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Post by woodstein on Feb 14, 2017 6:33:48 GMT
I see there is so much love in the muslim world after reading that a Pakistan court has banned Valentines day. I know it is a commercialised money making thing but one doesn't need to spend anything to show love to their partner. No doubt someone will defend the ban but it appears there is no joy in their insular culture at times.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 14, 2017 7:35:24 GMT
I see there is so much love in the muslim world after reading that a Pakistan court has banned Valentines day. I know it is a commercialised money making thing but one doesn't need to spend anything to show love to their partner. No doubt someone will defend the ban but it appears there is no joy in their insular culture at times. I can't see La Senza releasing any satin and lace niqabs anytime soon then.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 14, 2017 7:48:43 GMT
Well it is supposed to be a Christian festival
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Post by woodstein on Feb 14, 2017 9:38:30 GMT
Thought someone would defend the loveless, humourless faith. Love has no religion. Have a day of beheadings of infidels instead then.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 14, 2017 10:01:38 GMT
Well it is supposed to be a Christian festival So you'll be okay with us banning Muslim festivals then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 10:14:21 GMT
Say it with Semtex...
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Post by woodstein on Feb 14, 2017 10:26:40 GMT
I note my local muslim owned restaurant provide a Valentines meal deal, at an extra cost as they all do. So its ok if their making money.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 10:34:19 GMT
I note my local muslim owned restaurant provide a Valentines meal deal, at an extra cost as they all do. So its ok if their making money. Or just being open minded about the difference in culture and respecting their client base maybe? Either way I'm not sure why a ban somewhere in Pakistan would/should have any effect on the thoughts/views of British Muslims that live in a completely different culture. Straw-clutching at it's finest.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 14, 2017 10:36:02 GMT
Or just being open minded about the difference in culture and respecting their client base maybe? Either way I'm not sure why a ban somewhere in Pakistan would/should have any effect on the thoughts/views of British Muslims that live in a completely different culture. Straw-clutching at it's finest.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 10:47:10 GMT
Or just being open minded about the difference in culture and respecting their client base maybe? Either way I'm not sure why a ban somewhere in Pakistan would/should have any effect on the thoughts/views of British Muslims that live in a completely different culture. Straw-clutching at it's finest. A 1 minute long edited video that only presents one side of the story, it's just propaganda designed to engineer hatred towards 'them muslims'. Clearly there is no way that different muslims hold different opinions is there, they all think exactly the same and rigidly stick to their views There will be British Muslims that don't agree with Valentines Day and there will be also be others that do. What a complete none story.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 14, 2017 11:03:31 GMT
I was just responding to your post & showing a video that shows that some 'British Muslims' don't have 'a completely different culture'. Namely because Muslims are Muslims first & foremost, the country they live in is of little value or meaning.
Nice to see how easily you dismiss it as meaningless though 'cos it didn't sit right with the "Muslim's are the most tolerant & peaceful people in the World ever" mantra we're forced to believe.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 12:04:54 GMT
I was just responding to your post & showing a video that shows that some 'British Muslims' don't have 'a completely different culture'. Namely because Muslims are Muslims first & foremost, the country they live in is of little value or meaning. Nice to see how easily you dismiss it as meaningless though 'cos it didn't sit right with the "Muslim's are the most tolerant & peaceful people in the World ever" mantra we're forced to believe. Woodstein posted a criticism of his local muslim owned restaurant because his logic seems to be that they are hypocrites chasing money for offering a promotion for Valentines day when mulsims in Pakistan have banned it. Which is just ridiculous. My response, although maybe poorly worded, was that his local restaurant may not have the same views on Valentines as those Muslims in Pakistan because they are in a different culture. I was specifically referring to the muslims that own the local restaurant, who are clearly ok with Valentines hence why they are offering the promotion. I wasn't really generalising that all British Muslims will support Valentines just because they are British, there are large differences of opinion between people from all backgrounds. Your video shows an edited selection of British Muslims giving their opinion on a direct question asked to them about Valentines, it doesn't mean that they're not tolerant or peaceful does it. When we see marches, intimidation towards people buying Valentines cards and demands for Valentines to be banned in this country then come back to me.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Feb 14, 2017 12:25:21 GMT
Hmmmm... Pointless Islam agenda thread and, elsewhere, rather too much interest in dog shit. Oddly familiar.
