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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 6, 2017 23:50:52 GMT
He produced one of the best performances I have ever seen in a Stoke shirt at Chelsea last season. Completely dominated the midfield and looked like a young Yaya Toure. His attitude seems to be the deciding factor or maybe he's just not settling here no matter how hard we are trying. Think part of the problem is that Yaya expectation that was built up early doors from the showreels etc. Never seemed to be that defensive beast to me. Sure the recruitment wasn't based on that either. We'll see.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2017 0:06:52 GMT
He produced one of the best performances I have ever seen in a Stoke shirt at Chelsea last season. Completely dominated the midfield and looked like a young Yaya Toure. His attitude seems to be the deciding factor or maybe he's just not settling here no matter how hard we are trying. Think part of the problem is that Yaya expectation that was built up early doors from the showreels etc. Never seemed to be that defensive beast to me. Sure the recruitment wasn't based on that either. We'll see. Do you think it was a bit of a strange idea then to field himself, Bojan and Afellay as a midfield three against Wolves?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 7, 2017 0:16:21 GMT
Think part of the problem is that Yaya expectation that was built up early doors from the showreels etc. Never seemed to be that defensive beast to me. Sure the recruitment wasn't based on that either. We'll see. Do you think it was a bit of a strange idea then to field himself, Bojan and Afellay as a midfield three against Wolves? Yes Paul. I said at the time it needed the 343.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2017 0:26:03 GMT
Do you think it was a bit of a strange idea then to field himself, Bojan and Afellay as a midfield three against Wolves? Yes Paul. I said at the time it needed the 343. described by Mark Hughes as being able to play in centre midfield.—"He's a defensive midfielder and he's got a lot of attributes in terms of understanding that role"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giannelli_Imbula
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 7, 2017 0:40:42 GMT
Yes Paul. I said at the time it needed the 343. described by Mark Hughes as being able to play in centre midfield.—"He's a defensive midfielder and he's got a lot of attributes in terms of understanding that role"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giannelli_Imbula
Obviously I know better.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2017 1:03:40 GMT
described by Mark Hughes as being able to play in centre midfield.—"He's a defensive midfielder and he's got a lot of attributes in terms of understanding that role"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giannelli_Imbula
Obviously I know better.
Indeed.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 7, 2017 3:22:29 GMT
He produced one of the best performances I have ever seen in a Stoke shirt at Chelsea last season. Completely dominated the midfield and looked like a young Yaya Toure. His attitude seems to be the deciding factor or maybe he's just not settling here no matter how hard we are trying. Think part of the problem is that Yaya expectation that was built up early doors from the showreels etc. Never seemed to be that defensive beast to me. Sure the recruitment wasn't based on that either. We'll see. Sparky stated in his initial interview/press release that Imbula was a DM who had a great deal of knowledge of the position and could hold onto the ball. None of that turned out to be true.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 7, 2017 3:25:02 GMT
Indeed.
