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Post by PotterLog on Dec 9, 2016 23:34:40 GMT
For the purposes of this enquiry, I'm defining "supporter" as anyone anywhere who would give "Stoke City" as a first response in a survey where the question was "which football team do you support" - as opposed to any other team, or no team in particular, or "I don't really follow football". So all the match-goers, all the exiles, all the people from around the world with quirky reasons for latching on to Stoke, all the "lapsed" fans, and all the people like my brother who only have a casual interest but have a connection with Stoke and always look for our result first.
If the question was about ManU or Barcelona the number would be in the hundreds of millions.. I just wonder what ours would be, and more so now that we have some relative success, and it will have increased massively in the last ten years or so...
As far as I can see there's no real study about this and I'm just curious.. it's difficult to gauge. Could it be about 200 thousand? Would there be more around the world?
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 9, 2016 23:46:17 GMT
Depending on the topic on here and adding in the factor of whether we have won or lost id say about 3000 if we have lost and 33000 if weve won
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Post by march4 on Dec 9, 2016 23:58:59 GMT
A few years ago, I heard it was about 40,000 casual supporters.
I suppose this accounts for ticket demand for big games at Wembley, etc.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 10, 2016 0:02:34 GMT
A few years ago, I heard it was about 40,000 casual supporters. I suppose this accounts for ticket demand for big games at Wembley, etc. Surely that's too low as a total figure? If that were the total figure that would mean that basically every single person who calls themselves a Stoke fan went to Wembley...
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Post by Stoke711 on Dec 10, 2016 0:37:32 GMT
Around the world I'd say about 70,000 fans. I think for finals we could sell 50,000, prem around 33,000, I personally wouldn't expand our stadium past that in the future until we have a waiting list for season tickets to show that we would be able to fill it. Edit - stokecity has 630,000 followers while a few of them will be other teams, players, media, businesses etc.. I think around 300,000-400,000 will be fans, then add all the people who don't use twitter. I think we could be 500,000-600,000.
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Post by Gods on Dec 10, 2016 0:37:34 GMT
These are the figures the Premier League lay claim to off their website and presumably aimed at getting new sponsors so treat with caution I would suggest:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fully engaged for 10 months
780M Premier League Club Supporters
930M Premier League Followers
1.2BN Premier League Fans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If your 200,000 figure is right (and it seems like a decent estimate to me) then we would still only have 1 in every 3,900 of those alleged 780M 'Premier League Club Supporters'
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Post by paulkoz on Dec 10, 2016 5:12:37 GMT
Something we can't accurately predict.....I was thinking about making a post about how people think we should increase our reputation going forward.....Long gone have the days when Stoke in the premier league is a fad, we are now a club that wants to strive for more, on and off the pitch, were a club in transition but how do we go about it? We have alot of fickle fans sense our promotion, but realistically the fickle fans have a point, I've said on more than one occasion that when we signed Crouch I was drooling an England international in our side....He was never a waste a money and done more for our image than hiring a spin doctor, its a hard place to be in but we are now one of those sides looking to break through, and wondered how other fans think we should start breaking in.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 10, 2016 5:17:03 GMT
61,765
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 10, 2016 6:01:02 GMT
61,766 I'm upset that you forgot about me
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 10, 2016 6:58:51 GMT
Hard to know where to start with this, but looking through my friend list on Facebook, of the 200-or so people on there, around 50% have at least some interest in football ranging from very casual to fanatics. I'd say there's a fairly even split between men and women so it's a representative sample.
There's a bit of guesswork here, but looking through the list I'd say the number of Stoke fans on there is about half again...so 25% of people on my facebook list are Stokies.
Applying that to the local area only, if the population of North Staffordshire is around 500,000 (including Stoke, Newcastle, Staffs Moorlands etc) then we're probably looking at about 125,000 local fans ranging from armchair fans to season ticket holders.
