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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 23, 2017 9:15:59 GMT
Anyone else enjoying the BBC's sarcasm campaign since Trump banned them from briefings? They just use his own words, yesterday's speech was described on 5Live as saying it would be a great, great wall and would keep bad people out The ever impartial BBC?
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 23, 2017 10:03:42 GMT
After yesterday's incident in London, I wonder if Trump will now ban cars in America Yes, he will ban the import of cars made in predominantly Muslim countries.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2017 10:53:04 GMT
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 23, 2017 11:58:59 GMT
Trump is playing this one up, but it could ultimately lead to his undoing. Now this is out in the open, there is going to some sort of investigation into what were Trumps people saying to the people under surveillance. If it comes out that Trump himself has spoken to one of these suspect people (I'm assuming they are people with Russian connections), then Trump will be toast.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 24, 2017 2:08:39 GMT
Trump is playing this one up, but it could ultimately lead to his undoing. Now this is out in the open, there is going to some sort of investigation into what were Trumps people saying to the people under surveillance. If it comes out that Trump himself has spoken to one of these suspect people (I'm assuming they are people with Russian connections), then Trump will be toast. I read it as the other way around. Giving some semblance of truth to Trump's claims of being wire tapped.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 24, 2017 19:37:55 GMT
Trump is playing this one up, but it could ultimately lead to his undoing. Now this is out in the open, there is going to some sort of investigation into what were Trumps people saying to the people under surveillance. If it comes out that Trump himself has spoken to one of these suspect people (I'm assuming they are people with Russian connections), then Trump will be toast. I read it as the other way around. Giving some semblance of truth to Trump's claims of being wire tapped. That's spin for you. The only people that think that this news in some way vindicates Trump's allegations are the unthinking masses in the US that believe whatever Trump says. Incidental tapping occurs when a suspect person is being surveilled and a non surveilled person holds a conversation with the suspect version. The fat that it's a Republican that broke this news and a Democrat is reportedly unhappy about this, does also not indicate any support for Trump, if the Republicans want to take Trump down, then "helping" Trump in this way is a good way to do it. The news is out their and who said what to who will eventually come out. This is NOT good news for Trump.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 24, 2017 20:34:05 GMT
I read it as the other way around. Giving some semblance of truth to Trump's claims of being wire tapped. That's spin for you. The only people that think that this news in some way vindicates Trump's allegations are the unthinking masses in the US that believe whatever Trump says. Incidental tapping occurs when a suspect person is being surveilled and a non surveilled person holds a conversation with the suspect version. The fat that it's a Republican that broke this news and a Democrat is reportedly unhappy about this, does also not indicate any support for Trump, if the Republicans want to take Trump down, then "helping" Trump in this way is a good way to do it. The news is out their and who said what to who will eventually come out. This is NOT good news for Trump. Maybe they were still listening to Merkel and taped her congratulatory phone call "Mr Nunes also insisted the collected information was not linked to an FBI investigation into alleged links between the Trump team and Russian officials during the election campaign." Spin indeed.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 25, 2017 12:12:12 GMT
Fails to repeal "ObamaCare".
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/donald-trumps-obamacare-repeal-bill-hangs-balance-republicans2/
This is the fundamental problem with "populism". Ultimately, in the chase for votes, it always promises more than it can deliver. It is doomed to failure.
That, combined with the sense of bitter grievance and victimhood fostered in it's target electorate is a toxic mix. What is likely to follow in the wake of the perceived "betrayals", failure and broken promises of the populists should scare the pants off all of us.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 25, 2017 17:47:03 GMT
I don't think Trump actually wanted that healthcare bill yet. When you take health insurance from 26 million people including millions of your voters it hurts. At least while there's still some functioning democracy around.
Trump has no plan for health care for poor people and he couldn't give less of a shit. He wants 1) tax cuts for his people (millionaires+) 2) more great deals for the Trumps and most importantly 3) power.
This was a loyalty test and will be used to purify the party in the mid terms so that it's more loyal and useful to Trump in future. And it's distracted media coverage from how the Trumps are profiting so much from his presidency, or how he's spent more tax money on travel already than Obama spent in a year.
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 25, 2017 21:37:39 GMT
After yesterday's incident in London, I wonder if Trump will now ban cars in America Yes, he will ban the import of cars made in predominantly Muslim countries. Like the Saudi Quattro with a roof iraq
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 30, 2017 0:29:56 GMT
Anyone else enjoying the BBC's sarcasm campaign since Trump banned them from briefings? They just use his own words, yesterday's speech was described on 5Live as saying it would be a great, great wall and would keep bad people out The ever impartial BBC? I know! Can't believe anyone as consistently right of centre as BBC news would do that, there's hope for them after all.
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 30, 2017 2:51:58 GMT
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2017 7:38:13 GMT
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2017 7:39:16 GMT
I know! Can't believe anyone as consistently right of centre as BBC news would do that, there's hope for them after all.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 30, 2017 8:02:53 GMT
Now a coal company boss is coming out and saying the stuff about coal jobs was lies - it's all about profits for the coal companies. Yet again, it's money for Trump's people, the millionaire+ club. He doesn't give a shit about anyone else. Coal companies are getting relief - they're skipping out on billions in payments for taxpayer-owned coal, for cleaning up the fucking disgusting poisonous mess they've made that kills people, and for looking after coal miners with black lung. Tens of billions of taxpayer cash pouring to their CEOs and shareholders and most of the miners won't get their jobs back because it's cheaper to use a robot to strip mine the Powder River basin in Wyoming than it is to pay West Virginians to dig into the Appalachians. And Trump's orders on global warming yesterday were a disgusting fuck you to everyone who's going to be alive in the future, although he knows his millionaire+ buddies will get along aright, it's just the poor and the young who'll be fucked.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 30, 2017 16:17:39 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 30, 2017 18:03:42 GMT
I know! Can't believe anyone as consistently right of centre as BBC news would do that, there's hope for them after all. In fairness, I think Channel 4 is more anti-Trump and anti-Brexit than the Beeb, now. Sky is shockingly biased, too.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 31, 2017 14:25:41 GMT
Didn't want start a new thread so I'll just chuck it in here as it's kind of related... As Newspaper headlines go this fucker must take some beating in the irony stakes
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 4, 2017 13:54:20 GMT
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Post by duckling on Apr 5, 2017 1:59:10 GMT
As an American I'm fucking ashamed of my country. Let me take that back. I'm fucking ashamed of half of my country.
