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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 22, 2017 14:11:53 GMT
Hes a bit like Sturridge at Liverpool when Klopp started moaning about him always complaining about a little niggle.
Shaq has certainly had injuries but at the end of the day is heart is not in it at Stoke and it probably never will be.
He is worth a place in the team and he HAS performed when hes not injured. But considering the salary he is on I wouldnt cry if we sold him.
On a club level we are starting to look like a bad destination for "dogs home" stars. Shaqiri came to Stoke to re-ignite his career after a poor 6 months at Inter. He couldnt get in the Bayern team because Robben & Ribery were ahead of him - but he still performed by Bayern.
From Shaqiri's point of view he probably came to Stoke aiming to prove his value and move back to a top club but who would want him now?
I was so excited when we signed him and he has certainly provided some highlights in his time here. But its a sad state of affairs when nobody would bat an eyelid if the Alpine Messi moved on in the summer. A parting of ways seems inevitable now.
Still I have high hopes for Ramadan
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 14:47:31 GMT
We cannot keep a player who misses 50% of games. If we can recoup most of his fee then we should let him go and then look elsewhere.
He quite simply does not play enough games. I hope we are working to offload him and Imbula in the summer.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 22, 2017 15:55:46 GMT
He would probably fit in better at a bigger club where they rotate more from game to game. As he is also way better at attacking than defending his weaknesses wouldn't be so exposed at a big club. He has a wonderful left peg to put balls into the space behind defences and also this part of his game would fit in better at a bigger club. I really think he will do well at club like Man City, but they'll probably never look his way though!
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Post by nutterpotter on Mar 23, 2017 14:09:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 14:29:46 GMT
Strange how he can play for Switzerland. I think the best of his career is behind him. Can't see it going anywhere but sideways or down after Stoke.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 23, 2017 14:40:14 GMT
Well I would give him until the end of the season in the Number 10 role to prove a) he has fitness and b) can be a success for us there. His resale value is dropping. Whether Hughes wants to keep him at Stoke or sell him in the summer it serves no purpose to keep him out of the team. We need him to play to help Stoke for the remainder and put him in the shop window. Im sure he feels the same. Stoke cant demand decent fees for player that are not in the team
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Post by nott1 on Mar 23, 2017 16:19:35 GMT
It's got beyond a joke and when Hughes reads my comment he'll get rid!
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 23, 2017 17:28:12 GMT
Who is this Shaqiri people are talking about?
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Post by swissattack on Mar 23, 2017 17:42:41 GMT
If he did say that, its fucking ludicrous yet wholly unsurprising. When he first missed with this latest injury I predicted he'd be fit enough to play the week before the next international fixtures. It is truly beyond a joke. It will be interesting to see how much he is involved in the international games this week he will play the game from start i bet. and as well some news came out that the national medical team wants to talk to stoke about whats going on with shaq. he had never so many problems in his career as in stoke and i really start to doubt the medical team in stoke. not only because of shaqiri. there are plenty examples of players who had medical issues at stoke. as well they sad that he did a MRI and could not see any harm. so the calf problem is a chronic issue. anyway he is full fit and he burning to show why there is still a big hype about him. here in switzerland he is still a superstar if he plays or not. funny how he rarely misses national games and mostly shows a good performance. just watch his statistics. anyway here we are burning to see him again after 2 months. he will prove his doubters again wrong and in summer hopefully leaves stoke. because at stoke he is cursed allready and he should play there where he is loved for his magic he brings.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 23, 2017 17:58:37 GMT
It will be interesting to see how much he is involved in the international games this week he will play the game from start i bet. and as well some news came out that the national medical team wants to talk to stoke about whats going on with shaq. he had never so many problems in his career as in stoke and i really start to doubt the medical team in stoke. not only because of shaqiri. there are plenty examples of players who had medical issues at stoke. as well they sad that he did a MRI and could not see any harm. so the calf problem is a chronic issue. anyway he is full fit and he burning to show why there is still a big hype about him. here in switzerland he is still a superstar if he plays or not. funny how he rarely misses national games and mostly shows a good performance. just watch his statistics. anyway here we are burning to see him again after 2 months. he will prove his doubters again wrong and in summer hopefully leaves stoke. because at stoke he is cursed allready and he should play there where he is loved for his magic he brings. I understand your concerns. He is s talented player and I think it would be best for all concerned that he either leaves or we get the chance to play him off he isn't injured. It'll be interesting to see who he will join because I guess very few teams in Europe can afford his wages. He may go to China..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 20:13:14 GMT
Cash in on him in the summer. We simply cannot carry a player like him. A great talent on his day but we can't keep a player on upwards of 60k a week who plays 6 games a pissing year
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Post by nutterpotter on Mar 23, 2017 20:33:13 GMT
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 23, 2017 20:45:09 GMT
Simply incredible, infact world class, INFACT the best talent I've seen in a Stoke shirt. Simply superb.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 23, 2017 20:46:06 GMT
He said there was no tear and no strain in the calf but a bit of pain, but yet he's missed 7 games, ffs!!!
