats together even if we did). Ultimately unless the club bring in the type of software that cinema companies and the like use to so they can "manage" single seats more efficiently it will always be an issue.... |
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Post by Gods on Mar 27, 2017 12:47:01 GMT
Filling the new corner with season tickets doesn't solve the problem we currently have whereby groups of friends can't get tickets together. We desperately need a section of the ground where new/casual/teenagers/early 20s can group together as & when they can afford/get time off/etc... Way too much of our ground is taken up by the same people each match/season. I agree. I'll get lampooned for this put I'm uncomfortable with the discrepancy between the price per match paid by season ticket holders and pay-on-the-day fans. Be interesting to know how much the relative cost of each has changed over 10 years. I am a pay-on-the-dayer so I admit I have a horse in this race but I can afford it, but I think the cost is prohibitive to many. It seems increasingly that only season ticket holders matter. But pay-on-the-dayers can become season ticket holders, we can't just have the same people wearing out the seats and all growing old together, and it might help to get some atmosphere back. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 12:53:52 GMT
Filling the new corner with season tickets doesn't solve the problem we currently have whereby groups of friends can't get tickets together. We desperately need a section of the ground where new/casual/teenagers/early 20s can group together as & when they can afford/get time off/etc... Way too much of our ground is taken up by the same people each match/season. I agree. I'll get lampooned for this put I'm uncomfortable with the discrepancy between the price per match paid by season ticket holders and pay-on-the-day fans. Be interesting to know how much the relative cost of each has changed over 10 years. I am a pay-on-the-dayer so I admit I have a horse in this race but I can afford it, but I think the cost is prohibitive to many. It seems increasingly that only season ticket holders matter. But pay-on-the-dayers can become season ticket holders, we can't just have the same people wearing out the seats and all growing old together, and it might help to get some atmosphere back. So how do the club address this then? Is it say an 80% lottery chance of being able to keep season ticket, or a free for all on day 1 of sales for anybody; resulting in those who have been for many years missing out? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 13:34:25 GMT
If I want to get my lad going to the game, right now I'd need to give up my Premium Seat and go on sit on one of the first two rows of the Boothen (i.e. the worst seats in the house).
I'm hoping something comes up around seat swaps.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 27, 2017 13:43:02 GMT
If I want to get my lad going to the game, right now I'd need to give up my Premium Seat and go on sit on one of the first two rows of the Boothen (i.e. the worst seats in the house). I'm hoping something comes up around seat swaps. How old is your lad? It's really annoying isn't it? My lad had a season ticket 2 blocks away from us before eventually, at seat swap time, the seat next to us became available for this season. We used to squeeze up or he'd sit on my knee. We have now have 7 seats in the Seddon/Sentinel/DPD stand, in Block 30 on rows 23 and 24. We all have kids, some of us more than 1 and are desperate for more seats around us. We've got our eye on a couple of people who might die soon!  |
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 27, 2017 13:46:49 GMT
Filling the new corner with season tickets doesn't solve the problem we currently have whereby groups of friends can't get tickets together. We desperately need a section of the ground where new/casual/teenagers/early 20s can group together as & when they can afford/get time off/etc... Way too much of our ground is taken up by the same people each match/season. I remember when Fulham were in the prem they had a neutral end next to the away end where anyone could buy a seat for the odd game ... home fans or away fans . It might sound a bit weird but it worked well at Fulham ( which is not to say it would work at Millwall or even Stoke ) I bought tickets for it myself , when the away end was sold out for Fulham v Stoke ( if you were a group of 3 which we were) And I enjoyed it ...wasn't actually as good as being in the stoke end , but you could relax and cheer your team on and buy blocks of tickets on the day .
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Post by deliasmith on Mar 27, 2017 14:17:18 GMT
Dead right. Season tickets are a bane. They're a big part of the corruption of the game into a state where you are expected to prove your commitment by perpetually spending money - replica kit, "merchandise". It was much healthier when it was understood that the supporters came along if there was something worth watching: good football and/or a home win.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 15:09:30 GMT
Dead right. Season tickets are a bane. They're a big part of the corruption of the game into a state where you are expected to prove your commitment by perpetually spending money - replica kit, "merchandise". It was much healthier when it was understood that the supporters came along if there was something worth watching: good football and/or a home win. So true. Modern football is just marketing and passive, supine, supporters. |
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Post by werrington on Mar 27, 2017 15:13:19 GMT
Dead right. Season tickets are a bane. They're a big part of the corruption of the game into a state where you are expected to prove your commitment by perpetually spending money - replica kit, "merchandise". It was much healthier when it was understood that the supporters came along if there was something worth watching: good football and/or a home win. I've had a season ticket since 1974 and often had replica kits and merchandise back then as a kid It's no different today as it was back then |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 27, 2017 16:27:27 GMT
Dead right. Season tickets are a bane. They're a big part of the corruption of the game into a state where you are expected to prove your commitment by perpetually spending money - replica kit, "merchandise". It was much healthier when it was understood that the supporters came along if there was something worth watching: good football and/or a home win. I've had a season ticket since 1974 and often had replica kits and merchandise back then as a kid It's no different today as it was back then I think there may be a,"woosh" coming for you wezza  |
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Post by bolly_premprem on Mar 27, 2017 16:56:03 GMT
probably way to simple an answer but
have the new corner stand pay on the day only, leave the rest as it is therefore, no impact on current season ticket holders and (1500, is that what i read the corner will add somwhere) more chances to get a ticket on the day for those who want to go, but cant commit to a full season ticket
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Post by JetBlack on Mar 27, 2017 18:06:35 GMT
It could make more sense to make the new seats into the family area. It's possibly the only place at the ground that has a guaranteed rotation regarding renewable seating. If this happened it could, potentially, release up to 1,800 new seats that could become pay on the day, or, better than that, an experimental area for the safe standing idea. Standing supporters take up less room than people sitting down after all..
