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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 27, 2016 22:27:47 GMT
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Aston Villa, Bournemouth, Burnley, Hull, Newcastle, Norwich, Sunderland, Swansea, Watford x2, West Ham
3 v relegated sides, 3 v sides currently in the bottom 3
Not good enough.
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Post by stokie77 on Dec 27, 2016 22:38:59 GMT
Was thinking about this the other day and I cannot remember us beating anyone any good for a long time.Give Hughes his credit he has in the past but the past has long gone now.Like some of our players legs long gone and the fitness seems to be below what it should be.Hughes is responsible so he needs to dig deep and find something because like you I've had enough.
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Post by march4 on Dec 27, 2016 22:41:48 GMT
There is no way Hughes should stay at the club beyond this season.
I would have given him the boot months ago and would still do so tonight if a replacement could come in straight away to assess the squad and use the transfer window sensibly.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 27, 2016 22:43:38 GMT
There is no way Hughes should stay at the club beyond this season. I would have given him the boot months ago and would still do so tonight if a replacement could come in straight away to assess the squad and use the transfer window sensibly. Who???
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Dec 27, 2016 22:43:48 GMT
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Post by stokie77 on Dec 27, 2016 22:43:48 GMT
Could not agree more.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 27, 2016 22:48:50 GMT
That is a pretty damning statistic
Coupled with the paucity of wins too then this has been a very poor Calendar year for us
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Dec 27, 2016 22:51:57 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 27, 2016 22:51:57 GMT
There is no way Hughes should stay at the club beyond this season. I would have given him the boot months ago and would still do so tonight if a replacement could come in straight away to assess the squad and use the transfer window sensibly. This will be his last season as our manager
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Post by Gods on Dec 27, 2016 22:52:24 GMT
It is extraordinairy to go through an entire calendar year and actually do okay and yet at the end of it not have even one stand out win to throw your hat on...just piss off 2016
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Post by stantheman on Dec 28, 2016 8:10:24 GMT
Premier League Aston Villa, Bournemouth, Burnley, Hull, Newcastle, Norwich, Sunderland, Swansea, Watford x2, West Ham 3 v relegated sides, 3 v sides currently in the bottom 3 Not good enough. That is a depressing list. I thought it was bad, but not that bad. And the problem is that I cant see it changing. Gone are the days when 'big' teams wouldn't fancy taking us on, particularly at home. We're an easy 3 points for them these days
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 8:12:57 GMT
There is no way Hughes should stay at the club beyond this season. I would have given him the boot months ago and would still do so tonight if a replacement could come in straight away to assess the squad and use the transfer window sensibly. Who??? Big Stan Ternent is the man for March, with Harry Bassett as Director of Football and John "Snoz" Sillett as Head of Recruitment....
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Dec 28, 2016 8:18:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 8:18:26 GMT
2016 certainly hasn't been a vintage year but are we also saying it's not just about accumulating points but who you get them against now as well? If you'd have looked back on our previous 12 months form a few weeks ago Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd would have been on the list.....
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Post by wuzza on Dec 28, 2016 8:54:27 GMT
2016 certainly hasn't been a vintage year but are we also saying it's not just about accumulating points but who you get them against now as well? If you'd have looked back on our previous 12 months form a few weeks ago Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd would have been on the list..... I think that's slightly the point though - things generally appear to be going backwards and there is no clear sign of a path forwards. We bumble on from game to game never really knowing what to expect other than the relative certainty that we will never grab it by the throat and dominate for 90 minutes. The whole thing feels like a bit of a chore this year and it hasn't been at all enjoyable.
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Dec 28, 2016 9:02:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 9:02:02 GMT
2016 certainly hasn't been a vintage year but are we also saying it's not just about accumulating points but who you get them against now as well? If you'd have looked back on our previous 12 months form a few weeks ago Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd would have been on the list..... I think that's slightly the point though - things generally appear to be going backwards and there is no clear sign of a path forwards. We bumble on from game to game never really knowing what to expect other than the relative certainty that we will never grab it by the throat and dominate for 90 minutes. The whole thing feels like a bit of a chore this year and it hasn't been at all enjoyable. In the Premier League you never really know what to expect though, any team can beat any other on any given day. In context I still think you can look to injuries last season in the last couple of months as a factor in some of our defeats, the poor start this season was certainly frustrating but 3 defeats in 13 including Arsenal and Liverpool away doesn't constitute a crisis in my book....