I'm glad to live in a liberal area.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 6, 2017 22:03:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 22:22:52 GMT
It makes you wonder what russia's involvement in this was too. They have purposely been trying to push buttons for a while now and they could be as guilty as assad.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 6, 2017 22:41:50 GMT
It makes you wonder what russia's involvement in this was too. They have purposely been trying to push buttons for a while now and they could be as guilty as assad. I was thinking that if there was some sort of mutual "understanding" between Putin and Trump it presented a great one off chance to try and "fix" the Middle East as a whole, with both working together for once; and while China is concentrating on Africa and doesn't have a dog in the fight. ie - Kill daesh, impose a joint solution on Syria, knock Saudi/Iranian heads together and finally "solve" Israel/Palestine. The sort of thing Blair tried to sell us before the Iraq war. As it is, it could get hairy if the US targets the Syrians. There are a lot of russkies in residence! It would have to be a "surgical" strike - which is why I'm thinking Tomahawks, and flagged up as a strictly limited one off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 22:57:19 GMT
It makes you wonder what russia's involvement in this was too. They have purposely been trying to push buttons for a while now and they could be as guilty as assad. I was thinking that if there was some sort of mutual "understanding" between Putin and Trump it presented a great one off chance to try and "fix" the Middle East as a whole, with both working together for once; and while China is concentrating on Africa and doesn't have a dog in the fight. ie - Kill daesh, impose a joint solution on Syria, knock Saudi/Iranian heads together and finally "solve" Israel/Palestine. The sort of thing Blair tried to sell us before the Iraq war. As it is, it could get hairy if the US targets the Syrians. There are a lot of russkies in residence! It would have to be a "surgical" strike - which is why I'm thinking Tomahawks, and flagged up as a strictly limited one off. It is quite interesting how Putin will react. If he continues to back assad he is effectively a rogue. He has the chance to move away from assad if he played no part in the chemical attack, and could then become the solution to bringing peace to syria. If russian soldiers are fighting alongside assads army, then America will have to be extra careful if they do strike.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 6, 2017 23:11:27 GMT
I was thinking that if there was some sort of mutual "understanding" between Putin and Trump it presented a great one off chance to try and "fix" the Middle East as a whole, with both working together for once; and while China is concentrating on Africa and doesn't have a dog in the fight. ie - Kill daesh, impose a joint solution on Syria, knock Saudi/Iranian heads together and finally "solve" Israel/Palestine. The sort of thing Blair tried to sell us before the Iraq war. As it is, it could get hairy if the US targets the Syrians. There are a lot of russkies in residence! It would have to be a "surgical" strike - which is why I'm thinking Tomahawks, and flagged up as a strictly limited one off. It is quite interesting how Putin will react. If he continues to back assad he is effectively a rogue. He has the chance to move away from assad if he played no part in the chemical attack, and could then become the solution to bringing peace to syria. If russian soldiers are fighting alongside assads army, then America will have to be extra careful if they do strike. Time will tell no doubt. If the US and Russia can manage to work together though, it makes peace in the region as close as it's ever going to get. Imagine Trump/Putin as joint Nobel Peace prize winners.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Apr 7, 2017 2:08:00 GMT
Here we go. Not surprising, I mean you don't increase military spending unless you plan on starting more wars, and I imagine this is going to bring up Trump's approval ratings big time.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 7, 2017 4:15:07 GMT
Targeted Tomahawk attack {59 missiles} from warships. Talk of beautiful babies and children of God from Trump as he strikes airfields and such in Syria. {Facilities previously used to launch attacks on IS etc}. Fucked up stuff though apparently it's been done in consultation with Russia, although we've been urging a more diplomatic approach.
Is it worth cleaning out the Anderson and dusting off the vhs of 'When the Wind Blows'?
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 7, 2017 5:19:38 GMT
It looks as though the perfect opportunity has landed in his lap early to flex the US muscle. I'm off under the stairs.
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Post by Boothen on Apr 7, 2017 5:56:47 GMT
US backed terrorists moderate rebels attack civilians with Sarin that they liberated from Assad's stockpile, the World blames it on the Assad regime and Trump orders Al-Qaeda's Naval support to level a Syrian air base. An airbase, I might add, that is a major part of the absolute pounding that said US backed terrorists moderate rebels have been on the end of recently. It can't be a coincidence that all this shit happened right as Assad, and his Russian allies (who were actually invited by the legitimate government), were about to take back vast swathes of land and most likely enter the final phase of 'winning' the conflict.
Someone is going to look like a right Muppet when the truth comes out.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Apr 7, 2017 6:21:54 GMT
Trump takes on Assad, Putin lets him do it and then the HUGE US/Russian oil deal that Obama effectively cancelled when he imposed sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine conflict gets to go ahead. Cynical? Moi?
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