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Mar 27, 2017 18:35:43 GMT
Good news but it should perhaps be tempered by the fact that we took no meaningful part in either cup competition thus restricting the choice of home games for the 'pay-on-the-gaters' to select to some kind of all time low I think I read. So if you compare the total number of fans at the Bet365 to say the 2011/12 season where we had 2 League Cup ties against Spurs and Liverpool and 5 Europa League games all with 20,000 + gates then this seasons grand total would be a fair wedge lower. Congratulations thats the quickest ive ever seen a positive turned into a negative.  |
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Post by simple on Mar 27, 2017 18:55:07 GMT
If season tickets were scrapped or cut to 50% of the total capacity,crowds would drop.There are plenty who turn up certain games because they have already paid.If these people did not buy a season ticket we would only sell out against the bigger clubs.The club has said it's a sell out that includes the 1000 tickets the community program give away.There will still be plenty of empty seats ,due to season ticket holders not bothering.It must be frustrating for supporters who are told it's sold out but see loads of empty seats on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 19:01:21 GMT
If season tickets were scrapped or cut to 50% of the total capacity,crowds would drop.There are plenty who turn up certain games because they have already paid.If these people did not buy a season ticket we would only sell out against the bigger clubs.The club has said it's a sell out that includes the 1000 tickets the community program give away.There will still be plenty of empty seats ,due to season ticket holders not bothering.It must be frustrating for supporters who are told it's sold out but see loads of empty seats on TV. 1,000 tickets is a myth. A few hundred most weeks that's from Josh Whittaker-Vyse himself.... |
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Post by Gods on Mar 27, 2017 19:03:19 GMT
Good news but it should perhaps be tempered by the fact that we took no meaningful part in either cup competition thus restricting the choice of home games for the 'pay-on-the-gaters' to select to some kind of all time low I think I read. So if you compare the total number of fans at the Bet365 to say the 2011/12 season where we had 2 League Cup ties against Spurs and Liverpool and 5 Europa League games all with 20,000 + gates then this seasons grand total would be a fair wedge lower. Congratulations thats the quickest ive ever seen a positive turned into a negative. Yes, I don't muck about, I can find trouble in the very air we breathe  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 19:38:02 GMT
If I want to get my lad going to the game, right now I'd need to give up my Premium Seat and go on sit on one of the first two rows of the Boothen (i.e. the worst seats in the house). I'm hoping something comes up around seat swaps. How old is your lad? It's really annoying isn't it? My lad had a season ticket 2 blocks away from us before eventually, at seat swap time, the seat next to us became available for this season. We used to squeeze up or he'd sit on my knee. We have now have 7 seats in the Seddon/Sentinel/DPD stand, in Block 30 on rows 23 and 24. We all have kids, some of us more than 1 and are desperate for more seats around us. We've got our eye on a couple of people who might die soon! He's 12 Dave and has been showing an interest over the last couple of years, I want to get him going down there before he moves onto something else. It's sad in a way, that we've reached a point where we are really struggling to get more people access to games (especially the 'next generation'). I'm no expert when it comes to things like this, but I suspect that some theory, somewhere, says that our 97% saturation isn't really ideal... Like you, I'm hoping that a seat comes up nearby (I'll move, but don't want to give up one of the best seats in the ground for one of the worst)..there are some up by us that seem a little 'floaty' so it'll be interesting to see whether they renew. |
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Post by block23 on Mar 27, 2017 20:50:11 GMT
Trying to work out if this thread has turned into a piss take or is serious?😳
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 27, 2017 21:11:08 GMT
The issue of how to blood in new fans is one of the biggest issues that all seater stadiums face. In the past with terracing new fans could stand together, dads could bring their kids along and stand together with no problem. There was a natural fluid progression, dads with kids generally used to stand towards the front where it was less crowded. As the kids got older you moved up towards the middle and new young kids would replace you at the front. As the kids became teenagers they'd move to the back to stand and sing with their mates, then when they grew up and had kids of their own they'd be back towards the front again and the cycle continued. Also older fans tended to migrate from the terraces to the seated areas as standing for long periods became harder work again leaving space for younger fans to back fill behind them.
