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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 14, 2017 11:57:53 GMT
Your taking the piss surely Your problem is you're being results orientated and allowing your emotions to form your judgement. If Bojan hadn't got injured I very much doubt you would've criticised the selection at the time, and if we had played a weakened team and lost you almost certainly would've criticised the management, as most of us would have. We were absolutely correct to play a strong team in that game. For a club like ours The FA Cup offers the most realistic hope of glory. Playing a weakened side vs an in-form lower-league team who were highly inspired and motivated would've been a very poor decision. Like I said in my previous post, 1-4 flattered us. I think you are being results orientated once more in believing that it was a stroll in the park. Don't think any other prem manager would have risked there star player against a shitty lower league side
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Post by Roland the Thompson Gunner on Jan 14, 2017 12:09:02 GMT
Everyone has different opinions and views, that's fine. Trouserdog wasn't attacking that, he was attacking the cringeworthy attitudes of some of our supporters towards small clubs, as demonstrated in this thread already. This shitty big-time charlie attitude that completely disregards the depths we have sunk in fairly recent history. It's the sort of attitude we used to venomously despise. If nothing else it's sheer hypocrisy, sort of like how Man City always used to despise Man United because they subconsciously wanted to be Man United. To be honest you completely missed the point of his post. You've completely missed the point of my post because you're telling people how they must feel about this that and the other, giving it the the royal "we" just the same as he was. I don't despise the fans of any other club any more than any other, I don't despise people who follow a successful side because quite consciously I want our club to be a successful side. You can revel in being little old Stoke if you want, maybe the difference is despite the fact I've been there too I accepted it but didn't revel in it. There is a section of our support who would drag things back to a hardcore of support of around 10,000 because the support was better then we "the royal we" were better, louder, all thought alike. Its complete bullshit "we" stood anywhere we wanted on open terraces, therefore friends and likeminded individuals congregated in the same areas "we" didn't really come into contact with the other people so in "we's" mind they weren't there now they're sitting behind "we", infront of "we" and even sometimes beside "we" even posting things we don't like on messageboards. They're different to "we" they think differently, behave differently and "we" don't like them, they weren't there before they're JCL wankers. Its all bullshit when you gather together people in the thousands you're going to get a wide variety of personalities, the uncomfortable truth for a lot of you is there is no "royal we" and there never has been. Absolutely right, Alster, but you have to remember that anyone who doesn't attend every home and away game or stay in their seat until the players come out to warm down and also doesn't sing at the top of their voice for at least 90 minutes, is a shit fan and has no right to an opinion.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 14, 2017 12:09:56 GMT
Still depresses me that one of our most skilful players was exposed to the potential risk of a kick and rush FA Cup tie away at a lower league ground. To me the injury was a disaster waiting to happen. Did we not learn anything from the loss of Peter Hoekstra in a similar situation in an FA Cup game at Halifax? The parallel seems uncanny as Peter was badly injured and although returning after a lengthy absence he never really had the same presence and impact after the event. The early rounds of the Cup are more often than not likely to involve fairly physical battles that are about enthusiasm and hustle rather than contests of skill and finesse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 12:10:56 GMT
Your problem is you're being results orientated and allowing your emotions to form your judgement. If Bojan hadn't got injured I very much doubt you would've criticised the selection at the time, and if we had played a weakened team and lost you almost certainly would've criticised the management, as most of us would have. We were absolutely correct to play a strong team in that game. For a club like ours The FA Cup offers the most realistic hope of glory. Playing a weakened side vs an in-form lower-league team who were highly inspired and motivated would've been a very poor decision. Like I said in my previous post, 1-4 flattered us. I think you are being results orientated once more in believing that it was a stroll in the park. Don't think any other prem manager would have risked there star player against a shitty lower league side I remember the game well. After Bojan went off Rochdale had a spell of dominance and if it wasn't for some great goalkeeping from Butland and a missed 1-on-1 then Rochdale could've quite easily equalised, if not better. A "shitty lower league side" they most certainly were not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 12:25:26 GMT
