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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 14:47:25 GMT
His performances for us have been a lot of saves he should make, a few outstanding displays and lots of little iffy things that worry. His command of his area is poor and he doesn't come off his line quick enough. His kicking is also piss poor. He's decent enough but he isn't this messiah he's painted as and the outcry over him not being selected for England was pathetic. Jordan Pickford when they're relegated! But there's just something I don't trust about him long term. Pickford who's destined for big things? Of course he will. Come on name names? I think Pickford could be attainable tbh. Valdes is better too. Angus Gunn is one we should be looking at. More of a long term project though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:48:28 GMT
By catastrophic you mean he made a mistake. Correct Your second point I will keep repeating is unbelievably harsh, Pieters makes the connection he should have and there's no issue..... Il Grant you he probably should have made a save but it was a bloody good free kick Grants reaction told me all I needed to know, he knew he'd made a mistake. It happens. The only other mistake I can think of is Leicester's equaliser which was just a misjudgement. To say he was at fault for the Rooney free kick is harsh, he's been moaned at for not covering his near post and for being beaten at the far post smack bang in the corner. The other incident was the West Brom home game when he and Martins Indi got in each other's way to concede a corner but Grant actually shouted for that....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:49:07 GMT
By catastrophic you mean he made a mistake. Correct Your second point I will keep repeating is unbelievably harsh, Pieters makes the connection he should have and there's no issue..... Catastrophic - a direct cause of a goal. Mistakes are made all over the pitch but if a keeper makes one it's a goal. That's the harsh reality for a keeper. I think he could of done a lot better on the second but you are right, if Pieters had done his job it wouldn't have been an issue. Neville Southall at home to Tranmere, now that's catastrophic.....
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Mar 19, 2017 14:49:51 GMT
I did, I saw a keeper beaten by a good free kick and a defender make one mistake after a solid game, these players are human not fucking robots You however seem to see whatever you want to to slag off the club Pieters made plenty of mistakes all game. He's badly off form mainly because his place is 100% nailed on. Too complacent IMHO. There's an argument he needs competition il agree with you there, but generally in the last couple of seasons and since coming to the club he's been good, just needs to work on his crossing
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 14:50:30 GMT
Catastrophic - a direct cause of a goal. Mistakes are made all over the pitch but if a keeper makes one it's a goal. That's the harsh reality for a keeper. I think he could of done a lot better on the second but you are right, if Pieters had done his job it wouldn't have been an issue. Neville Southall, now that's catastrophic..... Amended for you...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:51:09 GMT
Pickford who's destined for big things? Of course he will. Come on name names? I think Pickford could be attainable tbh. Valdes is better too. Angus Gunn is one we should be looking at. More of a long term project though. Pickford and Valdes clearly aren't going to come to Stoke to sit on the bench. Gunn may as well stay at Man City and be farmed out on loan for regular game time than come here and get splinters on his arse. That's how I'd see it if I were him and his agent....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 14:57:32 GMT
I think Pickford could be attainable tbh. Valdes is better too. Angus Gunn is one we should be looking at. More of a long term project though. Pickford and Valdes clearly aren't going to come to Stoke to sit on the bench. Gunn may as well stay at Man City and be farmed out on loan for regular game time than come here and get splinters on his arse. That's how I'd see it if I were him and his agent.... I think if you could sell it to Pickford as a job share/competition and learning from the best I think he'd be tempted. Valdes won't get many better offers. Re Gunn possibly. I have a feeling he might be in with a chance of being their #2 anyway next season.
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Post by Davef on Mar 19, 2017 15:03:24 GMT
Valdes? And you're talking about catastrophes?!