I know people with chronic back injuries, people with serious leg injuries that turn up for work and endure a little pain in order to earn a living.
Spoilt, pampered and soft as a jellyfishes cock, man the fuck up or fuck off!
Seriously a bit of pain from scar tissue in his calf, seriously!!!!!!!!!
I've lost any respect I've had for him, talented or not.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Mar 23, 2017 20:48:22 GMT
Looks properly fucked in that video. These injuries hey!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 20:49:17 GMT
Shaqiri is a fairy and has no stamina. Somebody here mentioned playing him as a number 10 but he'd soon get bullied out of that. The only place for him if he has a place in the team at all is out wide. Even then he's only active in spasms. You have to look at what he has done, now in 60 games, on the international scene for his country. Ever since he started getting picked for their youth team he played in the middle, with the freedom to shift to the wings. He's done very well for his country in that role, and with them, went further in the Euros than England ever did. That said the short amount of games that he has played 90 minutes in for us since his arrival is not acceptable. If a good offer, money wise, comes in, we should let him go.
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Post by Jimm on Mar 23, 2017 21:57:37 GMT
Easy excise saying there's pain in his muscle and can't be proven wrong but everything's sound for him to play for country. Somethings clearly a miss and as our highest earner, missing 1/3 of the season through minor injuries, isn't good enough and we should be looking at moving him on
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:01:26 GMT
He said there was no tear and no strain in the calf but a bit of pain, but yet he's missed 7 games, ffs!!! I know people with chronic back injuries, people with serious leg injuries that turn up for work and endure a little pain in order to earn a living. Spoilt, pampered and soft as a jellyfishes cock, man the fuck up or fuck off! Seriously a bit of pain from scar tissue in his calf, seriously!!!!!!!!! I've lost any respect I've had for him, talented or not. In fairness they probably don't earn their living by putting their body through ridiculous amounts of stress and strain in a level of sport that needs the absolute peak of athleticism. Footballers earn a sickening amount of money, doesn't mean their job is easy, and it doesn't mean they can necessarily play through all pain. Also, every person's pain threshold is different, some people hardly wince when in lots of pain, others can feel like they're being stabbed when its only a pinprick, nothing to do with being spoilt or pampered, it's how the brain works. I'll criticise him if he wimps out on the pitch, or doesn't put in effort, but i'm not going to criticise him for being injured.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:08:25 GMT
Looks really injured. Just like in the summer. One week after finishing a stop/start season he films himself smashing seven bells out of a gym with the title "Now it's time to get fit for the Euro's".
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Post by swissattack on Mar 23, 2017 22:08:33 GMT
Shaqiri is a fairy and has no stamina. Somebody here mentioned playing him as a number 10 but he'd soon get bullied out of that. The only place for him if he has a place in the team at all is out wide. Even then he's only active in spasms. You have to look at what he has done, now in 60 games, on the international scene for his country. Ever since he started getting picked for their youth team he played in the middle, with the freedom to shift to the wings. He's done very well for his country in that role, and with them, went further in the Euros than England ever did. That said the short amount of games that he has played 90 minutes in for us since his arrival is not acceptable. If a good offer, money wise, comes in, we should let him go. its not a shaqiri problem. it is a hughes problem. he has no idea how to play a team packed with skill players. hughes know only how to build worker teams. look at imbula, bojan, bony all not good enough for hughes destroy football. i still dream from this 2 games when stoke beat man city at home and i tought hughes is the best coach on earth because he let them play then. hughes has failed and so has shaqiri failed, imbula failed, bony failed, and all actually never got a chance to prove them wrong. why never gave shaq 5 games i a row on the 10? hughes is a dickhead and i lost all hope he ever realise what potential all his players could have.....for me he is the stinking fish....thats why so many players look shit but are good actually...easy to talk bad about a player and never give him a chance to play (imbula) anyway yes shaqiri is wrong at stoke and how stoke plays is totaly wrong for shaqiris game....thats why i hope he leaves.....it feels not failed because the coach is a stubborn middle class coach....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:13:02 GMT
You have to look at what he has done, now in 60 games, on the international scene for his country. Ever since he started getting picked for their youth team he played in the middle, with the freedom to shift to the wings. He's done very well for his country in that role, and with them, went further in the Euros than England ever did. That said the short amount of games that he has played 90 minutes in for us since his arrival is not acceptable. If a good offer, money wise, comes in, we should let him go. its not a shaqiri problem. it is a hughes problem. he has no idea how to play a team packed with skill players. hughes know only how to build worker teams. look at imbula, bojan, bony all not good enough for hughes destroy football. i still dream from this 2 games when stoke beat man city at home and i tought hughes is the best coach on earth because he let them play then. hughes has failed and so has shaqiri failed, imbula failed, bony failed, and all actually never got a chance to prove them wrong. why never gave shaq 5 games i a row on the 10? hughes is a dickhead and i lost all hope he ever realise what potential all his players could have.....for me he is the stinking fish....thats why so many players look shit but are good actually...easy to talk bad about a player and never give him a chance to play (imbula) anyway yes shaqiri is wrong at stoke and how stoke plays is totaly wrong for shaqiris game....thats why i hope he leaves.....it feels not failed because the coach is a stubborn middle class coach.... It's absolutely nothing to do with Hughes. Shaqiri is an overrated show pony. He failed at Bayern Munich and has been poor for us. Please don't bring Imbula into it, he's another player who lacks any sort of heart or desire. Simple question ❓ Where do you think Shaqiri goes from here?
