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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 22, 2017 7:37:35 GMT
Apart frpm the Captain,any players surrounding the Ref,should recieve a yellow card.
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 22, 2017 7:46:18 GMT
Apart frpm the Captain,any players surrounding the Ref,should recieve a yellow card. I thought this was a new rule brought In for this season, or am I dreaming this? I have only seen it used once! |
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Post by bolders on Mar 22, 2017 7:54:39 GMT
Apart frpm the Captain,any players surrounding the Ref,should receive a yellow card. I thought this was a new rule brought In for this season, or am I dreaming this? I have only seen it used once! i thought it was to and i i think its only been used against us |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 22, 2017 7:57:14 GMT
Apart frpm the Captain,any players surrounding the Ref,should recieve a yellow card. And castration for a second offence.  Seriously, I agree with you although, to be fair, it should be the Captain and the player(s) involved in the incident who should be allowed to discuss things with the ref. The Captain may have been well away from the incident and may need to refer to the player involved during discussions with the ref. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 22, 2017 7:58:00 GMT
I thought this was a new rule brought In for this season, or am I dreaming this? I have only seen it used once! i thought it was to and i i think its only been used against us I thought so, but I haven't seen it used against us(or cant remember!) only seen it used on Sunday Man city v Pool! |
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Post by bolders on Mar 22, 2017 8:15:27 GMT
i thought it was to and i i think its only been used against us I thought so, but I haven't seen it used against us(or cant remember!) only seen it used on Sunday Man city v Pool! i Thought it was earlier on in the season. Wasnt a few of the new decisions only being dished out on us and not the big teams |
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Post by nott1 on Mar 22, 2017 8:15:35 GMT
Top four clubs red cards please, that WOULD stop it!
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 22, 2017 8:34:46 GMT
The problem is the top four clubs seem to get away with murder and always have this could mainly to do with their spending power and there attractiveness to tv companies for tv rights
Do you think that if stoke owed as much as some of these top clubs they would not be wound up but they are still allowed to sign players
The way to stop the crowding of refs is easy either send the players off, or use a 10 minute sin bin rule like rugby to cool off( a bit like being put on the naughty step lol) If this means a team are down to 5 players then so be it they wont do it again after the first time and they lose 10 -0 or so
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 22, 2017 11:47:00 GMT
i thought it was to and i i think its only been used against us I thought so, but I haven't seen it used against us(or cant remember!) only seen it used on Sunday Man city v Pool! Everton at home. Lino flagged offside, Ref dissalowed goal. Entire Everton team surrounded Ref and Lino. Ref changed his mind and awarded goal. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 22, 2017 12:13:01 GMT
The rule is also viewed retrospectively. Hull (for surrounding Clattenburg against Arsenal last month after a red card) and Man United (for surrounding Oliver for Herrera's red last week) have already both been fined specifically for surrounding the ref and disputing decisions. It's under this exact rule that Man city have now been charged with "Not ensuring their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion" (which is different to when they're charged when they all start brawling. This is specifically for surrounding the ref and disputing the decision). In other words, yes the "Big boys" are having action taken against them when it happens, maybe not on the day but retrospectively as well. Re: Only the Captain speaking to the ref, that isn't a rule. It has been discussed over the last couple of months (as have sin bins etc.) with the plan to bring it in next season (if it's agreed) www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39147110 |
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 22, 2017 12:32:51 GMT
One concerning issue is that the principle of only one player (the Captain) being allowed to discuss an incident with the referee is surely not a new one. The proposal comes up at regular intervals, and without looking at an FA rule book I have always assumed the ruling was an actual existing Law, already in place. Many times in the past we have in my memory started a season with the principle of players not surrounding or intimidating a referee being proclaimed and emphasised. There must be a reference to this in the existing rules somewhere.
I know when I was playing for Staffordshire Schools in the 70's we were always taught then that the only players who could approach the referee were the offender, if invited to do so by the referee, and then the Captain for clarification or advice.
So why should the matter continue to be controversial? Just get on with it and establish this as general practice by implementation and repetition. Just say No!.
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 22, 2017 14:11:09 GMT
I thought so, but I haven't seen it used against us(or cant remember!) only seen it used on Sunday Man city v Pool! Everton at home. Lino flagged offside, Ref dissalowed goal. Entire Everton team surrounded Ref and Lino. Ref changed his mind and awarded goal. Cheers Raythesailor, yes now I remember! |
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Post by bloody56 on Mar 22, 2017 14:32:20 GMT
The referee should demand respect off the players. They are their own worst enemies at times. It doesn't have to be a card straight from the off, but they can make it clear that they are not afraid to book or send a player off for not respecting them. For it to be effective, it would have to be consistently applied Referees are supposed to send players off for foul and abusive language.
They don't require a directive from the FA. Everyone has a legal right for dignity at work.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 22, 2017 14:34:33 GMT
Captain only rule would be a bit of a farce if yer keeper is the Captain.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 22, 2017 14:50:52 GMT
Apart frpm the Captain,any players surrounding the Ref,should recieve a yellow card. I thought this was a new rule brought In for this season, or am I dreaming this? I have only seen it used once! There is a rule. The link is from the FA, see slide 3. file:///C:/Users/Dave/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/IE/L62MD9SZ/standard-penalties.pdf 20 Each Affiliated Association, Competition and Club shall be responsible for ensuring: (a) that its directors, players, officials, employees, servants, representatives, spectators, and all persons purporting to be its supporters or followers, conduct themselves in an orderly fashion and refrain from any one or combination of the following: improper, violent, threatening, abusive, indecent, insulting or provocative words or behaviour, (including, without limitation, where any such conduct, words or behaviour includes a reference, whether express or implied, to any one or more of ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, religion or belief, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation or disability) whilst attending at or taking part in a Match in which it is involved, whether on its own ground or elsewhere; and (b) that no spectators or unauthorised persons are permitted to encroach onto the pitch area, save for reasons of crowd safety, or to throw missiles, bottles or other potentially harmful or dangerous objects at or on to the pitch. |
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