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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 15, 2017 9:50:29 GMT
What a wank comparison, if you ware a turban over your face you would become a walking mummy are you really as stupid as you come across on here or is it an act ? According to the story in the link, it allows "companies to ban staff from wearing visible religious symbols". The way I read the story is that a company can say "No religious symbols in our workplace" or they can say "We allow religious symbols in our workplace". They can't say "You can wear a cross, but you can't wear a burkha". Maybe I'm wrong on that. The reason I ask the question (and it was a question, not a comparison) is because it doesn't seem to be a burkha ban, but a ban on religious symbols. That's exactly how I read it as well. If the employer wants to be seen as neutral then they can insist that no religious symbols are displayed by their employees, that means crosses, headscarves etc.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 15, 2017 16:54:38 GMT
Just ban religion full stop. With all science has taught us over the last 200 years or so, with all the wars and atrocities carried out in the name of religion. Why on earth do so many people still believe in these ridiculous made up stories written thousands of years ago in an age where science couldn't explain the basics of everyday life so these stories were invented as an explanation and method of social control instead? It's absolute mass delusion and the fact that people choose to base their whole lives around these stories and even commit atrocities in the name of these stories just beggars belief. I can understand in third world countries where education is poor and many of the myths and legends that inspired religion in the first place are still rife. But not here in the developed world where we know about evolution, where we came from, what causes weather and the seasons etc. Society still gives far too much credence and respect to religion when really we should be trying to phase it out.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Mar 15, 2017 17:14:20 GMT
Who gives a fuck?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 15, 2017 17:22:32 GMT
Just ban religion full stop. With all science has taught us over the last 200 years or so, with all the wars and atrocities carried out in the name of religion. Why on earth do so many people still believe in these ridiculous made up stories written thousands of years ago in an age where science couldn't explain the basics of everyday life so these stories were invented as an explanation and method of social control instead? It's absolute mass delusion and the fact that people choose to base their whole lives around these stories and even commit atrocities in the name of these stories just beggars belief. I can understand in third world countries where education is poor and many of the myths and legends that inspired religion in the first place are still rife. But not here in the developed world where we know about evolution, where we came from, what causes weather and the seasons etc. Society still gives far too much credence and respect to religion when really we should be trying to phase it out. My thoughts exactly mate, we'd be far more advanced as a society if this shit was left in the dark ages where it belongs. To live your life being dictated by a non-existent entity is a mental illness, not "faith".
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 15, 2017 17:32:53 GMT
No item of clothing should be "banned", if you think that people should be threatened with being locked in a cage because they have draped some fabric around their head then you are an authoritarian fucking shitwipe.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 15, 2017 17:44:46 GMT
Also whilst I'm at it, the tiresome "ban religion" and "religion is the cause of all war" arguments are reductive and childish at best, and downright moronic at worst.
People fight and kill. Over anything. "Banning religion" is not only unenforcable and symptomatic of a gross misunderstanding of anything humans have ever done; but it neglects to address that more people have been killed over politics in the past 100 years than have ever been killed due to religion in history.
Reigion, in non-specific terms, provides far more positives than negatives. It provides comfort and hope to those who cannot cope with existential nihilism, it encourages charity work, it provides value systems. That's not to say that you cannot be moral without being religious; but it is a useful tool for advancing many people's quality of life.
Of course there are extremists who kill in the name of it, but there are extremists fighting for dozens of non-religious causes. The simple fact is that ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Catholic Church of days gone by and whatever bunch of whack-job loonies have been brainwashed by the political corruption and bastardisation of its original intent.
The fact is that the buck should stop at the hands of whatever individual is exploiting any cause to justify being a dick.
People fight over football for fuck's sake, but you won't hear too many people on this board calling for its abolition to stop trouble; it'd just be "they're not real football fans".
Edit-I speak as an atheist by the way.
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Post by Jimmyg on Mar 15, 2017 18:43:49 GMT
My gran used to wear a headscarf every time she went out the house so she wouldn't have been happy. Hijab is not strictly a religious statement in Morocco, women who are not particularly religious wear them,more of a tradition for some,they certainty not forced to wear them.
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Post by thegift on Mar 15, 2017 18:52:34 GMT
you would be if you had an estate full of muslims all wearing burka's.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 15, 2017 18:54:37 GMT
Terrified racists like the gift!
