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Post by cousindupree on Dec 15, 2016 11:03:58 GMT
I think we have seen enough of Diouf to conclude he isn't the answer. It's a surprise that Hughes who was an amazing striker in his time is unable to identify a quality striker with potential. All his signings...Diouf Joselu Bony just haven't been up to whats needed at this level. In fairness I don't think anybody imagined that Bony could be such garbage. We have been desperate for a 15 goal a season hitman it really is about time he found the answer.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 15, 2016 11:14:36 GMT
I felt Jon did all he could last night. Ran his socks off, worked hard, but he literally offered no threat whatsoever. He was never likely to score. And that is the issue in a nutshell. Very good player for our club but now he is just been hung out to dry by the manager. That role is or should be about scoring goals and rattling the defender and bringing our ponderous midfield in to the oppenents half, not winning headers to knock on to no one, which is not his fault It is partly a system issue as well. Whatever people think of Bony, he has no option but to drop deeper and deeper just to touch the ball
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 15, 2016 11:15:36 GMT
I think we have seen enough of Diouf to conclude he isn't the answer. It's a surprise that Hughes who was an amazing striker in his time is unable to identify a quality striker with potential. All his signings...Diouf Joselu Bony just haven't been up to whats needed at this level. In fairness I don't think anybody imagined that Bony could be such garbage. We have been desperate for a 15 goal a season hitman it really is about time he found the answer. Ironically Diouf as a right wing back is a great option though. Breath of fresh air in that role
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 11:43:55 GMT
If we sign a forward who scores goals that would lift us into Europa league.
Problem is "We" the fans would expect Europa every season from then on, meaning we would have to spend big every season to maintain expectation.
Top 10 making money seems to suit the clubs ambition. I can see no other reason that we have failed to sign a quality, young, in form striker since we entered the prem.
Just imagine if our keeper failed to save every game , how long would it be before they were replaced, but our strikers fail every week and nothing is done. Says to me the Owners are content with where we are as a club.
Perhaps we need to curb our ambition.
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Post by nutterpotter on Dec 15, 2016 11:56:24 GMT
If we sign a forward who scores goals that would lift us into Europa league. Problem is "We" the fans would expect Europa every season from then on, meaning we would have to spend big every season to maintain expectation. Top 10 making money seems to suit the clubs ambition. I can see no other reason that we have failed to sign a quality, young, in form striker since we entered the prem. Just imagine if our keeper failed to save every game , how long would it be before they were replaced, but our strikers fail every week and nothing is done. Says to me the Owners are content with where we are as a club.Perhaps we need to curb our ambition. We sign a new striker every season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2016 12:00:50 GMT
If we sign a forward who scores goals that would lift us into Europa league. Problem is "We" the fans would expect Europa every season from then on, meaning we would have to spend big every season to maintain expectation. Top 10 making money seems to suit the clubs ambition. I can see no other reason that we have failed to sign a quality, young, in form striker since we entered the prem. Just imagine if our keeper failed to save every game , how long would it be before they were replaced, but our strikers fail every week and nothing is done. Says to me the Owners are content with where we are as a club.Perhaps we need to curb our ambition. We sign a new striker every season Yup! Or give the current ones new contracts. It's a curious situation.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 15, 2016 12:06:52 GMT
Also.....give me Redmond over Shakiri any day of the week!!! Not saying Shakiri is bad, just saying Redmond is better!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 13:39:49 GMT
I thought Walters was alright last night, won a lot of headers. Sadly this is becoming the benchmark as a good forward performance for Stoke. He won a lot of headers.... which is absolutely useless when 80% of them land no where near a Stoke player and everything else you bring to the game is of little use. Honestly Hughes is pissing me off with the constant use of the likes of Whelan, Adam, Walters and Crouch. All of which would struggle to get in another PL team yet they're regulars at Stoke, a team with the ambitions of reaching Europa spots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 14:56:11 GMT
If we sign a forward who scores goals that would lift us into Europa league. Problem is "We" the fans would expect Europa every season from then on, meaning we would have to spend big every season to maintain expectation. Top 10 making money seems to suit the clubs ambition. I can see no other reason that we have failed to sign a quality, young, in form striker since we entered the prem. Just imagine if our keeper failed to save every game , how long would it be before they were replaced, but our strikers fail every week and nothing is done. Says to me the Owners are content with where we are as a club.Perhaps we need to curb our ambition. We sign a new striker every season We have not had a quality striker at Stoke since Ric and the whole world knows it. I'd rather MH got his boots on than play ANY of our current lot.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 15, 2016 15:51:58 GMT
With the exception of Ricky Fuller, it's something we've suffered from since promotion TBH. Kitson, Beattie, Jones, Diouf, Joselu, Bony have all failed as goal scorers. Only Odemwingy showed any potential after joining us and a great shame he got the bad injury. He was a different style of player in the mold of Jermaine Defoe who would also have done a job for us IMO.
