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Post by chad on Dec 27, 2016 20:48:26 GMT
Usual despondency and wrist lashing on here tonight
We lost at Anfield , we nearly always lose at Anfield. We'll probably lose at the Bridge on Saturday. We aren't fucking Barcelona We probably won't finish top half this season but fuck me look around at some bigger clubs than us and ask yourselves if they'd like to be in our position
Keep the faith
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Post by Davef on Dec 27, 2016 20:56:53 GMT
You can lose at Anfield without conceding goals that would embarrass the under sevens.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 27, 2016 20:58:46 GMT
It's also not compulsory to concede 4 goals every time you play a half decent side.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 27, 2016 21:01:21 GMT
You can lose at Anfield without conceding goals that would embarrass the under sevens. Top scorers in the league and haven't been beaten at Anfield since mid-January. We did well for half an hour, but were comfortably beaten by a much better side who will likely be challenging for the title. We should have been 2-0 up, they got a lucky break with the equalizer and then made us pay for a couple of defensive errors. It's hardly the end of the fucking world, is it? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 21:02:00 GMT
Usual despondency and wrist lashing on here tonight We lost at Anfield , we nearly always lose at Anfield. We'll probably lose at the Bridge on Saturday. We aren't fucking Barcelona We probably won't finish top half this season but fuck me look around at some bigger clubs than us and ask yourselves if they'd like to be in our position Keep the faith You happy with your team conceding 4 goals on a pretty regular basis then? |
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Post by werrington on Dec 27, 2016 21:04:34 GMT
Look mate nobody has defended Hughes more than me and you know what I will continue to do just that but today was utter shite and so avoidable
You can't defend the indefensible
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 21:06:22 GMT
Usual despondency and wrist lashing on here tonight We lost at Anfield , we nearly always lose at Anfield. We'll probably lose at the Bridge on Saturday. We aren't fucking Barcelona We probably won't finish top half this season but fuck me look around at some bigger clubs than us and ask yourselves if they'd like to be in our position Keep the faith You happy with your team conceding 4 goals on a pretty regular basis then? Depends on the results in between I suppose. If we lost every 3rd game by 4 and won the 2 in between 1-0 I'd be happy as a pig in shit as we'd be on about 70 odd points and in Europe with a -20 odd goal difference. Goal difference will never replace actual points on the board... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 21:06:25 GMT
It's not the losing, we all know we will lose games. We also know that every once in a while we will play poorly.
What angers people and there is no excuse for is the consistent poor team selections, substitutions and reliance on under performing but solid pros.
Add to that players who either can't be arsed or are continually poor and individual mistakes you wouldn't accept at amateur level.
What's the stat on another thread? 60+ percent of defeats in 2016 resulting in 3 or more goals against us? That's not acceptable.
If we are honest we have been poor since the second half of last season and for the majority of this one. Hughes seems to be struggling to work out his best team, we have no balance, no pace, no aggression. We are just a very passive side and if it's not going our way we look certain to lose, apart from Southampton I've rarely seen us grind and fight in a game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 21:08:40 GMT
You happy with your team conceding 4 goals on a pretty regular basis then? Depends on the results in between I suppose. If we lost every 3rd game by 4 and won the 2 in between 1-0 I'd be happy as a pig in shit as we'd be on about 70 odd points and in Europe with a -20 odd goal difference. Goal difference will never replace actual points on the board... On the other hand goal difference is a very strong indicator in how you are playing. Not very often does a negative goal difference finish top 10. |
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 27, 2016 21:11:03 GMT
21 points at this stage in the season is not particularly positive, let's face it
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Post by Davef on Dec 27, 2016 21:14:04 GMT
You can lose at Anfield without conceding goals that would embarrass the under sevens. Top scorers in the league and haven't been beaten at Anfield since mid-January. We did well for half an hour, but were comfortably beaten by a much better side who will likely be challenging for the title. We should have been 2-0 up, they got a lucky break with the equalizer and then made us pay for a couple of defensive errors. It's hardly the end of the fucking world, is it? Read my post again. Slowly. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 21:16:02 GMT
You happy with your team conceding 4 goals on a pretty regular basis then? Depends on the results in between I suppose. If we lost every 3rd game by 4 and won the 2 in between 1-0 I'd be happy as a pig in shit as we'd be on about 70 odd points and in Europe with a -20 odd goal difference. Goal difference will never replace actual points on the board... You and I both know that that doesn't happen though. So your argument/point is void. |
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Post by jarhead on Dec 27, 2016 21:19:06 GMT
You can lose at Anfield without conceding goals that would embarrass the under sevens. Top scorers in the league and haven't been beaten at Anfield since mid-January. We did well for half an hour, but were comfortably beaten by a much better side who will likely be challenging for the title. We should have been 2-0 up, they got a lucky break with the equalizer and then made us pay for a couple of defensive errors. It's hardly the end of the fucking world, is it? Spot fuckin on. |
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 27, 2016 21:22:13 GMT
Top scorers in the league and haven't been beaten at Anfield since mid-January. We did well for half an hour, but were comfortably beaten by a much better side who will likely be challenging for the title. We should have been 2-0 up, they got a lucky break with the equalizer and then made us pay for a couple of defensive errors. It's hardly the end of the fucking world, is it? Read my post again. Slowly. No need, I read it the first time fella. We dropped a couple of bollocks defensively, and got punished for it. That's the difference between the top sides, and the chasing pack. |
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 27, 2016 21:22:48 GMT
I didn't expect anything from tonight's game point wise but when you see how bad your side are playing and you'd happily settle for a 4-1 defeat when it's still only 3-1 with half an hour to go, things are from from rosy.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 27, 2016 21:29:56 GMT
I didn't expect anything from tonight's game point wise but when you see how bad your side are playing and you'd happily settle for a 4-1 defeat when it's still only 3-1 with half an hour to go, things are from from rosy. Not many expected a result tonight however that performance was feckin dire, Liverpool didn't play particularly well thank god or it could have been a cricket score, Chelsea will absolutely hammer us, feck off Hughes you have no idea what you are doing. |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 27, 2016 21:30:04 GMT
Read my post again. Slowly. No need, I read it the first time fella. We dropped a couple of bollocks defensively, and got punished for it. That's the difference between the top sides, and the chasing pack. While I agree stupid mistakes were a big issue today there is a general point that , after a good long spell in this league, we were supposed to have moved on from the position of just caving in whenever we came up against decent teams. Indeed for a couple of seasons it looked like we had but this last 12 months has seen us right back at square one. We are regressing in some areas and it's uncomfortable to watch. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 27, 2016 21:32:30 GMT
Top scorers in the league and haven't been beaten at Anfield since mid-January. We did well for half an hour, but were comfortably beaten by a much better side who will likely be challenging for the title. We should have been 2-0 up, they got a lucky break with the equalizer and then made us pay for a couple of defensive errors. It's hardly the end of the fucking world, is it? Spot fuckin on. As a one off no it is not. But it is not a one off is it? With all we have talent wise, it is getting beyond a joke Oh and by the way, Liverpool were way below par tonight |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 21:33:24 GMT
There are ways to win and ways to lose. It's as simple as that.