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Post by wuzza on Dec 28, 2016 9:11:17 GMT
I think that's slightly the point though - things generally appear to be going backwards and there is no clear sign of a path forwards. We bumble on from game to game never really knowing what to expect other than the relative certainty that we will never grab it by the throat and dominate for 90 minutes. The whole thing feels like a bit of a chore this year and it hasn't been at all enjoyable. In the Premier League you never really know what to expect though, any team can beat any other on any given day. In context I still think you can look to injuries last season in the last couple of months as a factor in some of our defeats, the poor start this season was certainly frustrating but 3 defeats in 13 including Arsenal and Liverpool away doesn't constitute a crisis in my book.... I don't think it's a crisis it's more of a long term malaise (which includes our apparent inability to resolve injury problems) and that in many ways is more of a concern - if there was a discernible plan it might feel better but it's not easy to see.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 28, 2016 9:26:45 GMT
I think that's slightly the point though - things generally appear to be going backwards and there is no clear sign of a path forwards. We bumble on from game to game never really knowing what to expect other than the relative certainty that we will never grab it by the throat and dominate for 90 minutes. The whole thing feels like a bit of a chore this year and it hasn't been at all enjoyable. In the Premier League you never really know what to expect though, any team can beat any other on any given day. In context I still think you can look to injuries last season in the last couple of months as a factor in some of our defeats, the poor start this season was certainly frustrating but 3 defeats in 13 including Arsenal and Liverpool away doesn't constitute a crisis in my book.... I admire your constant positivity mate but even the biggest Hughes fan like yourself can see that he's lost the plot of late.He still hasn't got a clue what his best team is and we have no pace yet again and a totally unbalanced squad due to his obsession with the same type of players.He has a massive January ahead for me but I'm afraid to say I have little faith he'll put things right tbh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 9:47:29 GMT
Another damning statistic to go alongside the ten games we've lost by three or more goals.
I was one of the few who was happy when Hughes was appointed but IMO he and the team peaked in the 6-1 tonking of Liverpool.
I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went.
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Dec 28, 2016 10:09:26 GMT
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Dec 28, 2016 10:09:26 GMT
2016 Calendar Year Record
Disappointing results this season :
Liverpool 4-1 Stoke City Stoke City 2-2 Leicester City Stoke City 0-0 Southampton Stoke City 0-1 Bournemouth Stoke City 1-1 West Bromwich Albion Stoke City 1-2 Hull City Crystal Palace 4-1 Stoke City Stoke City 0-4 Tottenham Hotspur Everton 1-0 Stoke City Middlesbrough 1-1 Stoke City
Last season :
Crystal Palace 2-1 Stoke City Stoke City 1-1 Sunderland Manchester City 4-0 Stoke City Stoke City 0-4 Tottenham Hotspur Liverpool 4-1 Stoke City Stoke City 2-2 Swansea City Stoke City 1-2 Southampton Stoke City 0-3 Everton Manchester United 3-0 Stoke City Crystal Palace 1-0 Stoke City Leicester City 3-0 Stoke City Stoke City 0-1 Liverpool West Bromwich Albion 2-1 Stoke City
So of the 43 games played in 2016, 23 have been results where we should have done better. Whether it's the 9 games where we've lost by three or more goals, or the fact that 12 games were at home, or our ability to lose cheap and late goals, it's a case of "could do better". We could easily finish anywhere between 7th and 17th although based on these results we need to freshen things up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 10:34:50 GMT
In the Premier League you never really know what to expect though, any team can beat any other on any given day. In context I still think you can look to injuries last season in the last couple of months as a factor in some of our defeats, the poor start this season was certainly frustrating but 3 defeats in 13 including Arsenal and Liverpool away doesn't constitute a crisis in my book.... I admire your constant positivity mate but even the biggest Hughes fan like yourself can see that he's lost the plot of late.He still hasn't got a clue what his best team is and we have no pace yet again and a totally unbalanced squad due to his obsession with the same type of players.He has a massive January ahead for me but I'm afraid to say I have little faith he'll put things right tbh There was nothing positive about our defending last night it was schoolboy stuff, and I think Hughes has been too conservative with his line ups of late, but I still have faith in him to get it right. He deserves that for his record thus far, he's always come good when the pressures been on before and I'm still more than confident of a top 10 finish.....
