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Post by essexstokey on Mar 22, 2017 19:30:30 GMT
off bbc website
The head of European football wants to change the transfer system to stop big clubs "hoarding" the best players.
Aleksander Ceferin, president of European football's governing body Uefa, says a "luxury tax" on rich clubs and squad limits could also help to stop elite clubs dominating the game.
He said the "excessive concentration of talent with a few teams" had to change.
"Uefa has a duty to protect the whole of football and not just the elite," Ceferin told a conference in Lisbon.
The Slovenian lawyer, who was elected to the role last September, told a conference in Lisbon that Uefa needed to address a "decrease in competitive balance" within European club football.
"We need to assess whether the transfer market is the best we can do," he said.
"We cannot be afraid to touch it. We do have to examine new mechanisms like luxury taxes and in particular sporting criteria like squad limitations and fair transfer rules, to avoid player hoarding."
He did not give any further details on what he meant by luxury taxes or fair transfer rules, but added that Uefa could work with global governing body Fifa to make changes to the transfer market - or do so via its own licensing regulations.
Some of Europe's smaller leagues have complained about big teams signing up their best players at a young age, only to immediately send them on loan elsewhere.
In the Premier League, Chelsea had more than 30 players out on loan earlier this season, while in Italy champions Juventus have more than 50 players loaned out.
Ceferin also said Uefa would set up a new division entitled "Protection of the Game" to tackle doping, corruption, violence and match-fixing.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 22, 2017 19:48:26 GMT
Sounds like a good idea but the "big" clubs will put a block on it.
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Post by cmc89 on Mar 22, 2017 20:04:06 GMT
they'll find a way around all the rules mate
what ever happened to QPR breaking the championship financial fair play rules?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 20:51:31 GMT
At least he's trying to start something. It should have been done years ago. Well done to him. I sincerely hope that he has some success with this train of thought!
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Post by nonameface on Mar 22, 2017 22:18:25 GMT
Would be fantastic.
Id rather skip out the taxes,just put a block on sizes of players owned... simples. It'll bring prices down for players/wages and enhance competition.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Mar 22, 2017 22:31:00 GMT
Would be fantastic. Id rather skip out the taxes,just put a block on sizes of players owned... simples. It'll bring prices down for players/wages and enhance competition. York would struggle with Parkin then😊
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 23, 2017 7:48:31 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39355514Aleksander Ceferin, president of European football's governing body Uefa, says a "luxury tax" on rich clubs and squad limits could also help to stop elite clubs dominating the game. He said the "excessive concentration of talent with a few teams" had to change. "Uefa has a duty to protect the whole of football and not just the elite," Ceferin told a conference in Lisbon.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 23, 2017 7:54:13 GMT
The first step is a maximum transfer fee of £100,000, the abolition of transfer windows and eradicating signing-on fees.
A limit on the number of foreign players per side would also make things interesting.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 23, 2017 8:07:45 GMT
Sounds like a method of bringing revenue into UEFA rather than an effective way of curbing the big club bullies. The last thing they fear is financial penalties. What is needed are actual restrictions on player rostas and salary caps but it will never happen.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 23, 2017 8:26:46 GMT
I think it is a good idea in principle, but wonder how they are going to make it work. I expect any proposals would be watered down when the men with power, wealth,and influence oppose the move and in the resultant arrangement, they would just pay the price of hogging all the best players.
My greater concern for England is, I wonder how many talented youngsters get attracted to the top clubs but never have chance to show what they are capable off because of the surfeit of talent at the big clubs. They may get a chance being loaned or sold to a lower league team (like Shawcross) but I expect quite a few quit the game. If Southampton can produce a string of talent, surely the top 6 clubs should be producing much more young English/British talent?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 9:43:04 GMT
The difference between now and many years ago is the inflation caused by the huge influx of money in to the game. I've always said it - but football is its own micro society. More money does not mean you get more - but you just have to pay more for the same.
We look at transfers like Pogba, Bale, Ronaldo down to De Bruyne and co, and think "How the fuck can we ever compete with these teams who can pay over £50m for a player on £200,000 wages.
22 years ago that Man Utd broke the British transfer record fee by paying £7m for Andy Cole and seldom few could compete with that at the time.
Almost 20 years ago, the £15m paid for Shearer more than doubled the record and seldom few could compete with that. Yet we're paying around that for Shaqiri and it doesn't even get you Imbula now.
It was only 10 years ago that the £30m barrier was broke with Shevchenko and seldom few could compete with that.
There has always been an inequality, the top teams have always taken the best - and it will only be when players are willing to be paid half as much as they could get and play regularly (although not guaranteed) instead of competing for a place in the top teams; and agents fees are banned (or linked to actual time spent on a transfer rather than a percentage of the fee - that there will ever be a slightly better balance.