Everyone has different opinions and views, that's fine. Trouserdog wasn't attacking that, he was attacking the cringeworthy attitudes of some of our supporters towards small clubs, as demonstrated in this thread already. This shitty big-time charlie attitude that completely disregards the depths we have sunk in fairly recent history. It's the sort of attitude we used to venomously despise. If nothing else it's sheer hypocrisy, sort of like how Man City always used to despise Man United because they subconsciously wanted to be Man United. To be honest you completely missed the point of his post. You've completely missed the point of my post because you're telling people how they must feel about this that and the other, giving it the the royal "we" just the same as he was. I don't despise the fans of any other club any more than any other, I don't despise people who follow a successful side because quite consciously I want our club to be a successful side. You can revel in being little old Stoke if you want, maybe the difference is despite the fact I've been there too I accepted it but didn't revel in it. There is a section of our support who would drag things back to a hardcore of support of around 10,000 because the support was better then we "the royal we" were better, louder, all thought alike. Its complete bullshit "we" stood anywhere we wanted on open terraces, therefore friends and likeminded individuals congregated in the same areas "we" didn't really come into contact with the other people so in "we's" mind they weren't there now they're sitting behind "we", infront of "we" and even sometimes beside "we" even posting things we don't like on messageboards. They're different to "we" they think differently, behave differently and "we" don't like them, they weren't there before they're JCL wankers. Its all bullshit when you gather together people in the thousands you're going to get a wide variety of personalities, the uncomfortable truth for a lot of you is there is no "royal we" and there never has been. The disparaging attitude shown towards Rochdale embarrasses me and makes me cringe. I think it should be criticised because I'm under the belief that a football club is a collective and therefore, an attitude displayed by a fellow supporter of Stoke City that makes me uncomfortable also reflects badly on me by association. I have no problem with a difference of opinion or outlooks but if one is expressed that I vehemently disagree with, them I feel fully in my rights to criticise in the hopes that my criticism might make a difference, if not to the person making those remarks then to anyone else who might read my reply.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 14, 2017 13:03:22 GMT
Can't believe some of the arrogant bullshit being written here. It's embarrassing that someone is complaining about us putting a strong team out in an FA Cup tie. 'The mighty Rochdale'- yeah, just like the mighty Tamworth, the mighty Telford, the mighty fucking Nuneaton Borough. This is the kind of Jonny-come-lately shit you'd read from Tarquin and Rupert on an Arsenal forum. There's more and more of it creeping onto this messageboard though. I'm not saying it's new fans who've been brainwashed by the Premier League mentality because it probably isn't; there's a lot of old fans who seem to have forgotten what football's all about. Sad. Football is all about different things to different people, you can't force your version down everyones throat. For me football is about excitement, entertainment it needs to be fast paced and fairly open with plenty of goals and a good level of skills. For others its about nothing more than winning or losing however you get there, they want organisation and hard work over flair, they prefer caution to cavalier. Its virtually impossible to satisfy everyone so why not just say each to his own and stop portraying yourself as a better fan its rife on here people making out they're some sort of superfan and anyone who does things differently or has a different opinion is a JCL, its complete bullshit. Alight, each to their own. Trust that'll be the last time you ever post an opinion then?
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Post by Davef on Jan 14, 2017 13:10:06 GMT
Ricardo Fuller snapped his Achilles tendon at Villa Park, Odemwingie ruptured his ACL at the Etihad and Mame Sidibe ruptured his ACL at Stoke, all under no challenge. All on three of the best pitches in the country.
Shit happens.