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Dec 28, 2016 10:35:41 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 28, 2016 10:35:41 GMT
I admire your constant positivity mate but even the biggest Hughes fan like yourself can see that he's lost the plot of late.He still hasn't got a clue what his best team is and we have no pace yet again and a totally unbalanced squad due to his obsession with the same type of players.He has a massive January ahead for me but I'm afraid to say I have little faith he'll put things right tbh There was nothing positive about our defending last night it was schoolboy stuff, and I think Hughes has been too conservative with his line ups of late, but I still have faith in him to get it right. He deserves that for his record thus far, he's always come good when the pressures been on before and I'm still more than confident of a top 10 finish..... I never doubted you would be mate😄👍
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 10:37:00 GMT
2016 Calendar Year Record Disappointing results this season : Liverpool 4-1 Stoke City Stoke City 2-2 Leicester City Stoke City 0-0 Southampton Stoke City 0-1 Bournemouth Stoke City 1-1 West Bromwich Albion Stoke City 1-2 Hull City Crystal Palace 4-1 Stoke City Stoke City 0-4 Tottenham Hotspur Everton 1-0 Stoke City Middlesbrough 1-1 Stoke City Last season : Crystal Palace 2-1 Stoke City Stoke City 1-1 Sunderland Manchester City 4-0 Stoke City Stoke City 0-4 Tottenham Hotspur Liverpool 4-1 Stoke City Stoke City 2-2 Swansea City Stoke City 1-2 Southampton Stoke City 0-3 Everton Manchester United 3-0 Stoke City Crystal Palace 1-0 Stoke City Leicester City 3-0 Stoke City Stoke City 0-1 Liverpool West Bromwich Albion 2-1 Stoke City So of the 43 games played in 2016, 23 have been results where we should have done better. Whether it's the 9 games where we've lost by three or more goals, or the fact that 12 games were at home, or our ability to lose cheap and late goals, it's a case of "could do better". We could easily finish anywhere between 7th and 17th although based on these results we need to freshen things up. You can always do better, the fans of every other middle of the road Premier League sides could no doubt point to the same missed opportunities that's why they're mid table teams in the first place
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Post by penkvillepotter on Dec 28, 2016 10:50:40 GMT
Premier League Aston Villa, Bournemouth, Burnley, Hull, Newcastle, Norwich, Sunderland, Swansea, Watford x2, West Ham 3 v relegated sides, 3 v sides currently in the bottom 3 Not good enough. That is a depressing list. I thought it was bad, but not that bad. And the problem is that I cant see it changing. Gone are the days when 'big' teams wouldn't fancy taking us on, particularly at home. We're an easy 3 points for them these days I was surprised we've won as many as 11.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 28, 2016 12:37:30 GMT
The problem is it's not just not beating any of the good sides, they've all given us a thrashing apart from Chelsea (there's still time for them)
And a lot of those wins have been more about relief, not about celebration.
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Dec 28, 2016 12:51:07 GMT
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 28, 2016 12:51:07 GMT
Would be interested to see the win percentage for the games haugaard and given played in 2016
Without the gloss of excellent performances by butland and grant massaging the figures
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Dec 28, 2016 13:51:44 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 28, 2016 13:51:44 GMT
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Post by butlerstbob on Dec 28, 2016 14:01:40 GMT
The thing is we can not rely on a world class keeper season after season, and this season proves that! yesterday was down to individual errors, Pieters is having a very poor season, Shawcross making mistakes, and then there is the midfield, we need steel in midfield and as much as I like Glenn Whelan I think he is too slow and offers very little going forward, yesterday our midfield was run ragged(not just Glenn's fault I know) but this is where we need to address, and maybe just maybe stick with a settled side and formation because nobody seems to know what is going on at the moment!
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Dec 28, 2016 14:07:34 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 28, 2016 14:07:34 GMT
The thing is we can not rely on a world class keeper season after season, and this season proves that! yesterday was down to individual errors, Pieters is having a very poor season, Shawcross making mistakes, and then there is the midfield, we need steel in midfield and as much as I like Glenn Whelan I think he is too slow and offers very little going forward, yesterday our midfield was run ragged(not just Glenn's fault I know) but this is where we need to address, and maybe just maybe stick with a settled side and formation because nobody seems to know what is going on at the moment! I agree mate I was just quoting the stat off Twitter
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Post by butlerstbob on Dec 28, 2016 14:12:38 GMT
The thing is we can not rely on a world class keeper season after season, and this season proves that! yesterday was down to individual errors, Pieters is having a very poor season, Shawcross making mistakes, and then there is the midfield, we need steel in midfield and as much as I like Glenn Whelan I think he is too slow and offers very little going forward, yesterday our midfield was run ragged(not just Glenn's fault I know) but this is where we need to address, and maybe just maybe stick with a settled side and formation because nobody seems to know what is going on at the moment! I agree mate I was just quoting the stat off Twitter I presumed that mate and its a great stat for a keeper but one that should have been looked at more closely, and I seem to remember people on here over the last few seasons banging on about how many points he saved us over the last few seasons, and a few of us just dismissed it! and they were right, we should have seen this coming. very worrying stat actually!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 14:31:32 GMT
43 points this calendar year to date.
22 from Jan-May (which was awful) 21 from Aug-Dec (with Chelsea game in hand)
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 28, 2016 14:38:12 GMT
Premier League Aston Villa, Bournemouth, Burnley, Hull, Newcastle, Norwich, Sunderland, Swansea, Watford x2, West Ham 3 v relegated sides, 3 v sides currently in the bottom 3 Not good enough. That doesn't even tell the full story of how crap we've been in 2016. We were awful against Newcastle and Norwich. In the former, we were rescued by a last minute ubersave by Butland. If he had been out injured for that game, it would have been two points gone. We were diabolical against Norwich, and ultimately just about scraped through against ten men.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 28, 2016 15:09:06 GMT
Premier League Aston Villa, Bournemouth, Burnley, Hull, Newcastle, Norwich, Sunderland, Swansea, Watford x2, West Ham 3 v relegated sides, 3 v sides currently in the bottom 3 Not good enough. That doesn't even tell the full story of how crap we've been in 2016. We were awful against Newcastle and Norwich. In the former, we were rescued by a last minute ubersave by Butland. If he had been out injured for that game, it would have been two points gone. We were diabolical against Norwich, and ultimately just about scraped through against ten men. exactly. The number of acceptable, and good games this year has been far too low.
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