We haven't won many the right way and we've lost too many the wrong way IMO.
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Post by jeycov on Dec 27, 2016 21:33:57 GMT
We really missed Arnie today - Affelay making a timely return is a positive.
I expect Shaqiri and Bojan to start on Saturday.
Bigger concern however is our defence - just who comes into the team if one of them is injured?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 27, 2016 21:34:13 GMT
For me it wasn't the defeat, even 4-1 at Anfield isn't wrist slashing territory, but the manner of the defeat is another thing altogether.
Heads dropped and no fight at all, it's happened a couple of times this season and is worrying to say the least
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 27, 2016 21:38:12 GMT
No need, I read it the first time fella. We dropped a couple of bollocks defensively, and got punished for it. That's the difference between the top sides, and the chasing pack. While I agree stupid mistakes were a big issue today there is a general point that , after a good long spell in this league, we were supposed to have moved on from the position of just caving in whenever we came up against decent teams. Indeed for a couple of seasons it looked like we had but this last 12 months has seen us right back at square one. We are regressing in some areas and it's uncomfortable to watch. We are more than regressing we are a very poor side as we saw against a very average Leicester with 10 men. Our form since early this year has been very poor to say the least. Hughes seems incapable of turning it around so for that reason i think his days are numbered. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 27, 2016 21:42:11 GMT
Their first goal was from a ridiculous angle, a very good strike.
Their second was a good shot with an element of luck to hit both posts before going in .
The header by Imbula was awful but I can't fault a defender for an own goal when attempting to stop or clear.
Ryan's goal epitomised our defence. Pass back pass back boot up field to the opposition
Calm yes, angry yes, we let in far too many sloppy goals.
We used to have a poor attack but a quality defence, now we seem unable to do either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 21:57:12 GMT
Depends on the results in between I suppose. If we lost every 3rd game by 4 and won the 2 in between 1-0 I'd be happy as a pig in shit as we'd be on about 70 odd points and in Europe with a -20 odd goal difference. Goal difference will never replace actual points on the board... You and I both know that that doesn't happen though. So your argument/point is void. I was of course exaggerating to highlight the point. But some one here seemed to take more from our negative goal difference than they did our 9th place finish which insane.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 22:20:57 GMT
As a one off no it is not. But it is not a one off is it? With all we have talent wise, it is getting beyond a joke Oh and by the way, Liverpool were way below par tonight I was walking back to the soccerbus and on the train back to central and all the fans were saying Liverpool were poor tonight |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 27, 2016 22:26:31 GMT
That's the 2nd time we lost to Liverpool 4-1 this year. We've conceded 4 goals on 7 different occasions this year, and 3 goals on 4 occasions.
We've had a poor year, only helped a bit by beating poor sides.
People have a right to be worried.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 27, 2016 22:34:54 GMT
Their first goal was from a ridiculous angle, a very good strike. Their second was a good shot with an element of luck to hit both posts before going in . The header by Imbula was awful but I can't fault a defender for an own goal when attempting to stop or clear. Ryan's goal epitomised our defence. Pass back pass back boot up field to the opposition Calm yes, angry yes, we let in far too many sloppy goals. We used to have a poor attack but a quality defence, now we seem unable to do either. At least Imbula tried to make up for his header when he put the ball in his own goal!  |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Dec 27, 2016 22:37:02 GMT
And that makes his clueless tactics and late subs acceptable does it ?
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Post by dwr17477 on Dec 27, 2016 22:41:32 GMT
It's not the losing, we all know we will lose games. We also know that every once in a while we will play poorly. What angers people and there is no excuse for is the consistent poor team selections, substitutions and reliance on under performing but solid pros. Add to that players who either can't be arsed or are continually poor and individual mistakes you wouldn't accept at amateur level. What's the stat on another thread? 60+ percent of defeats in 2016 resulting in 3 or more goals against us? That's not acceptable. If we are honest we have been poor since the second half of last season and for the majority of this one. Hughes seems to be struggling to work out his best team, we have no balance, no pace, no aggression. We are just a very passive side and if it's not going our way we look certain to lose, apart from Southampton I've rarely seen us grind and fight in a game. This. Exactly where we are at the moment...basically a shambles and it needs sorting out. Watford is pivotal to where we go this season - relegation dog fight or limping to the end of the season and addressing the managerial situation. Surely Coates can't be happy with this? |
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