Sorry, Paul, I just said the same thing. I should have read everything first. Of course the (alleged) statement by Hughes was in the Sentnul, so he could have been misquoted. Or maybe they just made it up (fake news, it happens). Somehow I doubt it.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 7, 2017 3:47:22 GMT
Think part of the problem is that Yaya expectation that was built up early doors from the showreels etc. Never seemed to be that defensive beast to me. Sure the recruitment wasn't based on that either. We'll see. Sparky stated in his initial interview/press release that Imbula was a DM who had a great deal of knowledge of the position and could hold onto the ball. None of that turned out to be true. Yeah KU aware of that, Paul posted links above too. What can I say, I said from the off he could be a turbo charged N'Zonzi, the type of player who will need someone to play the Whelan behind him, or at least a complimentary partner who can fill in for when the drives break down. Every game Imbula has played in the Prem it's been with Whelan or in a 3 at the back with a deep lying Adam. Wolves game first half was different and rapidly abandoned. Hughes obviously changed his mind from the first utterances, rightly so it seems. He did say central midfielder though, so it could just be the nuances of semantics.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 7, 2017 7:09:19 GMT
Don't know how to do the link connect thingy, but via the BBC website this morning
Stoke City's £18.3m record signing Giannelli Imbula, 24, wants to quit the Premier League and return to France, with Marseille his most likely destination. (The Sun)
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2017 7:10:41 GMT
Think part of the problem is that Yaya expectation that was built up early doors from the showreels etc. Never seemed to be that defensive beast to me. Sure the recruitment wasn't based on that either. We'll see. Sparky stated in his initial interview/press release that Imbula was a DM who had a great deal of knowledge of the position and could hold onto the ball. None of that turned out to be true. If he really stated that he needs sanctioning, tbf. he does hold on to the ball but for to long.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 15:18:20 GMT
Sparky stated in his initial interview/press release that Imbula was a DM who had a great deal of knowledge of the position and could hold onto the ball. None of that turned out to be true. If he really stated that he needs sanctioning, tbf. he does hold on to the ball but for to long. What sort of sanctions do you have in mind?
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Post by kustokie on Mar 7, 2017 15:42:27 GMT
If he really stated that he needs sanctioning, tbf. he does hold on to the ball but for to long. What sort of sanctions do you have in mind? I'd settle for a knee in the bollox!
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Post by kustokie on Mar 7, 2017 15:58:43 GMT
I am sure nobody feels worse than Hughes about the Imbula and Bojan situations. Both players were big gambles: Bojan turned out great until his injury, Imbula did not. The question the Board is likely debating is can they afford to keep taking these big risks and betting on players that have a less that 50% chance of it paying off. Arni and N'zonzi were other examples of a small risks that paid off on the pitch. Sohbi looks a very good prospect too. Moses was a good acquisition but there was very little chance we could sign him on a permanent basis because he wasn't interested in living outside London. I am very concerned that BMI will go the same way because there are other teams out there that have more to offer in terms of European football and a warmer climate.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 7, 2017 16:12:41 GMT
I am sure nobody feels worse than Hughes about the Imbula and Bojan situations. Both players were big gambles: Bojan turned out great until his injury, Imbula did not. The question the Board is likely debating is can they afford to keep taking these big risks and betting on players that have a less that 50% chance of it paying off. Arni and N'zonzi were other examples of a small risks that paid off on the pitch. Sohbi looks a very good prospect too. Moses was a good acquisition but there was very little chance we could sign him on a permanent basis because he wasn't interested in living outside London. I am very concerned that BMI will go the same way because there are other teams out there that have more to offer in terms of European football and a warmer climate. The club need to secure a high release clause in (an improved) contract for Sobhi asap
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Post by crownmeking on Mar 7, 2017 16:24:14 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Mar 7, 2017 19:41:15 GMT
I am sure nobody feels worse than Hughes about the Imbula and Bojan situations. Both players were big gambles: Bojan turned out great until his injury, Imbula did not. The question the Board is likely debating is can they afford to keep taking these big risks and betting on players that have a less that 50% chance of it paying off. Arni and N'zonzi were other examples of a small risks that paid off on the pitch. Sohbi looks a very good prospect too. Moses was a good acquisition but there was very little chance we could sign him on a permanent basis because he wasn't interested in living outside London. I am very concerned that BMI will go the same way because there are other teams out there that have more to offer in terms of European football and a warmer climate. I don't want a player at the club who is using the weather as a criteria for choosing a club. Porto are in Europe but didn't pick BMI, perhaps they rate him similarly to how many rate Imbula? We have gone way over the top in our assessment of BMI- we should face up to the fact that he is only using SCFC as a means to get a move to the warmer climes of Liverpool/Everton. We made a similar mistake in acquiring Shaq who on his day is brilliant , but whose heart is clearly not in it. Start looking for another Centre Half option other than BMI and hope that Sweeney develops quickly enough to step in during injuries or suspensions. I want to see people who are actually happy to be with us.
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