Or, football would have to become a socialist movement, and every team given the same amount of money regardless of size, success, their own revenues, location.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 23, 2017 13:39:44 GMT
As I posted on another thread, the rules are there to be broken.
FFP - completely ignored now after PSG and Man City were found to be breaking it
Illegal Transfers - Barca and Madrids transfer ban were basically circumvented and became pointless
QPR - FFP penalty from the Championship ignored
Work Permits - Big clubs get them but clubs like Stoke are denied
I predict that in about 10 years time that G20 teams (Man United, Bayern etc) will get a permanent place in the Champions League.
UEFA make the right noises but deliver sweet FA (pun intended)
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2017 13:54:01 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39355514Aleksander Ceferin, president of European football's governing body Uefa, says a "luxury tax" on rich clubs and squad limits could also help to stop elite clubs dominating the game. He said the "excessive concentration of talent with a few teams" had to change. "Uefa has a duty to protect the whole of football and not just the elite," Ceferin told a conference in Lisbon. they'll just pay off the luxury tax and right it off and carry on
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2017 13:57:45 GMT
The difference between now and many years ago is the inflation caused by the huge influx of money in to the game. I've always said it - but football is its own micro society. More money does not mean you get more - but you just have to pay more for the same. We look at transfers like Pogba, Bale, Ronaldo down to De Bruyne and co, and think "How the fuck can we ever compete with these teams who can pay over £50m for a player on £200,000 wages. 22 years ago that Man Utd broke the British transfer record fee by paying £7m for Andy Cole and seldom few could compete with that at the time. Almost 20 years ago, the £15m paid for Shearer more than doubled the record and seldom few could compete with that. Yet we're paying around that for Shaqiri and it doesn't even get you Imbula now. It was only 10 years ago that the £30m barrier was broke with Shevchenko and seldom few could compete with that. There has always been an inequality, the top teams have always taken the best - and it will only be when players are willing to be paid half as much as they could get and play regularly (although not guaranteed) instead of competing for a place in the top teams; and agents fees are banned (or linked to actual time spent on a transfer rather than a percentage of the fee - that there will ever be a slightly better balance. Or, football would have to become a socialist movement, and every team given the same amount of money regardless of size, success, their own revenues, location. Put simply, its the way capitalism works and therefore its the way football works. Ive just moved to a new area. There are zero corner shops within walking distance. To shop I have to drive to a supermarket. The teams who control football are the supermarkets.
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Post by medwaypotter on Mar 23, 2017 14:11:08 GMT
The first step is a maximum transfer fee of £100,000, the abolition of transfer windows and eradicating signing-on fees. A limit on the number of foreign players per side would also make things interesting. £100,000 ? There have been million pound transfers for nearly 40 years, ain't going to happen,
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 23, 2017 14:43:20 GMT
For once I like the American system on team budgets
I.e. Each team has a player budget of say 100 million That encludes wages and transfers how they spend it is up to them
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 23, 2017 15:04:10 GMT
For once I like the American system on team budgets I.e. Each team has a player budget of say 100 million That encludes wages and transfers how they spend it is up to them One good thing from Brexit is that we could impose wage limits as we dont have to live by EU free-market regulations. The problem is that once we do that in the UK all the top players will leave and go to other leagues or China. Brexit will surely have some impact on foreign players coming to the UK you would have thought.
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Post by foster on Mar 23, 2017 15:17:27 GMT
Wage cap (100k per week) and transfer cap (20m) - Total Bonus cap of no higher than 1m per season. Players who want to leave before their contracts end pay back 50% of their earnings up to that point with their respective club.
Never happen but something like that.
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 23, 2017 15:20:37 GMT
Sadly I don't really see an answer to creating across the board equality in any way without changing the entire structure of the sport to an "American" model.
Meaning the whole draft system of players where the lowest placed teams get to pick the newest "top draft pick" youngsters or "rookies" coming through. We could never do that without destroying the academy structure, or giving up ownership of the Academies to UEFA. It would never work in a million years.
My Dad has a saying "You can't put the shit back in the donkey". I think we are beyond the point of controlling this beast now and it will just continue the way it is with bigger fees and bigger contracts and bigger wages.
To be honest I am surprised clubs are not just buying other clubs outright already.
As far as this Luxury tax is concerned would it not backfire on UEFA giving China even more pulling power?
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 27, 2017 9:50:01 GMT
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 27, 2017 10:46:49 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 27, 2017 10:55:51 GMT
Good news for the lawyers of the big clubs
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