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Post by Onneravineet on Dec 15, 2016 16:15:22 GMT
I feel like I'm just repeating myself in every thread but I've absolutely no idea why Diouf isn't the number one choice up front. I had no idea last season either. Nobody offers more. This! If we had a 20+ striker we'd have him for the season he had just notched them, then he'd be off after being poached! Mame is certainly good enough to be a 15-20 goal a season striker if played week in week out. I love the guy, fucking brilliant last night again.
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Post by Onneravineet on Dec 15, 2016 16:17:08 GMT
I think we have seen enough of Diouf to conclude he isn't the answer. It's a surprise that Hughes who was an amazing striker in his time is unable to identify a quality striker with potential. All his signings...Diouf Joselu Bony just haven't been up to whats needed at this level. In fairness I don't think anybody imagined that Bony could be such garbage. We have been desperate for a 15 goal a season hitman it really is about time he found the answer. When was this? I can't remember when he has had an extended run as the out and out striker? The Statto's among us could perhaps tell me what the maximum amount of consecutive games there have been where he has played striker.
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Post by fraybentos on Dec 15, 2016 16:26:30 GMT
Also.....give me Redmond over Shakiri any day of the week!!! Not saying Shakiri is bad, just saying Redmond is better!!! Redmond is all huff and puff, watched him against a sitting back 10 men last night and didn't have the quality to Finish. It reminded me of pre game shooting practise at one stage
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 15, 2016 16:33:41 GMT
I think we have seen enough of Diouf to conclude he isn't the answer. It's a surprise that Hughes who was an amazing striker in his time is unable to identify a quality striker with potential. All his signings...Diouf Joselu Bony just haven't been up to whats needed at this level. In fairness I don't think anybody imagined that Bony could be such garbage. We have been desperate for a 15 goal a season hitman it really is about time he found the answer. Ironically Diouf as a right wing back is a great option though. Breath of fresh air in that role Our Antonio?
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Dec 15, 2016 16:36:55 GMT
Diouff doesn't need a run he needs a first touch as you can't always run in behind especially if playing one up front , if you have watched a lot of footy you can see a good striker almost as soon as he gets near the ball and I have and he isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 16:41:05 GMT
I thought Walters was alright last night, won a lot of headers. Sadly this is becoming the benchmark as a good forward performance for Stoke. He won a lot of headers.... which is absolutely useless when 80% of them land no where near a Stoke player and everything else you bring to the game is of little use. Honestly Hughes is pissing me off with the constant use of the likes of Whelan, Adam, Walters and Crouch. All of which would struggle to get in another PL team yet they're regulars at Stoke, a team with the ambitions of reaching Europa spots. I was just saying last night, how many other sides in the PL would Walters get a start in??? It wasn't many at all...and I'm not talking Top 10, I mean right the way down to bottom 5.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 15, 2016 16:41:11 GMT
I'd try to sign Berahino and Rondon for two reasons. One, they are both good, and two to make Tone cry salty tears.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 15, 2016 16:46:00 GMT
Sadly this is becoming the benchmark as a good forward performance for Stoke. He won a lot of headers.... which is absolutely useless when 80% of them land no where near a Stoke player and everything else you bring to the game is of little use. Honestly Hughes is pissing me off with the constant use of the likes of Whelan, Adam, Walters and Crouch. All of which would struggle to get in another PL team yet they're regulars at Stoke, a team with the ambitions of reaching Europa spots. I was just saying last night, how many other sides in the PL would Walters get a start in??? It wasn't many at all...and I'm not talking Top 10, I mean right the way down to bottom 5. Ditto Whelan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 16:50:06 GMT
A forward of some quality please? A lad who will work defenders, offer some quality on the ball and knows where the net is. We're absolutely DESPERATE for one. Or start Ngoy and keep playing him. Could he be our Rashford? It can't be any worse than the misfits we have playing for us now. I know this isn't an original point but I still think it has some validity - the way we play really doesn't seem to help anyone in the forward role. It's not as if anyone playing there's has missed chance after chance. We simply don't create chances. In some sort of odd ineffective way we seem to see plenty of the ball , faff around with it , rarely if ever get to the touch line and then just fizzle out. I'm not saying the likes of Bony couldn't have done more to help themselves but it's a bigger picture than just importing one 'name' striker. My genuine belief is that a good portion of the reason our strikers don't get chances is because the only one we have who moves up front is Diouf. Yesterday it happened in the midfield too, its why we struggled to keep the ball (even at 11v11). It's a huge problem, because it seems like none of our players are wanting the ball at all, besides Arnie and Shaq, which is probably why our attack are almost exclusively down the wing. It was perfectly played against City last year, constant movement from all players, especially the interchanging front three, and almost every attack we had was precise, swift and clinical.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 16:57:40 GMT
