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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:14:20 GMT
He has absolutely no responsibility to try and make things happen himself?? Who does that in this side and who's done it in this side since Fuller? That's right, nobody. The all too brief cameo by Peter Odemwingie showed the type of forward required to make a Hughes system work. It needs pace and mobility. Bony has neither. And is bone idle.
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Post by wuzza on Nov 19, 2016 18:15:27 GMT
He has absolutely no responsibility to try and make things happen himself?? Who does that in this side and who's done it in this side since Fuller? That's right, nobody. I would suggest we have had plenty who get stuck in. One of them came on as a sub today. None of them are rated as highly or paid as much as Bony - if what we have been seeing is deemed as acceptable then I despair.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 19, 2016 18:15:40 GMT
I don't think we should sign him permanently, but to be fair to him, our decision making around the box and the crosses into it are beyond woeful.
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Post by primmerz on Nov 19, 2016 18:15:59 GMT
He's the best forward we've got by far. He's a natural finisher that isn't getting any service. Nothing whatsoever. His goals against Swansea show what he can do if he gets the service. Pointing at Crouch as a better option because he won a few headers is an insanely bad argument. Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri were beyond awful today. Absolutely spot on, people are too quick to blame our strikers, he was starved today. No good crosses and no balls into him, not sure what people expect from a guy who is good in the air and has strength.
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Post by primmerz on Nov 19, 2016 18:18:29 GMT
Who does that in this side and who's done it in this side since Fuller? That's right, nobody. I would suggest we have had plenty who get stuck in. One of them came on as a sub today. None of them are rated as highly or paid as much as Bony - if what we have been seeing is deemed as acceptable then I despair. Please show me highlights of any crosses or through balls he was able to get on the end of. Our midfield were to blame today, no creativity from the middle and no supple from the wingers. Blame Bony all you like but he was very limited from what he got today. if you'd like to show me evidence otherwise then be my guest.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:19:59 GMT
We don't give our strikers enough service, they are left hung to dry. Crouch only looked better because we started lumping it. Bony seems a scapegoat for our dire service to him, can't remember any balls into his feet for him to use his strength and no one near him for knock downs.Our midfield was dreadful today. Exactly prim, he's suffering from the same fate as Diouf did as a lone striker. You've got to have quality service in to lone strikers if you want positive end results (goals!).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:20:59 GMT
I don't think we should sign him permanently, but to be fair to him, our decision making around the box and the crosses into it are beyond woeful. Rephrase that to virtually none existent today. All people need to do is watch his goals for Swansea and ask how many times we have got him into the same areas for us AND given him quality service. I'll guess at it being a very round number. We had all this bollocks years ago with Peter Thorne. He was pilloried on here for years then when we finally got the service right he was unstoppable. It ain't rocket science!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 19, 2016 18:25:03 GMT
His reaction said it it all when his number went uo
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Post by wuzza on Nov 19, 2016 18:26:20 GMT
I would suggest we have had plenty who get stuck in. One of them came on as a sub today. None of them are rated as highly or paid as much as Bony - if what we have been seeing is deemed as acceptable then I despair. Please show me highlights of any crosses or through balls he was able to get on the end of. Our midfield were to blame today, no creativity from the middle and no supple from the wingers. Blame Bony all you like but he was very limited from what he got today. if you'd like to show me evidence otherwise then be my guest. If it's not coming to them top quality strikers make it happen themselves - get amongst the defence, unsettle them etc. It was a a walk in the park for the B'mouth central defence today. I'm not denying that our service was, yet again in a home game,anything but dire, but that's no excuse for the game passing him by - as it sadly has done far too often so far.
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Post by primmerz on Nov 19, 2016 18:27:34 GMT
We don't give our strikers enough service, they are left hung to dry. Crouch only looked better because we started lumping it. Bony seems a scapegoat for our dire service to him, can't remember any balls into his feet for him to use his strength and no one near him for knock downs.Our midfield was dreadful today. Exactly prim, he's suffering from the same fate as Diouf did as a lone striker. You've got to have quality service in to lone strikers if you want positive end results (goals!). Bob on, we just don't give our strikers enough. They are easy to blame for many because they are not scoring, any striker in the world would struggle in our team because we don't get the bloody ball to them!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:27:56 GMT
His reaction said it it all when his number went uo Meaning?....
