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Post by capto on Apr 14, 2017 16:47:02 GMT
I think what you've done here is confuse "the right intentions" i.e. creating world peace, with "American intentions" i.e. creating lots of money for them. Making war is the easiest way to make money on the planet, they've been doing it for decades and is the reason why it's military commanders that largely make the important decisions over there, those decisions are then fed down to the politcians by them and the lobbies who use huge backhanders to ensure they get their wishes granted. Not as if it's any kind of trade secret. I think challenging/stopping countries who are using chemical weapons and countries making nuclear weapons is the right thing to do. America would walk away if others i.e china and russia stepped up and did the job instead. Although they may make money from it, it is a job that needs doing and they do have to play the part as the world police and it is something many countries benefit from. America has not put loony leaders all over the place to give them a reason to go to war have they? Without America this world would be a hostile place to live, and the stability they have bought has given many people what they would class as a good life with endless opportunities no matter what your background. Could you imagine someone like Assad in control of a country like America? They are not perfect by a long shot, but i won't begrudge them for making money from it for the work they do. I'm not sure i can agree that the world is a peaceful place? USA a policeman? Policing in the US is not what I'm used to? US invades Vietnam & destabilises the region - leading to massive human loss of life in adjoining countries. US invades Iraq - ditto If you want that as a way to make money, well, that's your choice - but you can't really then argue when these countries who have been brutalised by the world police launch terror attacks in your back yard? Match of the Day: fighting the corner of the under dog and the small clubs since 1964
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 14, 2017 17:18:37 GMT
The Yanks are by far & away the biggest danger to world peace, they're involved in every conflict taking place around the world & have been since the end of WWII (And we're usually involved, too!)
As for all this shit about Assad, I'm still to see any proof of these chemical weapons used... I'm not saying he definately didn't, but where is the proof?
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Apr 14, 2017 18:12:54 GMT
I think what you've done here is confuse "the right intentions" i.e. creating world peace, with "American intentions" i.e. creating lots of money for them. Making war is the easiest way to make money on the planet, they've been doing it for decades and is the reason why it's military commanders that largely make the important decisions over there, those decisions are then fed down to the politcians by them and the lobbies who use huge backhanders to ensure they get their wishes granted. Not as if it's any kind of trade secret. I think challenging/stopping countries who are using chemical weapons and countries making nuclear weapons is the right thing to do. America would walk away if others i.e china and russia stepped up and did the job instead. Although they may make money from it, it is a job that needs doing and they do have to play the part as the world police and it is something many countries benefit from. America has not put loony leaders all over the place to give them a reason to go to war have they? Without America this world would be a hostile place to live, and the stability they have bought has given many people what they would class as a good life with endless opportunities no matter what your background. Could you imagine someone like Assad in control of a country like America? They are not perfect by a long shot, but i won't begrudge them for making money from it for the work they do. So you're quite sure that is was Assad that used those chemical weapons. From where I'm sitting the only thing that is certain is that many innocents were killed as part of a wider conflict. It's bad enough that you believe the stuff that comes out of the US administration in general, let alone from the proven liar that Trump is. As an aide memoir, remember the evidence of Sadam's weapons of mass destruction?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 23, 2017 17:48:25 GMT
Aye up. The Saudi King names his son as envoy to the US.
Let the paranoia commence :-)
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 23, 2017 17:51:36 GMT
Speaking of Saudi Arabia, I was only glancing over things earlier so I might have mis-read it, but did I see that they've been elected to the UN council of women's rights or summat? ... I'm wondering if I might be 22 days late with that one
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 23, 2017 18:00:30 GMT
The Yanks are by far & away the biggest danger to world peace, they're involved in every conflict taking place around the world & have been since the end of WWII (And we're usually involved, too!) As for all this shit about Assad, I'm still to see any proof of these chemical weapons used... I'm not saying he definately didn't, but where is the proof? Apparently the Intelligence experts in the UK are concerned that British jihadis returning from the Syria could smuggle sarin back as it's so freely available in Syria. That information is a bit of a concern as to who was actually responsible for releasing the chemicals that killed those poor people!!