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Post by woodstein on Feb 14, 2017 13:01:12 GMT
I was just responding to your post & showing a video that shows that some 'British Muslims' don't have 'a completely different culture'. Namely because Muslims are Muslims first & foremost, the country they live in is of little value or meaning. Nice to see how easily you dismiss it as meaningless though 'cos it didn't sit right with the "Muslim's are the most tolerant & peaceful people in the World ever" mantra we're forced to believe. Woodstein posted a criticism of his local muslim owned restaurant because his logic seems to be that they are hypocrites chasing money for offering a promotion for Valentines day when mulsims in Pakistan have banned it. Which is just ridiculous. My response, although maybe poorly worded, was that his local restaurant may not have the same views on Valentines as those Muslims in Pakistan because they are in a different culture. I was specifically referring to the muslims that own the local restaurant, who are clearly ok with Valentines hence why they are offering the promotion. I wasn't really generalising that all British Muslims will support Valentines just because they are British, there are large differences of opinion between people from all backgrounds. Your video shows an edited selection of British Muslims giving their opinion on a direct question asked to them about Valentines, it doesn't mean that they're not tolerant or peaceful does it. When we see marches, intimidation towards people buying Valentines cards and demands for Valentines to be banned in this country then come back to me. You've got it wrong Rick, I wasn't criticising the , I gave visited it, I was just stating that some of them welcome western events which is what we all want for a more tolerant society. I stated that all places up the prices for such events not just them. But back in Pakistan there may be some of the few non Muslims who would like to celebrate such things but either are forbidden from or dare not.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 14, 2017 13:29:24 GMT
Well it is supposed to be a Christian festival So you'll be okay with us banning Muslim festivals then? I'm giving up grog for Lent, so there's no way I'll be doing Ramadan-A-Ding-Dong!
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Post by thevoid on Feb 14, 2017 13:36:39 GMT
I can't see the Koran Sutra being a best seller.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 13:54:13 GMT
Woodstein posted a criticism of his local muslim owned restaurant because his logic seems to be that they are hypocrites chasing money for offering a promotion for Valentines day when mulsims in Pakistan have banned it. Which is just ridiculous. My response, although maybe poorly worded, was that his local restaurant may not have the same views on Valentines as those Muslims in Pakistan because they are in a different culture. I was specifically referring to the muslims that own the local restaurant, who are clearly ok with Valentines hence why they are offering the promotion. I wasn't really generalising that all British Muslims will support Valentines just because they are British, there are large differences of opinion between people from all backgrounds. Your video shows an edited selection of British Muslims giving their opinion on a direct question asked to them about Valentines, it doesn't mean that they're not tolerant or peaceful does it. When we see marches, intimidation towards people buying Valentines cards and demands for Valentines to be banned in this country then come back to me. You've got it wrong Rick, I wasn't criticising the , I gave visited it, I was just stating that some of them welcome western events which is what we all want for a more tolerant society. I stated that all places up the prices for such events not just them. But back in Pakistan there may be some of the few non Muslims who would like to celebrate such things but either are forbidden from or dare not. I know it can be difficult at times to effectively make a written point but I really don't get why you said "So its ok if their making money". It seems like you think the reason the muslims in your local restaurant are ok with Valentines is because they can make money from it. It reads like a cynical criticism.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 14, 2017 14:49:04 GMT
It's an obvious double standard that has rightly been pointed out.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 14:55:55 GMT
It's an obvious double standard that has rightly been pointed out. Care to expand?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 14, 2017 15:03:11 GMT
It's an obvious double standard that has rightly been pointed out. Can't be arsed, Rick. Too tired after a 12 hour night shift in a residential care home carrying another "hard working immigrant" who think it's ok to sleep for 9 of them. I go home fucked, he goes home refreshed for a shift on the taxis. It happened in my last place, too. Tired of hearing cliches about how wonderful they are; I've seen them in inaction!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 15:06:40 GMT
It's an obvious double standard that has rightly been pointed out. Can't be arsed, Rick. Too tired after a 12 hour night shift in a residential care home carrying another "hard working immigrant" who think it's ok to sleep for 9 of them. I go home fucked, he goes home refreshed for a shift on the taxis. It happened in my last place, too. Tired of hearing cliches about how wonderful they are; I've seen them in inaction! Why not raise it to your line manager then so something gets done about it?? I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's lazy bastards from all countries the world over....