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Post by swissattack on Mar 23, 2017 22:15:26 GMT
Shaqiri is a fairy and has no stamina. Somebody here mentioned playing him as a number 10 but he'd soon get bullied out of that. The only place for him if he has a place in the team at all is out wide. Even then he's only active in spasms. You have to look at what he has done, now in 60 games, on the international scene for his country. Ever since he started getting picked for their youth team he played in the middle, with the freedom to shift to the wings. He's done very well for his country in that role, and with them, went further in the Euros than England ever did. That said the short amount of games that he has played 90 minutes in for us since his arrival is not acceptable. If a good offer, money wise, comes in, we should let him go. the key is: SHAQIRI HAS NOT TO DO BACK TRACKING SO MUCH AND THATS THE MAIN POINT. at the winger he has to back track always and thats a weak point of him. he need a free role where he can unleash his magic and not running back like a dickhead how he does in stoke because stoke is mostly under pressure....there is no tranforming stoke who plays now better then befor shaqiri because hughes is incompetent...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:17:19 GMT
You have to look at what he has done, now in 60 games, on the international scene for his country. Ever since he started getting picked for their youth team he played in the middle, with the freedom to shift to the wings. He's done very well for his country in that role, and with them, went further in the Euros than England ever did. That said the short amount of games that he has played 90 minutes in for us since his arrival is not acceptable. If a good offer, money wise, comes in, we should let him go. its not a shaqiri problem. it is a hughes problem. he has no idea how to play a team packed with skill players. hughes know only how to build worker teams. look at imbula, bojan, bony all not good enough for hughes destroy football. i still dream from this 2 games when stoke beat man city at home and i tought hughes is the best coach on earth because he let them play then. hughes has failed and so has shaqiri failed, imbula failed, bony failed, and all actually never got a chance to prove them wrong. why never gave shaq 5 games i a row on the 10? hughes is a dickhead and i lost all hope he ever realise what potential all his players could have.....for me he is the stinking fish....thats why so many players look shit but are good actually...easy to talk bad about a player and never give him a chance to play (imbula) anyway yes shaqiri is wrong at stoke and how stoke plays is totaly wrong for shaqiris game....thats why i hope he leaves.....it feels not failed because the coach is a stubborn middle class coach.... Shaqiri appears to have the heart the size of a pea. Say what the fuck you like about Hughes and how Shaqiri isn't good enough for our great club but his career will only head in one direction if he keeps missing so much football....
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Post by swissattack on Mar 23, 2017 22:21:25 GMT
its not a shaqiri problem. it is a hughes problem. he has no idea how to play a team packed with skill players. hughes know only how to build worker teams. look at imbula, bojan, bony all not good enough for hughes destroy football. i still dream from this 2 games when stoke beat man city at home and i tought hughes is the best coach on earth because he let them play then. hughes has failed and so has shaqiri failed, imbula failed, bony failed, and all actually never got a chance to prove them wrong. why never gave shaq 5 games i a row on the 10? hughes is a dickhead and i lost all hope he ever realise what potential all his players could have.....for me he is the stinking fish....thats why so many players look shit but are good actually...easy to talk bad about a player and never give him a chance to play (imbula) anyway yes shaqiri is wrong at stoke and how stoke plays is totaly wrong for shaqiris game....thats why i hope he leaves.....it feels not failed because the coach is a stubborn middle class coach.... It's absolutely nothing to do with Hughes. Shaqiri is an overrated show pony. He failed at Bayern Munich and has been poor for us. Please don't bring Imbula into it, he's another player who lacks any sort of heart or desire. Simple question ❓ Where do you think Shaqiri goes from here? all his life he showed some worldclass stuff when they doubted him most. so i am convinced he will score some 5-7 more goals for stoke and then in summer window he will choose from few clubs who wanted him....he is still young and his reputation is still intact .... he did not fail he was too much injured....