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Post by Mendicant on Apr 23, 2017 18:12:15 GMT
The Yanks are by far & away the biggest danger to world peace, they're involved in every conflict taking place around the world & have been since the end of WWII (And we're usually involved, too!) As for all this shit about Assad, I'm still to see any proof of these chemical weapons used... I'm not saying he definately didn't, but where is the proof? I suspect it was a fake excuse to fire a few Tomahawks (into the side of mountains in Lebanon...). No damage to the Syrian airbase runway and very little video footage.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 23, 2017 21:17:58 GMT
Speaking of Saudi Arabia, I was only glancing over things earlier so I might have mis-read it, but did I see that they've been elected to the UN council of women's rights or summat? ... I'm wondering if I might be 22 days late with that one Well this is Saudi Arabia launching a "girls' council" without any girls They were in another room on a video link apparently
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 25, 2017 3:47:18 GMT
Trump's made some cracking deals, really terrific. BOOM, he and Ivanka get the Chinese trademark protections they wanted and all they had to do was give up on triggering the congressional investigations into the Yuan. Top stuff.
Mar a Lago is raking it in. He's added $100k to the sign up and US government departments now have to advertise it. Genius.
Oh, and taxpayers are stumping up the millions he needs to go to his resorts every weekend. He's the greatest golfing president ever, really showing Obama how to do it. Looks like he'll spend more tax money in one year than Obama did in 8 and lots of it goes to his own companies. Absolutely tremendous.
Coal voters must be getting sick of winning so much.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 10, 2017 11:39:28 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 10, 2017 12:13:18 GMT
I wonder what he discovered?.
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2017 12:49:33 GMT
I know these things are rarely 'black & white' but this seems an astonishingly brazen (& poorly done) action as part of a cover up by the compelete lunatic that is Donald Trump.
I've heard people say he's not as dumb as he might appear.
Yes he bloody is.
complete dipstick
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Post by murphthesurf on May 10, 2017 12:58:04 GMT
I'm wondering how long it will be before the USA tells Trump the same thing? Can they do that? It keeps going from bad to worse. And that's without even thinking about all the stuff with N. Korea.....
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 10, 2017 13:19:59 GMT
Tricky Dicky Nixon sacked the original Watergate special prosecutor as I recall. What makes this look bad is that the sacking is on the advice of the attorney general who conveniently forgot he met any Russki diplomats during the election campaign whilst lying mis-speaking about it later. They either have something to hide or they are simply incompetent. My money's on both.
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Post by Mendicant on May 10, 2017 19:22:58 GMT
I heard on Infowars a while ago that the rank and file of the FBI didn't like Comey. Conner beat Infowars lads.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 10, 2017 20:07:06 GMT
I heard on Infowars a while ago that the rank and file of the FBI didn't like Comey. Conner beat Infowars lads. No, you seriously can.
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Post by Mendicant on May 10, 2017 20:08:22 GMT
I heard on Infowars a while ago that the rank and file of the FBI didn't like Comey. Conner beat Infowars lads. No, you seriously can. It's orate Infowars is!
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 10, 2017 20:19:23 GMT
Alex Jones has stated he is a "performance artist playing a character" - if you get your news from there it's like taking your view of the world from Ken Barlow or Grant Mitchell.
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Post by Mendicant on May 10, 2017 20:53:16 GMT
Alex Jones has stated he is a "performance artist playing a character" - if you get your news from there it's like taking your view of the world from Ken Barlow or Grant Mitchell. He said that recently in a custody case for his children in response to accusations from his wife's lawyer that his on-screen/radio persona suggested he might be a poor father. I think he called Sandy Hook right...
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Post by mtrstudent on May 10, 2017 21:12:44 GMT
Alex Jones has stated he is a "performance artist playing a character" - if you get your news from there it's like taking your view of the world from Ken Barlow or Grant Mitchell. He said that recently in a custody case for his children in response to accusations from his wife's lawyer that his on-screen/radio persona suggested he might be a poor father. I think he called Sandy Hook right... You think Obama faked the murder of children to steal guns from republicans in Alabama.
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Post by Mendicant on May 10, 2017 21:13:51 GMT
He said that recently in a custody case for his children in response to accusations from his wife's lawyer that his on-screen/radio persona suggested he might be a poor father. I think he called Sandy Hook right... You think Obama faked the murder of children to steal guns from republicans in Alabama. Yes I do.
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 10, 2017 21:19:59 GMT
Bold move by Trump.
Stupid as well.
Will he see out the year?
