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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 17:31:58 GMT
I think the point being that the absolute obscene amount of money in the game, and there are clubs unable to service their bills. Normally, I try not to have bills that are in excess of my ability to service them! Without taking your comment 'out of context', but I always thought that tax bills were always relative to declared income - so being required to pay more tax than someone else usually meant that your income was greater. So tax bills, generally, are fairly calculated. Of course, if you don't pay them and keep the money, sooner or later HMCR will knock on your door. Not sure where the blame lies - the owners for keeping the money or the club administration for allowing them? PS if the club were a limited company, can the football authorities interfere? I think it's less about the tax bill itself (which of course should be paid) and more about the unscrupulous owners and how they passed the fit and proper test. I'd paste the links but I'm on my mobile but there was a decent Guardian article about what the owners have been up to and how they're pretty much running the club into the ground...
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Post by wrighter on Mar 1, 2017 17:36:11 GMT
Loved going to Brisbane Road, i've been 5 times and seen us win 4 of those.Only defeat for me there was the day we had the minute's silence in respect for Bobby Moore.Likeable kind of club really. I was there too. played in the purple kit + it snowed lol
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 1, 2017 17:49:26 GMT
My first ever Stoke game at the Victoria Ground was (according to my memory) Stoke 0-1 Leyton Orient. Would have been about 1993? I've gone through the old results and can't find the specific match at all so it's possible I'm confused. I'm confused quite a lot. Was that the game that Ricky Otto terrorised us? Ricky gervaise would terrorise us now 😀
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Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 1, 2017 18:00:39 GMT
The owner lives in Mayfair and watches the home matches on live stream apparently.... Hiding away in his Snake pit while the O's get a winding up order...Sickening !
As Fergie once said " When an Italian tells me it's pasta on the plate I check under the sauce to make sure "😀.. Never trust a Dago !!! 😉
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Post by baystokie on Mar 1, 2017 18:16:08 GMT
Normally, I try not to have bills that are in excess of my ability to service them! Without taking your comment 'out of context', but I always thought that tax bills were always relative to declared income - so being required to pay more tax than someone else usually meant that your income was greater. So tax bills, generally, are fairly calculated. Of course, if you don't pay them and keep the money, sooner or later HMCR will knock on your door. Not sure where the blame lies - the owners for keeping the money or the club administration for allowing them? PS if the club were a limited company, can the football authorities interfere? I think it's less about the tax bill itself (which of course should be paid) and more about the unscrupulous owners and how they passed the fit and proper test. I'd paste the links but I'm on my mobile but there was a decent Guardian article about what the owners have been up to and how they're pretty much running the club into the ground... The original poster made a point of how the FA was doing nothing. Presumably, once the FA/Football League/whoever has given the owners their 'fit and proper' decision, then what future action/sanction can be taken and on what evidence? Maybe the ownership process needs to be made more rigorous and that is the responsibility of the authorities In the present case, an example of 'no horse and bolting stable door'?
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Post by pinoypotter on Mar 1, 2017 18:19:06 GMT
Loved going to Brisbane Road, i've been 5 times and seen us win 4 of those.Only defeat for me there was the day we had the minute's silence in respect for Bobby Moore.Likeable kind of club really. I was there too. played in the purple kit + it snowed lol The game that ended our long unbeaten run I think.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 1, 2017 18:21:00 GMT
I think people object to the idea that a club can fail to exist while Wayne Rooney can earn 350k a week. His wages would probably run Leyton orient.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 1, 2017 18:32:12 GMT
There is definitely a shiteness about "modern football". I'm an old git - sue me. Please theese'n. Arse.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 1, 2017 19:10:26 GMT
I was there when Kitson scored his first goal for Stoke in a cup game that went to extra time. It was an absolute belter of a goal too.
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Post by spiderpuss on Mar 1, 2017 19:42:45 GMT
And Carlos Tevez is currently on a 71M contract. Yep modern football is up its arse. I thought lower league teams had to run in profit. So much for that idea.
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Post by Davef on Mar 1, 2017 20:21:00 GMT
I'm very sorry to hear this, I've always enjoyed visits to Brisbane Road. I believe it was Orient fans who came up with the 'Lard' tag for Stokies. The memory of those two last minute goals at the Vic in 1992 always raises a smile. Their fans were going fucking nuts in the Stoke End. Does a winding up order truly mean the end? Yes, the Leyton Orientear reproduced an old ad with a picture of a family with the caption "They're all happy because they eat lard" and put the words "Stoke fans" within the picture. The Vale fanzine cottoned on to it and started calling us "lardies", completely oblivious to the fact that they meant all people from Stoke-on-Trent, hence why the Orientear reproduced the same gag later in the season when they played PVFC, substituting "Stoke" for "Port Vale". The thick twats are still cracking "their joke" 25 years later.
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Post by redstriper on Mar 1, 2017 20:40:02 GMT
if someones got to go can it be notts county please... that way we become the oldest club in the world.
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Post by burge2u on Mar 1, 2017 20:42:04 GMT
Isn't this all our fault ?
As taxpayers we have all subsidised West Ham's new stadium. Their newly found season ticket holders must surely impact upon the ability of Leyton Orient to attract crowds.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 1, 2017 21:29:30 GMT
I can still remember that 2-1 win when we scored twice in injury time. Steino missed a penalty and Beeston hit the bar and it looked like one of those days.