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 23, 2017 22:29:46 GMT
He said there was no tear and no strain in the calf but a bit of pain, but yet he's missed 7 games, ffs!!! I know people with chronic back injuries, people with serious leg injuries that turn up for work and endure a little pain in order to earn a living. Spoilt, pampered and soft as a jellyfishes cock, man the fuck up or fuck off! Seriously a bit of pain from scar tissue in his calf, seriously!!!!!!!!! I've lost any respect I've had for him, talented or not. In fairness they probably don't earn their living by putting their body through ridiculous amounts of stress and strain in a level of sport that needs the absolute peak of athleticism. Footballers earn a sickening amount of money, doesn't mean their job is easy, and it doesn't mean they can necessarily play through all pain. Also, every person's pain threshold is different, some people hardly wince when in lots of pain, others can feel like they're being stabbed when its only a pinprick, nothing to do with being spoilt or pampered, it's how the brain works. I'll criticise him if he wimps out on the pitch, or doesn't put in effort, but i'm not going to criticise him for being injured. I'm not gonna say "bollox" but I'm tempted. You are of course right about pain thresholds but this guy is a professional footballer so there is a legitimate expectation that he should be able to play through some discomfort. He doesn't have a tear he doesn't even have a strain, that to me means that he has some tightness in his muscles (I'm open to correction). If a professional footballer cannot play through some muscle tightness then he should not be a professional footballer. In my opinion he's self centred, soft and taking the easy option by not playing. He's a wimp and if he plays for Switzerland I'd go as far as to say he's a deceitful wimp.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 23, 2017 22:32:55 GMT
Has Shaq still got a shack up Flash, or was it Sheen?
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Mar 23, 2017 22:33:18 GMT
Looks really injured. Just like in the summer. One week after finishing a stop/start season he films himself smashing seven bells out of a gym with the title "Now it's time to get fit for the Euro's". He's taking the piss. Be it a warehouseman, an office worker, a footballer. When the 'phoning in sick' bug sets in. He's like the guy who is off with a bad back then seen lugging paving stones across his yard.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:40:04 GMT
It's absolutely nothing to do with Hughes. Shaqiri is an overrated show pony. He failed at Bayern Munich and has been poor for us. Please don't bring Imbula into it, he's another player who lacks any sort of heart or desire. Simple question ❓ Where do you think Shaqiri goes from here? all his life he showed some worldclass stuff when they doubted him most. so i am convinced he will score some 5-7 more goals for stoke and then in summer window he will choose from few clubs who wanted him....he is still young and his reputation is still intact .... he did not fail he was too much injured.... I guarantee he will not play for a top club again. He has all the ability in the world but lacks any heart or desire. I hope you are right and lots of clubs come in for him. It means we get a sicknote off the books saving 70 grand a week and also get a good fee. Put him in the box titled waste of money. He'll have good company with Imbula.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 23, 2017 22:45:14 GMT
all his life he showed some worldclass stuff when they doubted him most. so i am convinced he will score some 5-7 more goals for stoke and then in summer window he will choose from few clubs who wanted him....he is still young and his reputation is still intact .... he did not fail he was too much injured.... I guarantee he will not play for a top club again. He has all the ability in the world but lacks any heart or desire. I hope you are right and lots of clubs come in for him. It means we get a sicknote off the books saving 70 grand a week and also get a good fee. Put him in the box titled waste of money. He'll have good company with Imbula. I was delighted when he signed for us and he gave us some thrilling moments of magic, unfortunately I think you're right and he has no heart or desire to play for Stoke, such a pity. I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt but if he plays for Switzerland and isn't available for Stoke after that he can fuck right off!
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Post by swissattack on Mar 23, 2017 22:52:26 GMT
all his life he showed some worldclass stuff when they doubted him most. so i am convinced he will score some 5-7 more goals for stoke and then in summer window he will choose from few clubs who wanted him....he is still young and his reputation is still intact .... he did not fail he was too much injured.... I guarantee he will not play for a top club again. He has all the ability in the world but lacks any heart or desire. I hope you are right and lots of clubs come in for him. It means we get a sicknote off the books saving 70 grand a week and also get a good fee. Put him in the box titled waste of money. He'll have good company with Imbula. i agree that the calf issue is very annoying and i was doubting shaqiri do something wrong...the swiss team doc said it is a muscle tissue problem and just to say between the line they doubted stokes medical team because in the national team shaqiri is always top fit...so maybe we have the better docs? we are all rase our question as well about that long injury but we never doubt him as a world class player....and so does many clubs arround the world.....even he would play not 1 game anymore for stoke....he would join still a top team.....we will see....the chance is bigger shaqiri plays champions league again as hughes will have success in his coach career....not forgeting all the trophys shaqiri won allready....so nothing to prove to you guys because the main guys who do the deals still rate him very high even you talk him down....thats why your words put only a smile on my face:)
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