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Post by thegift on Feb 26, 2017 14:21:32 GMT
I can't quite get my head around this. We never did under Pulis, and still don't under hughes. We may do it for 10 minutes on the odd game, then we just sit back again. Are the players not good enough to do it? Are the players not fit enough to do it? Surely there is a reason for it. We didn't do it against wolves in the cup, we sat off them at home and let them play until they got near our own 18 yard box in which we then tried to make a tackle. It pisses me right off and gives the opposition all the time in the world, we are one of the only teams in the league that i have seen to not put any pressure when they have the ball. Surely you would think the calibre of players we have got now is good enough to do close the opposition down?  |
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Feb 26, 2017 14:24:11 GMT
No pace to do it...whelan n Adams pace from midfield...then run back after! No !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 14:25:12 GMT
No grit, athleticism and presence in midfield.
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Post by cozmick on Feb 26, 2017 14:25:50 GMT
We have zero pace.
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Post by mrrburgundy on Feb 26, 2017 14:26:15 GMT
The only pressing done is Charlie's gut against his shorts.
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Post by thegift on Feb 26, 2017 14:26:18 GMT
No grit, athleticism and presence in midfield. Wouldn't you prefer Afellay and cameron in there instead of whelan and adam? I know i would |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 26, 2017 14:28:42 GMT
we don't have the players,Whelan does not not how to pass the ball forward,the rest just lump it up to Crouch.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 26, 2017 14:29:16 GMT
Because we have no pace and all our players are 85 years old.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 14:29:58 GMT
No grit, athleticism and presence in midfield. Wouldn't you prefer Afellay and cameron in there instead of whelan and adam? I know i would Yep. Whelan reads the game well but can't shepherd/outrun/outpace/strike a ball etc. Charlie can deliver a ball and read the game fairly well - but, well, we all know his shortcomings. We should go with 433 for me: Grant Defence Afellay Allen Cameron Sobhi/Shaq Saido Arnie (With Sohbi/Arnie switching) |
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 26, 2017 14:30:37 GMT
Because, apart from Allen (and today Sobhi) we don't have the players who can press and you need everyone to do it to be effective. Can you really see Crouch, Arni, Shaq, Adam, Whelan, Imbula (do I need to go on?) pressing? Adam and Whelan have been booked because they cannot go near an opponent without drawing a foul; the likes of Alli are too quick and nimble for them.
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Post by Waggy on Feb 26, 2017 14:58:12 GMT
Good question
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 14:58:59 GMT
No grit, athleticism and presence in midfield. This. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 26, 2017 15:00:11 GMT
Just had a nightmare we were totally shit and losing 4 nil , any updates waggy |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 26, 2017 15:00:46 GMT
Great save Granty
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 26, 2017 15:01:37 GMT
No grit, athleticism and presence in midfield. This and the manager needs to address it ASAP |
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Post by Waggy on Feb 26, 2017 15:02:09 GMT
Just had a nightmare we were totally shit and losing 4 nil , any updates waggy We are losing 4 nil and are totally shit. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 26, 2017 15:02:56 GMT
Just had a nightmare we were totally shit and losing 4 nil , any updates waggy We are losing 4 nil and are totally shit. Your kidding me arnt you , your such a tease |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 26, 2017 15:22:40 GMT
Because we can't.
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Post by canadianmoose on Feb 26, 2017 15:33:10 GMT
Not fit enough or young enough!
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 26, 2017 15:35:02 GMT
You can't aply pressure without a decent midfield. Ours is crap.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Feb 26, 2017 17:19:29 GMT
Cos the midfield are fucking bone idle! Whelan and Adam should be consigned to the stands for the rest of the season. Get Cameron Imbula and Affellay back in!
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Post by thegift on Feb 26, 2017 17:24:35 GMT
Cos the midfield are fucking bone idle! Whelan and Adam should be consigned to the stands for the rest of the season. Get Cameron Imbula and Affellay back in! It HAS to be the way the manager is setting the team up If the midfield push up and pressure too high it leaves a massive gap between the defence and midfield. Hughes will not push the defence up as its too slow if the ball is chipped over the top The attackers don't press enough because normally there is only 1 striker and when that striker presses (diouf, walters, bony, whoever really) the midfield are so far behind him its a total waste of energy as they just play round him. That is down to the manager. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 26, 2017 17:33:43 GMT
Pulis is defensive, that was his style but working with a smaller budget than Hughes. I doubt he would ever not just sit deep and try to break.
With Hughes it seems more a fitness issue plus he has signed players he cannot trust so turns to the old guard who are now knocking on a bit .
Needs a big summer shake up mind you it did last summer but didn't get one
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 26, 2017 17:35:39 GMT
Not fit enough or young enough! We don't work hard enough either |
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2017 0:03:54 GMT
Pulis is defensive, that was his style but working with a smaller budget than Hughes. I doubt he would ever not just sit deep and try to break. With Hughes it seems more a fitness issue plus he has signed players he cannot trust so turns to the old guard who are now knocking on a bit . Needs a big summer shake up mind you it did last summer but didn't get one Why would you sign players when you don't trust them? Madness |
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Feb 27, 2017 5:44:00 GMT
Time for change. When teams above all play with fast attacking midfield and wingers and its working for them.why do we think 2 sloaths in defence and 2 oap sloaths in midfield works!! We need greyhounds and pitbulls ! Maybe even crossed !
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Post by daviddunn on Feb 27, 2017 14:52:57 GMT
Muni should play along side Cameron as holding mid fielders
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 27, 2017 15:14:38 GMT
I think there have been times when we have done this.
Pulis teams did it especially when Adi played up top, similarly I thought Mama was good at it.
When Bojan was on form he was actually a surprisingly good tackler.
As to why we don't do it now, I think most have highlighted pace but I also think there's a lack of cohesion running throughout the team.
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Post by MilanStokie on Feb 27, 2017 15:46:11 GMT
To play the pressing game, you need an energetic striker to start the process off.
If you have Peter Crouch (and for the life of me I cannot figure out why the fuck he does this) closes defenders and the keeper down with some form of crab, sideways movement at about 5mph, why would anyone else bother?
Allen is pretty much the only one doing it, which in turn means he is bollocksed at about 30 minutes gone.
Berahino looks like he would press better than anyone else in the squad but has nowhere near the fitness levels to last longer than a half. Diouf therefore is probably the only capable player for this. Afellay would be a good candidate behind him and then Cameron would be needed to continue the process.
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Post by boweryboy on Feb 27, 2017 17:07:38 GMT
Got to agree about Muni getting a chance in front of the back four...
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