I was just saying last night, how many other sides in the PL would Walters get a start in??? It wasn't many at all...and I'm not talking Top 10, I mean right the way down to bottom 5. Ditto Whelan. Add Adam while we're at it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 15, 2016 17:03:32 GMT
Add Adam while we're at it. I quite like Adam, but I think we need a revamp soon, all over the pitch.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 15, 2016 17:33:50 GMT
I thought Walters was alright last night, won a lot of headers. Sadly this is becoming the benchmark as a good forward performance for Stoke. He won a lot of headers.... which is absolutely useless when 80% of them land no where near a Stoke player and everything else you bring to the game is of little use. Honestly Hughes is pissing me off with the constant use of the likes of Whelan, Adam, Walters and Crouch. All of which would struggle to get in another PL team yet they're regulars at Stoke, a team with the ambitions of reaching Europa spots. I was just stating that he played alright last night, by his standards I thought he looked ok.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 15, 2016 18:17:36 GMT
Sorry boys but Santa doesn't exist - and if he did you might find quality 20+ goal a season premiership forwards have sold out at StrikersRUs. Shit happens - go suck a satsuma.
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 15, 2016 18:49:08 GMT
I thought Walters was alright last night, won a lot of headers. Walters gets some stick but he is nowhere near as bad as is often made out. Although admittedly, "nowehere near as bad as is often made out" isn't exactly star striker material.
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 15, 2016 18:50:37 GMT
I guess any moment now someone will pipe up that Walters "isn't a Premier League player", despite the fact that he, ahem, plays in the Premier League.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 15, 2016 18:55:18 GMT
I guess any moment now someone will pipe up that Walters "isn't a Premier League player", despite the fact that he, ahem, plays in the Premier League. Not for long hey?
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 15, 2016 19:01:15 GMT
I guess any moment now someone will pipe up that Walters "isn't a Premier League player", despite the fact that he, ahem, plays in the Premier League. Not for long hey? No reason why he shouldn't be, as long as we get our bit together, address the issues and stop pretending everything's fine and we're a great team. We aren't.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 15, 2016 19:05:37 GMT
No reason why he shouldn't be, as long as we get our bit together, address the issues and stop pretending everything's fine and we're a great team. We aren't. So we've not got 'our act together'? How many points did you expect from the last 10 games? www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=englandFanny.
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 15, 2016 19:09:27 GMT
No reason why he shouldn't be, as long as we get our bit together, address the issues and stop pretending everything's fine and we're a great team. We aren't. So we've not got 'our act together'? How many points did you expect from the last 10 games? www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=englandFanny. We should have beaten both Southampton and Bournemouth. Our points rate is still not good enough given the games we have coming up. These poorer teams - especially at home - should be mere connon fodder, because we are currently showing no signs of getting anything from the 'big' teams. You can slate me if you like. I just don't want an end of season relegation scrap where we have to get a point and someone else has to lose, or some such nonsense. We should be way beyond that now. And it is clear that we are not.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 15, 2016 19:12:25 GMT
We should have beaten both Southampton and Bournemouth. Our points rate is still not good enough given the games we have coming up. These poorer teams - especially at home - should be mere connon fodder, because we are currently showing no signs of getting anything from the 'big' teams. You can slate me if you like. I just don't want an end of season relegation scrap where we have to get a point and someone else has to lose, or some such nonsense. We should be way beyond that now. And it is clear that we are not. Southampton will never be a poor team in comparison to us, never! I'm sorry, I've been taken in haven't I? Silly me.
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