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 14, 2017 15:12:15 GMT
Can't be arsed, Rick. Too tired after a 12 hour night shift in a residential care home carrying another "hard working immigrant" who think it's ok to sleep for 9 of them. I go home fucked, he goes home refreshed for a shift on the taxis. It happened in my last place, too. Tired of hearing cliches about how wonderful they are; I've seen them in inaction! Why not raise it to your line manager then so something gets done about it?? I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's lazy bastards from all countries the world over.... I have done. The net result was another shift with the cunt, hearing how he thought he was being victimized. He tried to play the race card, but I pointed out that the manager's ex was from Africa. I know there are lazy bastards all over, I just hate it when politicians make out all immigrants are grafters when I know loads of them are bone!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 14, 2017 15:26:01 GMT
so it's gone from "pakistan ban it" to "All Muslims everywhere are against Valentine's day?"
typical oatcake bullshit from the hard of thinking usual suspects..particularly given the fact that the Islamabad high court has no jurisdiction beyond the city so, no it HASN'T been banned in all of Pakistan, merely the capital.
they actually enforced a similar decision last year (but it didn't make as good copy because the nation weren't all fucking Islamophobes back then) in Islamabad with the poice being instructed to enforce the ban on Valentine's celebrations. In reality however, they did fuck all and people celebrated as usual.
Non-story jumped upon by the usual crew (who openly denounce MSM yet are more than happy to post fucking twitter vids as some kind of evidence of the shit they spout...because MSM is bad but literally EVERYTHING put on twitter is gospel guv!) as an excuse to somehow slate UK Muslims because of something going on in Pakistan. the lack of intellect on this board beggars belief at times!
Personally i don't celebrate Valentine's because i'm not a gullible prick swallowed up in Americanised commercialism...suppose i'd best make my own way to Guantanamo then eh?
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Post by woodstein on Feb 14, 2017 17:58:11 GMT
Its not just Valentines anyway. Muslims frown upon folk who kiss, cuddle and even hold hands in public and not just in Islamabad. Love and peace man.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 18:06:36 GMT
I'm with the Muslims with regards to valentines day but for me it's not because I believe celebrating the "holiday" puts my chances of surviving my own death in jeopardy but more to do with the fact I'm a right ugly cunt.