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Post by mtrstudent on May 11, 2017 5:25:05 GMT
Bold move by Trump. Stupid as well. Will he see out the year? People like Trump don't go without a fight. It has to be done soon before he gets his claws into power properly, after that I can't see him going. It's like Putin or Maduro. And the attacks on the media keep building up - reporter charged and facing jail time for asking politicians questions about healthcare. If they get away with this then it'll become normal to arrest any journalists who question Trump loyalists outside "controlled" situations. And then they'll only be allowed to ask controlled questions. And so on.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 11, 2017 5:26:57 GMT
You think Obama faked the murder of children to steal guns from republicans in Alabama. Yes I do. Well that's crazy - you think that all of the families with their childhood photos etc are all lying too? Did Obama put them in place 10 years before and then just change his mind and decide he didn't want to take away everyone's guns after it all happened? What do you think about other conspiracies? Do Stanley Kubrick fake the Moon Landing? Are all the scientists lying about global warming? Do vaccines cause autism? Is the Royal Family controlling the world drugs trade?
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Post by Mendicant on May 11, 2017 7:26:53 GMT
Well that's crazy - you think that all of the families with their childhood photos etc are all lying too? Did Obama put them in place 10 years before and then just change his mind and decide he didn't want to take away everyone's guns after it all happened? What do you think about other conspiracies? Do Stanley Kubrick fake the Moon Landing? Are all the scientists lying about global warming? Do vaccines cause autism? Is the Royal Family controlling the world drugs trade? Your reply is a common response from someone disagreeing with a conspiracy theory: to associate that theory with some crackpot theories. It's a false equivalence. Any theory in any subject domain requires evidence. There's evidence to support the hoax theory for Sandy Hook: no record of the victims in social security records, the school closed 4 years before the massacre, paramedics were not given access to the school, photographs of a staged evacuation, victims not named in local media nor appearing in FBI crime statistics. It was a staged drill presented as a real life event. You forgot to mention Elvis riding Shergar on the moon.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 11, 2017 15:08:38 GMT
Well that's crazy - you think that all of the families with their childhood photos etc are all lying too? Did Obama put them in place 10 years before and then just change his mind and decide he didn't want to take away everyone's guns after it all happened? What do you think about other conspiracies? Do Stanley Kubrick fake the Moon Landing? Are all the scientists lying about global warming? Do vaccines cause autism? Is the Royal Family controlling the world drugs trade? Your reply is a common response from someone disagreeing with a conspiracy theory: to associate that theory with some crackpot theories. It's a false equivalence. Any theory in any subject domain requires evidence. There's evidence to support the hoax theory for Sandy Hook: no record of the victims in social security records, the school closed 4 years before the massacre, paramedics were not given access to the school, photographs of a staged evacuation, victims not named in media nor appearing in FBI crime statistics. It was a staged drill presented as a real life event. Is there anything that would change your mind?
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Post by Mendicant on May 11, 2017 15:12:30 GMT
Your reply is a common response from someone disagreeing with a conspiracy theory: to associate that theory with some crackpot theories. It's a false equivalence. Any theory in any subject domain requires evidence. There's evidence to support the hoax theory for Sandy Hook: no record of the victims in social security records, the school closed 4 years before the massacre, paramedics were not given access to the school, photographs of a staged evacuation, victims not named in media nor appearing in FBI crime statistics. It was a staged drill presented as a real life event. Is there anything that would change your mind? Yes, good evidence that it actually happened.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 12, 2017 22:25:28 GMT
Is there anything that would change your mind? Yes, good evidence that it actually happened. I know how conspiracies work! You'll ask for "good" evidence, but you'll never say what counts as "good" and you'll constantly move the goal posts. You'll say something like "why did the school close down" and there's no evidence for that either, but you'll either believe it completely or change the subject whenever evidence is shown though. The heartbroken parents of the murdered children have explained over and over again how their kids were slaughtered and shown family photos of them together before the shootings. Do you think they are all lying?
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Post by bathstoke on May 13, 2017 5:18:00 GMT
hes a cnut
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Post by Mendicant on May 13, 2017 7:54:42 GMT
Yes, good evidence that it actually happened. I know how conspiracies work! You'll ask for "good" evidence, but you'll never say what counts as "good" and you'll constantly move the goal posts. You'll say something like "why did the school close down" and there's no evidence for that either, but you'll either believe it completely or change the subject whenever evidence is shown though. The heartbroken parents of the murdered children have explained over and over again how their kids were slaughtered and shown family photos of them together before the shootings. Do you think they are all lying? How do you know what I'll say when I see evidence? "The heartbroken parents of murdured children... my heart bleeds. Nobody died at Sandy Hook. Not only was it a false flag but it was a badly done one. But if mainstream media reported it then it must be true, right?
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