Then they ended our unbeaten run- Ricky Otto was a handful.
Hope they pull out of trouble. Always seemed like a decent club. Didn't they start the 'Lardy' joke that went completely over the Fail's heads?
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Post by shooters on Mar 1, 2017 21:39:05 GMT
Looks a classic case of dirty money in, clean ticket sales, clean catering receipts and clean transfer money out, a bit of emotional funding from bank and ,F.a. for wages and then the tax man told to swing for it. It could also be Text book money laundering for beginners ( also see Birmingham, Portsmouth )..shameful
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 2, 2017 7:01:32 GMT
isnt barry hearne involved with them? Hearn left in 2014. He'd been there nearly 20 years. Didn't he leave following the debacle of wet spam moving to Wembley and he objected as he saw this as their "turf" and fans would drift away over the years. The FA didn't listen so he sold.
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Post by slother on Mar 2, 2017 11:07:58 GMT
Isn't this all our fault ? As taxpayers we have all subsidised West Ham's new stadium. Their newly found season ticket holders must surely impact upon the ability of Leyton Orient to attract crowds. Not really. Our FA's rules clearly state new grounds can't be built within certain distances of existing clubs. Unfortunately, our FA doesn't give a toss about its own rules, so long as Mr Brooking is happy.
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Post by cooper67 on Mar 2, 2017 12:13:19 GMT
Hearn left in 2014. He'd been there nearly 20 years. Didn't he leave following the debacle of wet spam moving to Wembley and he objected as he saw this as their "turf" and fans would drift away over the years. The FA didn't listen so he sold. West Ham moved to the Olympic Stadium not Wembley.I think he argued that they should have had the stadium as they were closest??
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 2, 2017 13:38:20 GMT
Didn't he leave following the debacle of wet spam moving to Wembley and he objected as he saw this as their "turf" and fans would drift away over the years. The FA didn't listen so he sold. West Ham moved to the Olympic Stadium not Wembley.I think he argued that they should have had the stadium as they were closest?? Oops yes Olympic Stadium.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 2, 2017 17:57:27 GMT
Looks like this is more a case of bad management (gone from top of League 1 to League 2 relegation battle after all) than merely just not getting people through the gates.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 2, 2017 19:42:56 GMT
My first ever Stoke game at the Victoria Ground was (according to my memory) Stoke 0-1 Leyton Orient. Would have been about 1993? I've gone through the old results and can't find the specific match at all so it's possible I'm confused. I'm confused quite a lot. Was that the game that Ricky Otto terrorised us? I can't ever remember us losing to Leyton orient at home. Maybe you are thinking of Hartlepool when Lenny johnrose scored at a 40 year old goalkeeper (whose name escapes me) had the game of his life and got 10/10 ratings in all the papers the following day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 19:45:31 GMT
Was that the game that Ricky Otto terrorised us? I can't ever remember us losing to Leyton orient at home. Maybe you are thinking of Hartlepool when Lenny johnrose scored at a 40 year old goalkeeper (whose name escapes me) had the game of his life and got 10/10 ratings in all the papers the following day. 1990/1991 during that shocking run towards the end of the season, lost 2-1 Carl Beeston scored....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 2, 2017 19:50:10 GMT
I can't ever remember us losing to Leyton orient at home. Maybe you are thinking of Hartlepool when Lenny johnrose scored at a 40 year old goalkeeper (whose name escapes me) had the game of his life and got 10/10 ratings in all the papers the following day. 1990/1991 during that shocking run towards the end of the season, lost 2-1 Carl Beeston scored.... I must have blacked that particularly harrowing defeat from my memory bank
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 19:55:52 GMT
Martin Hodge the keeper?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 20:03:52 GMT
He had the game of his life. Didn't he get clapped off by The Boothen at the end?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 20:04:59 GMT
1990/1991 during that shocking run towards the end of the season, lost 2-1 Carl Beeston scored.... I must have blacked that particularly harrowing defeat from my memory bank Don't remember it either to be fair. Vividly remember the 0-3 loss at Cambridge after though when we were utter shit....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 2, 2017 20:15:52 GMT
I must have blacked that particularly harrowing defeat from my memory bank Don't remember it either to be fair. Vividly remember the 0-3 loss at Cambridge after though when we were utter shit.... Indeed. Cambridge, bury and Chester defeats are still in the memory bank but not that Leyton orient one.
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Post by neckender78 on Mar 2, 2017 20:50:34 GMT
Pretty sure they beat us in the Lou title winning season at Brisbane Road which ended our unbeaten run Otto scored
The home game still sticks in my mind a goal down with couple of minutes left steino having a rare mare and missed a penalty I think. 2 goals in 2 minutes and the Vic went mental. God how I miss the Victoria Ground and Mark Stein
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Post by farehampotter on Mar 2, 2017 21:40:43 GMT
Yes they did it was the weekend after Bobby Moore died, it was cold snowy and we lost 1 -0 ending our unbeaten run, worse away day for me and my mate, I had the flu and he had food poisoning, I seem to remember some west ham turning up at the tube station giving it large and being sorted by both sets of fans!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 2, 2017 21:43:00 GMT
It was indeed. Thank you very much. That has been bugging me ever since I mentioned it . Martin Hodge and he played in tracksuit bottoms as well, as sure fire sign that a goalkeeper is absolutely crap!
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