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Post by manmarking on Feb 14, 2017 18:18:16 GMT
so it's gone from "pakistan ban it" to "All Muslims everywhere are against Valentine's day?" typical oatcake bullshit from the hard of thinking usual suspects..particularly given the fact that the Islamabad high court has no jurisdiction beyond the city so, no it HASN'T been banned in all of Pakistan, merely the capital. they actually enforced a similar decision last year (but it didn't make as good copy because the nation weren't all fucking Islamophobes back then) in Islamabad with the poice being instructed to enforce the ban on Valentine's celebrations. In reality however, they did fuck all and people celebrated as usual. Non-story jumped upon by the usual crew (who openly denounce MSM yet are more than happy to post fucking twitter vids as some kind of evidence of the shit they spout...because MSM is bad but literally EVERYTHING put on twitter is gospel guv!) as an excuse to somehow slate UK Muslims because of something going on in Pakistan. the lack of intellect on this board beggars belief at times! Personally i don't celebrate Valentine's because i'm not a gullible prick swallowed up in Americanised commercialism...suppose i'd best make my own way to Guantanamo then eh? A bit long but absolutely superb. Like my dick
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 15, 2017 8:07:42 GMT
so it's gone from "pakistan ban it" to "All Muslims everywhere are against Valentine's day?" typical oatcake bullshit from the hard of thinking usual suspects..particularly given the fact that the Islamabad high court has no jurisdiction beyond the city so, no it HASN'T been banned in all of Pakistan, merely the capital. they actually enforced a similar decision last year (but it didn't make as good copy because the nation weren't all fucking Islamophobes back then) in Islamabad with the poice being instructed to enforce the ban on Valentine's celebrations. In reality however, they did fuck all and people celebrated as usual. Non-story jumped upon by the usual crew (who openly denounce MSM yet are more than happy to post fucking twitter vids as some kind of evidence of the shit they spout...because MSM is bad but literally EVERYTHING put on twitter is gospel guv!) as an excuse to somehow slate UK Muslims because of something going on in Pakistan. the lack of intellect on this board beggars belief at times! Personally i don't celebrate Valentine's because i'm not a gullible prick swallowed up in Americanised commercialism...suppose i'd best make my own way to Guantanamo then eh? A bit long but absolutely superb. Like my dick Superb? It was classic Mick being his usual condescending self & ranting away I remember when Mick used to think I was intelligent like him, but this was of course when I shared the same opinions as him, 'cos as we all know, someone with such high intellect as Mick is always right about everything. I'm now lacking in intellect & am Islamophobic purely for posting a video, a fucking video! I mean, it's not as if the video was in responce to someone stating how British Muslims are 'completely different' to Pakistani Muslims; and my video just happened to show some British muslims sharing the exact opinions the OP was on about or anything. Islamophobic for daring to post a video... I wonder what kind of condescending rant I'll get for having the temerity of replying. I'll no doubt get both barrels & be a sexist, Jew-hating homophobe... Oh no wait, that's Muslims
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 15, 2017 9:55:40 GMT
A bit long but absolutely superb. Like my dick Superb? It was classic Mick being his usual condescending self & ranting away I remember when Mick used to think I was intelligent like him, but this was of course when I shared the same opinions as him, 'cos as we all know, someone with such high intellect as Mick is always right about everything. I'm now lacking in intellect & am Islamophobic purely for posting a video, a fucking video! I mean, it's not as if the video was in responce to someone stating how British Muslims are 'completely different' to Pakistani Muslims; and my video just happened to show some British muslims sharing the exact opinions the OP was on about or anything. Islamophobic for daring to post a video... I wonder what kind of condescending rant I'll get for having the temerity of replying. I'll no doubt get both barrels & be a sexist, Jew-hating homophobe... Oh no wait, that's Muslims The video i mentioned was directed at you TDC (the Islamaphobia comments etc. weren't) because you are King of dismissing any evidence by anyone as merely "MSM" (and therefore can't be trusted) then happily display bloody twitter videos to back up your own argument (which literally anyone on the planet can upload without any verification, examination of facts and almost exclusively only ever pertain to one side of the story) as if they're indisputable proof of something. It's embarrassing really. You really have turned into the type of internet troll who insists that if anyone puts up evidence that disagrees with you, you can just dismiss it with no real justification other than "Can't believe that it's MSM..not going to deconstruct their arguments or even attempt to counter them. Let's just say 3 magic letters