Where to begin with our world fanbase, I really have no idea!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 7:34:44 GMT
No real scientific way of measuring it, but in 2016 Stoke on Trent had a population of 469,000, lets say 50% have no interest in football, as the figure includes all ages and genders, so that's 230,000 in the city that have an interest in football, either mild or keen, now, lets say only 80% would pick SCFC as No 1 choice, a few glory hunters, a few ( very ) Vale fans, people that have moved here, etc etc etc that's then approx. 180,000. Then build into that people from outside the area that have no affiliation with SoT, and also Stokies that have moved... i'd say anywhere between 180K and 200K...
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Post by colnepotter on Dec 10, 2016 8:11:22 GMT
No idea how many fans we have in total. But we have far more regular fans than many would believe. I read a book once on statistics which said that, at a typical league match, about 50% of attendees will have not attended the previous home fixture. This sounds broadly credible to me e.g. I live in Essex and go to Stoke about once per month (plus about up to 10 away games typically). When I am not at home games, a friend of mine has my seat. I am not unique. Where I sit, the faces change quite a bit from game to game. Most of us are committed Stoke fans. Therefore the claim that we only have - say - 26,000 regulars is bollocks. We have in fact north of 30,000 (no idea how far north). The challenge for the club is to turn many of those fans into 'rarely miss a match' types, which would require (proper) expansion. Another myth that regularly gets bandied about is that we have never had more than say - 30,000 - average in the past, so therefore could never achieve that in the future. Try telling that to Southampton or West Ham fans; again complete bollocks.
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2016 9:07:55 GMT
No real scientific way of measuring it, but in 2016 Stoke on Trent had a population of 469,000, lets say 50% have no interest in football, as the figure includes all ages and genders, so that's 230,000 in the city that have an interest in football, either mild or keen, now, lets say only 80% would pick SCFC as No 1 choice, a few glory hunters, a few ( very ) Vale fans, people that have moved here, etc etc etc that's then approx. 180,000. Then build into that people from outside the area that have no affiliation with SoT, and also Stokies that have moved... i'd say anywhere between 180K and 200K... Population of Stoke on Trent is about 270,000 I think the 469,000 figure you are quoting is all of N.Staffs (including Leek and Stone but not Stafford).
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2016 9:14:32 GMT
A few years ago, I heard it was about 40,000 casual supporters. I suppose this accounts for ticket demand for big games at Wembley, etc. Surely that's too low as a total figure? If that were the total figure that would mean that basically every single person who calls themselves a Stoke fan went to Wembley... It is way too low a figure. There are around 300k supporters who are on the clubs database and who have attended 1 or more fixtures since the database was created.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2016 9:21:04 GMT
How many season ticket holders do we have?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 9:41:13 GMT
How many season ticket holders do we have? I possibly dreamt the figure up, but I'm sure I've read in the past that the figure is capped at around 21,500 at the current stadium capacity? Might be wrong though. And the answer to the original question is that nobody knows, or could know! Real 'finger in the air' stuff; you'd probably get estimates ranging from 50,000 to 500,000.
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Post by steino72 on Dec 10, 2016 9:51:07 GMT
On a social media platform you have players that are followed, Sobhi for example has huge numbers, albeit a large section follow the player and a few may become supporters. It's not quantifiable really.
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Post by Gods on Dec 10, 2016 11:02:17 GMT
Surely that's too low as a total figure? If that were the total figure that would mean that basically every single person who calls themselves a Stoke fan went to Wembley... It is way too low a figure. There are around 300k supporters who are on the clubs database and who have attended 1 or more fixtures since the database was created. Great information. That's the first (only) real data we have to get our teeth in to so far.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Dec 10, 2016 11:09:26 GMT
Modesty prevents me from saying just moi!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 10, 2016 11:34:30 GMT
Surely that's too low as a total figure? If that were the total figure that would mean that basically every single person who calls themselves a Stoke fan went to Wembley... It is way too low a figure. There are around 300k supporters who are on the clubs database and who have attended 1 or more fixtures since the database was created. Not disputing what you say Dave but I'm absolutely staggered that the figure is that high.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2016 11:48:46 GMT
That number was mentioned in a radio interview with Tony Scholes a couple of years ago.