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Post by alster on Jan 14, 2017 13:10:27 GMT
Football is all about different things to different people, you can't force your version down everyones throat. For me football is about excitement, entertainment it needs to be fast paced and fairly open with plenty of goals and a good level of skills. For others its about nothing more than winning or losing however you get there, they want organisation and hard work over flair, they prefer caution to cavalier. Its virtually impossible to satisfy everyone so why not just say each to his own and stop portraying yourself as a better fan its rife on here people making out they're some sort of superfan and anyone who does things differently or has a different opinion is a JCL, its complete bullshit. Alight, each to their own. Trust that'll be the last time you ever post an opinion then? I don't slag other fans off and make out I'm a better supporter because they have different opinions from mine theres a difference. I'll argue, debate or leave them to their own. I've been going 35 years or more, I've never been a hardcore ultra, I've never been very noisy and I've never been very tribal so I know that not everyone who doesn't fit into a certain group is a JCL wanker.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 14, 2017 13:27:56 GMT
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 14, 2017 13:36:01 GMT
Alight, each to their own. Trust that'll be the last time you ever post an opinion then? I don't slag other fans off and make out I'm a better supporter because they have different opinions from mine theres a difference. I'll argue, debate or leave them to their own. I've been going 35 years or more, I've never been a hardcore ultra, I've never been very noisy and I've never been very tribal so I know that not everyone who doesn't fit into a certain group is a JCL wanker. Well, doesn't that just make you a great guy. I'm not attacking an individual supporter or making myself out to better than anyone- I'm attacking an attitude that has permeated into the game over the last 20 years- the disparaging attitude that some fans of Premier League teams hold towards smaller clubs and domestic cup competitions. It's not the sort of thing that we- as fans of a club who spent 23 years as a (mostly) crap side- should be coming out with. If you're happy to let this kind of thing pass, well done you. I find it disappointing that people who should know better come out with this sort of stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 13:38:53 GMT
I don't slag other fans off and make out I'm a better supporter because they have different opinions from mine theres a difference. I'll argue, debate or leave them to their own. I've been going 35 years or more, I've never been a hardcore ultra, I've never been very noisy and I've never been very tribal so I know that not everyone who doesn't fit into a certain group is a JCL wanker. Well, doesn't that just make you a great guy. I'm not attacking an individual supporter or making myself out to better than anyone- I'm attacking an attitude that has permeated into the game over the last 20 years- the disparaging attitude that some fans of Premier League teams hold towards smaller clubs and domestic cup competitions. It's not the sort of thing that we- as fans of a club who spent 23 years as a (mostly) crap side- should be coming out with. If you're happy to let this sort of stuff pass, well done you. I find it disappointing that people who should know better come out with this sort of stuff. I agree 100%. While we need to push on to bigger and better things, after all there is absolutely nothing wrong with ambition we should never ever forget where we were and where we came from.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jan 14, 2017 13:55:55 GMT
If he hadn't got injured I really think we could have made the top 7 or higher that season. He was flying, so full of confidence and skill, which lifted the rest of the team. It may be some time before one individual, bought for peanuts, has that effect on us again. I know this is the genreal consensus but to be honest Bojan is not injured now and hasn't been for some time. I love him like everyone else but to be honest he needs to take responsibility for his current form. Bojan's form my well have dipped anyway. It did at Barcelona and Ajax and Roma. I still hope he can turn it around but at what point is he labelled a wonder kid who didn't reach his potential?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 14:02:36 GMT
Owen would have done a great job for us, if was given more games.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 14, 2017 14:52:00 GMT
Can't believe some of the arrogant bullshit being written here. It's embarrassing that someone is complaining about us putting a strong team out in an FA Cup tie. 'The mighty Rochdale'- yeah, just like the mighty Tamworth, the mighty Telford, the mighty fucking Nuneaton Borough. This is the kind of Jonny-come-lately shit you'd read from Tarquin and Rupert on an Arsenal forum. There's more and more of it creeping onto this messageboard though. I'm not saying it's new fans who've been brainwashed by the Premier League mentality because it probably isn't; there's a lot of old fans who seem to have forgotten what football's all about. Sad. Football is all about different things to different people, you can't force your version down everyones throat. For me football is about excitement, entertainment it needs to be fast paced and fairly open with plenty of goals and a good level of skills. For others its about nothing more than winning or losing however you get there, they want organisation and hard work over flair, they prefer caution to cavalier. Its virtually impossible to satisfy everyone so why not just say each to his own and stop portraying yourself as a better fan its rife on here people making out they're some sort of superfan and anyone who does things differently or has a different opinion is a JCL, its complete bullshit. Neither can you, but that doesn't stop you from trying!
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 14, 2017 16:00:07 GMT
Don't think any other prem manager would have risked there star player against a shitty lower league side I remember the game well. After Bojan went off Rochdale had a spell of dominance and if it wasn't for some great goalkeeping from Butland and a missed 1-on-1 then Rochdale could've quite easily equalised, if not better. A "shitty lower league side" they most certainly were not. They raise there game like all lower league sides
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 16:02:24 GMT
He's a fantastic player and to suggest we get rid is just daft.
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