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Post by woodstein on Mar 15, 2017 22:56:05 GMT
Turkey a mostly moderate Muslim country have banned the headscarf in public buildings such as university and hospitals and schools . Not quite sure if it will be si moderate the way Erdogan is going!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 15, 2017 23:11:23 GMT
Also whilst I'm at it, the tiresome "ban religion" and "religion is the cause of all war" arguments are reductive and childish at best, and downright moronic at worst. People fight and kill. Over anything. "Banning religion" is not only unenforcable and symptomatic of a gross misunderstanding of anything humans have ever done; but it neglects to address that more people have been killed over politics in the past 100 years than have ever been killed due to religion in history. Reigion, in non-specific terms, provides far more positives than negatives. It provides comfort and hope to those who cannot cope with existential nihilism, it encourages charity work, it provides value systems. That's not to say that you cannot be moral without being religious; but it is a useful tool for advancing many people's quality of life. Of course there are extremists who kill in the name of it, but there are extremists fighting for dozens of non-religious causes. The simple fact is that ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Catholic Church of days gone by and whatever bunch of whack-job loonies have been brainwashed by the political corruption and bastardisation of its original intent. The fact is that the buck should stop at the hands of whatever individual is exploiting any cause to justify being a dick. People fight over football for fuck's sake, but you won't hear too many people on this board calling for its abolition to stop trouble; it'd just be "they're not real football fans". Edit-I speak as an atheist by the way. Most Wars are fought over Territory (ie it's acquisition). Very few Wars are fought over Religion. Although of course that doesn't stop misinformed people confusing the two. The Partition of Ireland being a case in point.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 16, 2017 0:43:03 GMT
Turkey a mostly moderate Muslim country have banned the headscarf in public buildings such as university and hospitals and schools . Not quite sure if it will be si moderate the way Erdogan is going! He's a cunt for sure
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Post by woodstein on Mar 16, 2017 6:20:05 GMT
Pl Also whilst I'm at it, the tiresome "ban religion" and "religion is the cause of all war" arguments are reductive and childish at best, and downright moronic at worst. People fight and kill. Over anything. "Banning religion" is not only unenforcable and symptomatic of a gross misunderstanding of anything humans have ever done; but it neglects to address that more people have been killed over politics in the past 100 years than have ever been killed due to religion in history. Reigion, in non-specific terms, provides far more positives than negatives. It provides comfort and hope to those who cannot cope with existential nihilism, it encourages charity work, it provides value systems. That's not to say that you cannot be moral without being religious; but it is a useful tool for advancing many people's quality of life. Of course there are extremists who kill in the name of it, but there are extremists fighting for dozens of non-religious causes. The simple fact is that ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Catholic Church of days gone by and whatever bunch of whack-job loonies have been brainwashed by the political corruption and bastardisation of its original intent. The fact is that the buck should stop at the hands of whatever individual is exploiting any cause to justify being a dick. People fight over football for fuck's sake, but you won't hear too many people on this board calling for its abolition to stop trouble; it'd just be "they're not real football fans". Edit-I speak as an atheist by the way. Most Wars are fought over Territory (ie it's acquisition). Very few Wars are fought over Religion. Although of course that doesn't stop misinformed people confusing the two. The Partition of Ireland being a case in point. Yes, the Ireland divide is all down to religious brainwashing. That is the only difference between the 2 sides, they all have the same interests, sport, music, boozing etc. Culture is the same there unlike in other disputes where that causes problems.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Mar 16, 2017 14:09:50 GMT
you would be if you had an estate full of muslims all wearing burka's. Yeah why wouldnt i be?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 15:43:29 GMT
It saddens me that anyone would want to live their lives covered up but, that's their prerogative not mine or anyone elses
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 16, 2017 17:47:27 GMT
Pl Most Wars are fought over Territory (ie it's acquisition). Very few Wars are fought over Religion. Although of course that doesn't stop misinformed people confusing the two. The Partition of Ireland being a case in point. Yes, the Ireland divide is all down to religious brainwashing. That is the only difference between the 2 sides, they all have the same interests, sport, music, boozing etc. Culture is the same there unlike in other disputes where that causes problems. So history, nationalism, the quest for autonomy and self governance, colonialism and Empire-building, exploitation, the banning of the Irish language, xenophobia, the famine and conscription have nothing to do with the Troubles at all? It was all down to Catholicism vs Protestantism?
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Post by woodstein on Mar 16, 2017 19:05:44 GMT
PlYes, the Ireland divide is all down to religious brainwashing. That is the only difference between the 2 sides, they all have the same interests, sport, music, boozing etc. Culture is the same there unlike in other disputes where that causes problems. So history, nationalism, the quest for autonomy and self governance, colonialism and Empire-building, exploitation, the banning of the Irish language, xenophobia, the famine and conscription have nothing to do with the Troubles at all? It was all down to Catholicism vs Protestantism? I was stating that the folk mixed up in it are the same, I wasn't blaming anyone unlike you. Us nasty British again. Funny how many that moan live over here.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 16, 2017 23:04:33 GMT
I'm not anti-British at all and never said anything to indicate that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 3:06:54 GMT
Also whilst I'm at it, the tiresome "ban religion" and "religion is the cause of all war" arguments are reductive and childish at best, and downright moronic at worst. People fight and kill. Over anything. "Banning religion" is not only unenforcable and symptomatic of a gross misunderstanding of anything humans have ever done; but it neglects to address that more people have been killed over politics in the past 100 years than have ever been killed due to religion in history. Reigion, in non-specific terms, provides far more positives than negatives. It provides comfort and hope to those who cannot cope with existential nihilism, it encourages charity work, it provides value systems. That's not to say that you cannot be moral without being religious; but it is a useful tool for advancing many people's quality of life. Of course there are extremists who kill in the name of it, but there are extremists fighting for dozens of non-religious causes. The simple fact is that ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Catholic Church of days gone by and whatever bunch of whack-job loonies have been brainwashed by the political corruption and bastardisation of its original intent. The fact is that the buck should stop at the hands of whatever individual is exploiting any cause to justify being a dick. People fight over football for fuck's sake, but you won't hear too many people on this board calling for its abolition to stop trouble; it'd just be "they're not real football fans". Edit-I speak as an atheist by the way. Christ... Thoughtful, logical, objective, reasoned, and rational. Wise words. Religion isn't the toxin. Buddhists, atheists, hindudes, and pagans have never done me wrong. Muslims and certain types of Christians have been unpleasant and offensive towards me. Therefore "religions" are not the problem. It is types of religion and the people and mindsets that associate towards certain ones of them that are the problem.
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