It may have been 400k but I erred on the side of caution due to my sketchy memory.
It was a discussion about a huge latent support we have and how we attract that supporter regularly so as to make ground expansion viable.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 10, 2016 11:50:33 GMT
It is way too low a figure. There are around 300k supporters who are on the clubs database and who have attended 1 or more fixtures since the database was created. Not disputing what you say Dave but I'm absolutely staggered that the figure is that high. I can well believe that figure Paul. Of my close family there are 2 of us who go week in week out, and there will be at least 6 more on the database, none of whom have set foot in the place in the last 5 years!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 10, 2016 11:56:44 GMT
Not disputing what you say Dave but I'm absolutely staggered that the figure is that high. I can well believe that figure Paul. Of my close family there are 2 of us who go week in week out, and there will be at least 6 more on the database, none of whom have set foot in the place in the last 5 years! If that was the same for everybody who goes week in week out it would still only give you a total of 100k though. It also means that not much more than 10% of the people who have been to the Brit as a home supporter since the database began, wanted a ticket for Wembley. Which I find surprising.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 12:00:54 GMT
Lets count then and I'll start with 4 in my house.
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Post by march4 on Dec 10, 2016 12:05:32 GMT
I think the diefinition of supporter is the bigger issue here.
I stick by my 40,000 estimate for those who will see us play live at least once per season.
If you are going to include the Robbie Williams, Phil Taylor type of supporters then yes the figure will be over 100,000.
I always look out for Forfar Athletic's results. I've never seen them play and know little about them. Am I a supporter???
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 10, 2016 13:07:07 GMT
I think the diefinition of supporter is the bigger issue here. I stick by my 40,000 estimate for those who will see us play live at least once per season. If you are going to include the Robbie Williams, Phil Taylor type of supporters then yes the figure will be over 100,000. I always look out for Forfar Athletic's results. I've never seen them play and know little about them. Am I a supporter??? It clearly depends on how you define support but that's far too simplistic a way of even guesstimating it in any case. As Dave has said if there are over 300,000 on our database which is people who have attended at least 1 game in the last 5 years then that is a far better indicator. Add to that a number of expats and the Scandanavian support and such like it will be far higher than that but there'sno real way of calculating it. The only figure we've got is the one supplied by the club. Your Forfar analogy is a bit daft as well because if someone asked you who you supported you'd say Stoke not Forfar. I look out for Burton Albion's results mainly because they are my hometown club. I've been to watch them several times but in no way do I class myself as a supporter.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 10, 2016 13:59:07 GMT
I think the diefinition of supporter is the bigger issue here. I stick by my 40,000 estimate for those who will see us play live at least once per season. If you are going to include the Robbie Williams, Phil Taylor type of supporters then yes the figure will be over 100,000. I always look out for Forfar Athletic's results. I've never seen them play and know little about them. Am I a supporter??? I refer you back to the original definition in my OP
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 10, 2016 14:35:00 GMT
We will never have the global appeal of some clubs but we know who we are and we could never, ever be accused of being glory hunting arise wipes that we see infesting the streets, parks, and pubs of the world.
I am always proud to say that I am a Stokie, and I encourage all Stokies to continue with our tradition of teaching our kids loyalty to OUR club.
It's so fucking easy to jump on a top four bandwagon.
Stoke always. It's never been easy, but I feel happy with my choice, so if we have 40,000 or 4,000,000, I really don't care.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2016 14:39:14 GMT
I wonder how many of the 300k on the database are dead?
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 10, 2016 14:45:51 GMT
I think the diefinition of supporter is the bigger issue here. I stick by my 40,000 estimate for those who will see us play live at least once per season. If you are going to include the Robbie Williams, Phil Taylor type of supporters then yes the figure will be over 100,000. I always look out for Forfar Athletic's results. I've never seen them play and know little about them. Am I a supporter??? I refer you back to the original definition in my OP You just like saying Forfar. It's like a swear word.
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