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 19, 2016 18:28:24 GMT
I'm starting to wonder if it's possible that all these strikers we're getting through are really bad players, or whether 1 up front with inside forwards and pants fullbacks is a really really shit system for a front man. I keep thinking this. I really don't know what chances Bony is supposed to put away we created nothing. Funnily enough that's how Chris Iwelumo saw it, too. He said Bony had no support at all.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 19, 2016 18:28:37 GMT
His reaction said it it all when his number went uo Meaning?.... How pissed off he was at coming off but how God only knows why
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:30:30 GMT
Please show me highlights of any crosses or through balls he was able to get on the end of. Our midfield were to blame today, no creativity from the middle and no supple from the wingers. Blame Bony all you like but he was very limited from what he got today. if you'd like to show me evidence otherwise then be my guest. If it's not coming to them top quality strikers make it happen themselves - get amongst the defence, unsettle them etc. It was a a walk in the park for the B'mouth central defence today. I'm not denying that our service was, yet again in a home game,anything but dire, but that's no excuse for the game passing him by - as it sadly has done far too often so far. 100% agree. He's a big powerful unit. He should be knocking centre halves all over the place. Yeah the service is pretty ordinary , but for me he doesn't fancy it. He's bone.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 19, 2016 18:32:13 GMT
People were banging on about Bony over Saido Berahino - not for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:32:43 GMT
How pissed off he was at coming off but how God only knows I thought it may have been more like, thank fcuk for that Leslie. I've looked like a second rate player out there all game cos I haven't had anything decent to get on the end of.
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Post by modfather on Nov 19, 2016 18:35:07 GMT
Pulis has praised berahino for his fitness in the press the other day. Jan transfer anyone..........?
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Post by fraybentos on Nov 19, 2016 18:35:45 GMT
he should of taken that Peno today, he had no real service today we were bad, quite embarrassing really just lumping the ball up to him. I have come to the conclusion that Stoke take him off to prevent extra payments to Man City for minutes on the pitch, past the 70 min mark.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:36:22 GMT
How pissed off he was at coming off but how God only knows I thought it may have been more like, thank fcuk for that Leslie. I've looked like a second rate player out there all game cos I haven't had anything decent to get on the end of. So I'll sulk my head off and not get involved. I'll make no runs what so ever and amble around like it's a testimonial.
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Post by primmerz on Nov 19, 2016 18:40:21 GMT
Please show me highlights of any crosses or through balls he was able to get on the end of. Our midfield were to blame today, no creativity from the middle and no supple from the wingers. Blame Bony all you like but he was very limited from what he got today. if you'd like to show me evidence otherwise then be my guest. If it's not coming to them top quality strikers make it happen themselves - get amongst the defence, unsettle them etc. It was a a walk in the park for the B'mouth central defence today. I'm not denying that our service was, yet again in a home game,anything but dire, but that's no excuse for the game passing him by - as it sadly has done far too often so far. Again, I didn't see any balls up to him, either in the air or on the ground that could mean he could impact the game. The Bournemouth defence had a field day because they were constantly 2v1, Bony can't run channels, what you see is what you get, get no one near him and what do you get? Bony worked at Swansea because he was the main man, everything went through him, they had wingers getting balls into him and Sigurdsson behind, we have wingers scared of taking on full backs and getting crosses in and a midfield who get dizzy when they go past the half way line. Its bloody dire the service our strikers get and the expectation on them to conjure up goals from nothing.
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Post by primmerz on Nov 19, 2016 18:44:01 GMT
If it's not coming to them top quality strikers make it happen themselves - get amongst the defence, unsettle them etc. It was a a walk in the park for the B'mouth central defence today. I'm not denying that our service was, yet again in a home game,anything but dire, but that's no excuse for the game passing him by - as it sadly has done far too often so far. 100% agree. He's a big powerful unit. He should be knocking centre halves all over the place. Yeah the service is pretty ordinary , but for me he doesn't fancy it. He's bone. "Pretty ordinary" is rather generous, again, I ask for any highlights of a decent ball into the box that Bony had the chance to get on the end of? People want him to throw himself about but we don't even get the ball up to him, we piss about passing it around at the back and then hoof it in panic, when Crouch came on, balls were directed to him. We've had a major problem upfront for many years, yet we keep blaming the strikers, we don't create enough, its that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:46:03 GMT
I thought it may have been more like, thank fcuk for that Leslie. I've looked like a second rate player out there all game cos I haven't had anything decent to get on the end of. So I'll sulk my head off and not get involved. I'll make no runs what so ever and amble around like it's a testimonial. I don't want to make excuses for any player who doesn't put a full shift in when playing for Stoke, but he's not the kind of player who'd want to go around chasing shadows all game. That would make him look even more inferior than he's been looking of late, wouldn't it.