With all seating and high season ticket numbers there isn't any fluidity. Long term season ticket holders hang onto their seats for decades (I've had mine since the stadium opened in 1997) and new fans struggle to get seats together in decent areas with little prospect of decent seating opening up in the future. Dads with kids are faced with the difficult dilemma of taking their kids and having to give up their hard won decent seat higher up in the stands with little prospect of getting it back again. Or not taking their kids at all and holding onto their seat. The natural progression and rotation around the stadium as your life grows and changes through the years no longer happens which also affects the atmosphere as younger fans who want to sing aren't able to group together as they could in the past because there are clumps of older fans stuck in between them.
Hopefully the new corner will help to alleviate these problems although I suspect it'll only be a temporary respite until all the decent seats are once again snapped up by season ticket holders and occasional fans or people who want to introduce their kids to Stoke are once again left scrabbling round for the few remaining seats together usually in row 1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 21:30:26 GMT
Trying to work out if this thread has turned into a piss take or is serious?😳 Which bit? |
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Post by lordb on Mar 27, 2017 21:37:20 GMT
The issue of how to blood in new fans is one of the biggest issues that all seater stadiums face. In the past with terracing new fans could stand together, dads could bring their kids along and stand together with no problem. There was a natural fluid progression, dads with kids generally used to stand towards the front where it was less crowded. As the kids got older you moved up towards the middle and new young kids would replace you at the front. As the kids became teenagers they'd move to the back to stand and sing with their mates, then when they grew up and had kids of their own they'd be back towards the front again and the cycle continued. Also older fans tended to migrate from the terraces to the seated areas as standing for long periods became harder work again leaving space for younger fans to back fill behind them. With all seating and high season ticket numbers there isn't any fluidity. Long term season ticket holders hang onto their seats for decades (I've had mine since the stadium opened in 1997) and new fans struggle to get seats together in decent areas with little prospect of decent seating opening up in the future. Dads with kids are faced with the difficult dilemma of taking their kids and having to give up their hard won decent seat higher up in the stands with little prospect of getting it back again. Or not taking their kids at all and holding onto their seat. The natural progression and rotation around the stadium as your life grows and changes through the years no longer happens which also affects the atmosphere as younger fans who want to sing aren't able to group together as they could in the past because there are clumps of older fans stuck in between them. Hopefully the new corner will help to alleviate these problems although I suspect it'll only be a temporary respite until all the decent seats are once again snapped up by season ticket holders and occasional fans or people who want to introduce their kids to Stoke are once again left scrabbling round for the few remaining seats together usually in row 1. Other than large terraces returning (and the cheap prices) the answer to this dilemma is to have a significantly bigger capacity. However that would/could mean lots of empty seats for some games which apparently would be a very bad thing indeed. Personally I think there is a balance to be struck. At the moment there is an obsession with having every ground absolutely full for every game. |
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Post by Royal Donut on Mar 27, 2017 21:39:04 GMT
It could make more sense to make the new seats into the family area. It's possibly the only place at the ground that has a guaranteed rotation regarding renewable seating. If this happened it could, potentially, release up to 1,800 new seats that could become pay on the day, or, better than that, an experimental area for the safe standing idea. Standing supporters take up less room than people sitting down after all.. Safe standing takes up the same as seating. |
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 27, 2017 21:41:34 GMT
We had a works meeting at the stadium last week and went on a tour of the ground. The guy showing us around confirmed that the new corner will be used as an extension of the family stand. Bewildering decision if true considering the amount of empty seats over there most weeks.
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Post by bozlemandy on Mar 27, 2017 21:47:31 GMT
Dead right. Season tickets are a bane. They're a big part of the corruption of the game into a state where you are expected to prove your commitment by perpetually spending money - replica kit, "merchandise". It was much healthier when it was understood that the supporters came along if there was something worth watching: good football and/or a home win. So true. Modern football is just marketing and passive, supine, supporters. |
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Post by block23 on Mar 27, 2017 21:47:58 GMT
Trying to work out if this thread has turned into a piss take or is serious?😳 Which bit? The comments about too many season ticket holders being a bad thing. I understand the frustrations raised, and difficulties people have in getting tickets, either match day or season tickets together. I also get it that people think the club should do more or be more creative. However, having had a ST every year bar two since 1973', and being one of the 6 / 7 thousand ST holders for much of that time, with constant moans among fans of why we have so few ST holders, I find this a bit odd. The club has being trying to lift ST sales since as long as I can remember, and overall this has to be a very positive period? Turning this into a negative is, I think, odd. (PS, I am not trying to be a smart arse or elitist, or anything like that) |
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