MSM and automatically it no longer matters. But here's a snippet i found on the internet I agree with so suck it up, it's 100% fact! If i seem condescending (which isn't my intention so apologies if it came across like that), it's precisely because i know you're an intelligent bloke and expect far better than that "One side of the story, unbalanced, only post "proof" if it backs me up and just dismiss anything else with no real reasoning" tack you now seem to take. I have NO issues with your opinions whatsoever (i'm the one that said that despite what i think of Trump, trying to ban him from coming here is complete hypocrisy from those who believe in freedom of speech etc. I'm al for everyone having their opinion whether i agree with it or not), i just think it's poor for you to constantly not even listen to ANY other opinion on these matters because everything anyone else posts you just dismiss completely. It's not debate or discussion you engage in nowadays, it's simply tunnel visioned, conspiracy theory laden, baseless ranting mostly where you've decided that because "MSM" do at times undoubtedly spin stories/report halves of a story/ report fake news, then therefore EVERYTHING they report is a lie which is a complete false logic....but you apparently can use anything off twitter or youtube as indisputable fact for some reason. When it comes to patronising mate, you've turned into the Don! "Everything i post is fact and cannot be questioned, if someone posts something to dispute it then you're just silly little sheep sucked in by the media and have no brains of your own. Aren't you all silly little boys". It's an extremely arrogant stance to take and one that pretty much immediately lessens the message you're trying to get across. It's like the idiots on facebook comments nowadays, "Can't actually reason properly or come up with specifics as to why you're wrong so i'll just call you a leftie libtard snowflake then disappear feeling all superior and self-righteous". If you want to prove someone wrong in a discussion, then engage with them, counter their points and put forward your own viewpoint. Don't just accuse them of being sheep who are blind to the evils of MSM and somehow only you have noticed the real truth.
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Post by Gods on Feb 15, 2017 10:03:35 GMT
so it's gone from "pakistan ban it" to "All Muslims everywhere are against Valentine's day?" typical oatcake bullshit from the hard of thinking usual suspects..particularly given the fact that the Islamabad high court has no jurisdiction beyond the city so, no it HASN'T been banned in all of Pakistan, merely the capital. they actually enforced a similar decision last year (but it didn't make as good copy because the nation weren't all fucking Islamophobes back then) in Islamabad with the poice being instructed to enforce the ban on Valentine's celebrations. In reality however, they did fuck all and people celebrated as usual. Non-story jumped upon by the usual crew (who openly denounce MSM yet are more than happy to post fucking twitter vids as some kind of evidence of the shit they spout...because MSM is bad but literally EVERYTHING put on twitter is gospel guv!) as an excuse to somehow slate UK Muslims because of something going on in Pakistan. the lack of intellect on this board beggars belief at times! Personally i don't celebrate Valentine's because i'm not a gullible prick swallowed up in Americanised commercialism...suppose i'd best make my own way to Guantanamo then eh? Well either that or you couldn't get a date
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 15, 2017 10:47:13 GMT
so it's gone from "pakistan ban it" to "All Muslims everywhere are against Valentine's day?" typical oatcake bullshit from the hard of thinking usual suspects..particularly given the fact that the Islamabad high court has no jurisdiction beyond the city so, no it HASN'T been banned in all of Pakistan, merely the capital. they actually enforced a similar decision last year (but it didn't make as good copy because the nation weren't all fucking Islamophobes back then) in Islamabad with the poice being instructed to enforce the ban on Valentine's celebrations. In reality however, they did fuck all and people celebrated as usual. Non-story jumped upon by the usual crew (who openly denounce MSM yet are more than happy to post fucking twitter vids as some kind of evidence of the shit they spout...because MSM is bad but literally EVERYTHING put on twitter is gospel guv!) as an excuse to somehow slate UK Muslims because of something going on in Pakistan. the lack of intellect on this board beggars belief at times! Personally i don't celebrate Valentine's because i'm not a gullible prick swallowed up in Americanised commercialism...suppose i'd best make my own way to Guantanamo then eh? Well either that or you couldn't get a date yeah...that too i tried, but instead of just saying "Would you like to go to dinner?" it ended up being a half hour monologue that went on far longer than it needed to be, where i covered the same point about 30 times with slightly different wording until she got bored and walked off it would appear that the only time i can be short, sharp and to the point is when i'm in the sack!
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