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 19, 2017 15:06:07 GMT
Valdes? And you're talking about catastrophes?! Its ok - he does not play for Stoke and therefore is allowed a howler or two Then again one of our players of the season who got us out of a massive Butland sized hole isn't allowed the odd mistake
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 15:07:35 GMT
Valdes? And you're talking about catastrophes?! Its ok - he does not play for Stoke and therefore is allowed a howler or two Then again one of our players of the season who got us out of a massive Butland sized hole isn't allowed the odd mistake Oh he is. But he's just not that good of a goalkeeper in general. He's done us a job but we need better. Like a lot of positons.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 19, 2017 15:09:53 GMT
Its ok - he does not play for Stoke and therefore is allowed a howler or two Then again one of our players of the season who got us out of a massive Butland sized hole isn't allowed the odd mistake Oh he is. But he's just not that good of a goalkeeper in general. He's done us a job but we need better. Like a lot of positons. We wont replace him though - 2.5 year contract so will be number 2 if Jack is back MUCH more pressing positions to focus on
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 15:11:09 GMT
Oh he is. But he's just not that good of a goalkeeper in general. He's done us a job but we need better. Like a lot of positons. We wont replace him though - 2.5 year contract so will be number 2 if Jack is back MUCH more pressing positions to focus on There's loads the manager needs to sort and it's all of his making.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 19, 2017 15:16:51 GMT
We wont replace him though - 2.5 year contract so will be number 2 if Jack is back MUCH more pressing positions to focus on There's loads the manager needs to sort and it's all of his making. I don't disagree with that, just the goalkeeping situation is way down on my list and it is a fairly long list
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 15:18:15 GMT
There's loads the manager needs to sort and it's all of his making. I don't disagree with that, just the goalkeeping situation is way down on my list and it is a fairly long list It'd be in the middle of mine.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 19, 2017 15:19:08 GMT
I don't disagree with that, just the goalkeeping situation is way down on my list and it is a fairly long list It'd be in the middle of mine. Yeah but your list is even longer than mine
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 15:23:34 GMT
It'd be in the middle of mine. Yeah but your list is even longer than mine Haha maybe! Realistically with the contract extensions and what not I'd be happy with this as a squad next season; Butland ? Grant ? Shawcross Indi ? Bardo Cameron Muni Pieters ? ? Whelan Afellay Allen Shaq ? Arnie Verlinden ? Ramadan Berahino Diouf ? Crouch I don't think Diouf and Muni will be here next season mind. EDIT- I forgot Joe Allen
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Post by dieguito88 on Mar 19, 2017 15:27:04 GMT
Pickford who's destined for big things? Of course he will. Come on name names? I think Pickford could be attainable tbh. Valdes is better too. Angus Gunn is one we should be looking at. More of a long term project though. There is not time for project as u see haugaard what has become. With butland, grant and a young third GK we are fine. When and if Butland will leave, then we have to see another solid option.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 19, 2017 15:31:14 GMT
Pickford who's destined for big things? Of course he will. Come on name names? I think Pickford could be attainable tbh. Valdes is better too. Angus Gunn is one we should be looking at. More of a long term project though. Angus gunn? Now is he Bryan's son?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 15:32:43 GMT
I think Pickford could be attainable tbh. Valdes is better too. Angus Gunn is one we should be looking at. More of a long term project though. Angus gunn? Now is he Bryan's son? He is.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 19, 2017 15:42:50 GMT
Jack will have to work very hard to get past Lee and may well have a long wait for his chance. Lee Grant has been one of our best players this season. Do people actually believe this? yes of course mainly because it is true, he has been in fantastic form. Jack needs to demonstrate that he has recovered his pre-injury form. Not easy after a year off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 15:45:13 GMT
Butland Grant Bachmann
Send Bachmann out on loan. Simple.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 15:45:37 GMT
Do people actually believe this? yes of course mainly because it is true, he has been in fantastic form. Jack needs to demonstrate that he has recovered his pre-injury form. Not easy after a year off. Once fit he's in. Has to be that simple.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 15:46:25 GMT
Butland Grant Bachmann Send Bachmann out on loan. Simple..... So you're left with 2 keepers? That's daft.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 19, 2017 15:46:54 GMT
Do people actually believe this? Believe it? It's just reality. I do, for one.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 19, 2017 15:52:28 GMT
Its ok - he does not play for Stoke and therefore is allowed a howler or two Then again one of our players of the season who got us out of a massive Butland sized hole isn't allowed the odd mistake Oh he is. But he's just not that good of a goalkeeper in general. He's done us a job but we need better. Like a lot of positons. Until Butland is fully fit and had a couple games under his belt, we have no idea if he will be as good as he was before his injury. I'd give him 2 pr 3 games in the U-21s before I'd risk him in the starting 11. He needs to build up his confidence.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 15:56:34 GMT
Oh he is. But he's just not that good of a goalkeeper in general. He's done us a job but we need better. Like a lot of positons. Until Butland is fully fit and had a couple games under his belt, we have no idea if he will be as good as he was before his injury. I'd give him 2 pr 3 games in the U-21s before I'd risk him in the starting 11. He needs to build up his confidence. That's a given.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 19, 2017 16:00:11 GMT
Do people actually believe this? yes of course mainly because it is true, he has been in fantastic form. Jack needs to demonstrate that he has recovered his pre-injury form. Not easy after a year off. Grant has been a very good signing, a massive improvement from Haugard and Given where if it was on target it seemed to go in. Having said that once Butland has managed 2 or 3 warm up or practice games with no ill effects, i'd be amazed if he is not straight back into the team. Butland is going to be a world class keeper and it would be madness not to pick him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:22:12 GMT
Fishing.
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Post by boweryboy on Mar 19, 2017 16:38:56 GMT
Grant didnot cover himself in glory but,Ramadan has to shoulder some of the blame,you are put in the wall for a reason....and that is to protect part of the goal...if the ball is clipped over their heads,then fair enough,but it wasn't.. to turn your back and be sideways on when the ball comes past you is piss poor and letting the keeper down...Ramadan will learn from it...What Pieter's was doing giving a corner away in the first place I don't know,he seemed to go the long way to get to the ball,then plays the ball back with his wrong foot....then when the corner comes in,he ends up unsighting his own keeper,instead of being on the post.....Butland back and two new fullbacks will improve us tremendously.......
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Post by Old School Stokie on Mar 19, 2017 16:47:11 GMT
Grant was unlucky with the second goal. If Pieters hadn't have done a panicky swipe at the ball to move it all of two yards, Grant was right behind him to pick it up. OK first goal was a howler but I've seen Bego & Butland do those.
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