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Post by wuzza on Nov 19, 2016 18:46:39 GMT
If it's not coming to them top quality strikers make it happen themselves - get amongst the defence, unsettle them etc. It was a a walk in the park for the B'mouth central defence today. I'm not denying that our service was, yet again in a home game,anything but dire, but that's no excuse for the game passing him by - as it sadly has done far too often so far. Again, I didn't see any balls up to him, either in the air or on the ground that could mean he could impact the game. The Bournemouth defence had a field day because they were constantly 2v1, Bony can't run channels, what you see is what you get, get no one near him and what do you get? Bony worked at Swansea because he was the main man, everything went through him, they had wingers getting balls into him and Sigurdsson behind, we have wingers scared of taking on full backs and getting crosses in and a midfield who get dizzy when they go past the half way line. Its bloody dire the service our strikers get and the expectation on them to conjure up goals from nothing. I'm not expecting him to pick the ball up on the edge of his own box and run the length of the field but I was rather hoping he would impose himself, look for the ball, hold on to it, put himself about and occasionally create something out of the proverbial 'nothing'. He is after all supposed to be top quality and carries that sort of renumeration package. However his stay so far does not suggest that this is likely to happen.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 19, 2016 18:47:13 GMT
How pissed off he was at coming off but how God only knows I thought it may have been more like, thank fcuk for that Leslie. I've looked like a second rate player out there all game cos I haven't had anything decent to get on the end of. He wasn't alone today mate
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Post by salopstick on Nov 19, 2016 18:49:48 GMT
Bony idle today
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:52:56 GMT
I thought it may have been more like, thank fcuk for that Leslie. I've looked like a second rate player out there all game cos I haven't had anything decent to get on the end of. He wasn't alone today mate Correct. We are not playing as a unit. No cohesion throughout the team as a whole. Almost everything we try seems to get broken down too easily, and then we're on the back foot....again!
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Post by ryan4england on Nov 19, 2016 18:55:22 GMT
Play marko cf and sobhi left
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Post by primmerz on Nov 19, 2016 18:59:25 GMT
Again, I didn't see any balls up to him, either in the air or on the ground that could mean he could impact the game. The Bournemouth defence had a field day because they were constantly 2v1, Bony can't run channels, what you see is what you get, get no one near him and what do you get? Bony worked at Swansea because he was the main man, everything went through him, they had wingers getting balls into him and Sigurdsson behind, we have wingers scared of taking on full backs and getting crosses in and a midfield who get dizzy when they go past the half way line. Its bloody dire the service our strikers get and the expectation on them to conjure up goals from nothing. I'm not expecting him to pick the ball up on the edge of his own box and run the length of the field but I was rather hoping he would impose himself, look for the ball, hold on to it, put himself about and occasionally create something out of the proverbial 'nothing'. He is after all supposed to be top quality and carries that sort of renumeration package. However his stay so far does not suggest that this would is likely to happen. I agree to an extent, I would like him to hold it up and look for runners but I don't think he was given that chance today. On the whole we createdf barely nothing and no striker in the world would score given the service he had (excluding Messi/Ronaldo/Suarez etc). We starve our strikers, when we have Bony, people complain he doesn't do enough, when we have Diouf, people complain he can't hold it up, its a no win situation for our strikers. People say Crouch showed a lot more but the realism is, he hasn't scored a league goal since Liverpool two seasons ago. We don't do enough for our strikers, and until we do, people will slag them off to the moon and back.
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Post by wuzza on Nov 19, 2016 19:06:15 GMT
I'm not expecting him to pick the ball up on the edge of his own box and run the length of the field but I was rather hoping he would impose himself, look for the ball, hold on to it, put himself about and occasionally create something out of the proverbial 'nothing'. He is after all supposed to be top quality and carries that sort of renumeration package. However his stay so far does not suggest that this would is likely to happen. I agree to an extent, I would like him to hold it up and look for runners but I don't think he was given that chance today. On the whole we createdf barely nothing and no striker in the world would score given the service he had (excluding Messi/Ronaldo/Suarez etc). We starve our strikers, when we have Bony, people complain he doesn't do enough, when we have Diouf, people complain he can't hold it up, its a no win situation for our strikers. People say Crouch showed a lot more but the realism is, he hasn't scored a league goal since Liverpool two seasons ago. We don't do enough for our strikers, and until we do, people will slag them off to the moon and back. I wouldn't argue with any of that. We have for far too long confused fancy little passing movements in front of the oppositions defence with what is really good football i.e strong incisive running and passing which gets the ball into danger areas. However I maintain Bony does bugger all to help himself and the general approach he takes is very much what my Man City supporting mates told me he did at their place (where he certainly couldn't complain about the quality of the service).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 19:50:03 GMT
Well don't say I've not been telling you. We have needed a proper striker for I don't know how long! You can cover it over with whatever you like, but we need one. Every transfer window, I keep expecting one. Maybe January, eh?
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