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Post by ratters on Nov 10, 2016 19:35:10 GMT
Depends how you view it, but for me the upper tier at Spurs and Chelsea offer a much better view than the lower, and I think Man utd seats are pretty decent tbh. Much poorer view imo being down the bottom at arsenal for instance, and I think the view at liverpool and everton are shocking for 'pitchside' views. Obvs there is the extreme where newcastle and sunderland are too far away and West ham is just down right odd.
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Post by gilberto on Nov 10, 2016 20:15:55 GMT
The Premier League are undoing all of Martin O'Neill's work with this. It was his idea to move the away end at Sunderland from behind the goal to up in the gods and out of the way. He was also behind Villa moving their away end from behind the goal to where it is now.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 11, 2016 9:35:15 GMT
The FSF have been promoting this with the PL, and we are pleased that they have acted to introduce this new rule. It doesn't have to be all away fans, just at least one block so that the position at Man City and West Ham where they are split between different tiers would be still be permitted, but that at Sunderland and Newcastle wouldn't. The PL of course know that the atmosphere and the sight of away fans celebrating a goal is all part of selling the TV product which is not helped when they are stuck away in the gods. Great sentiment obviously to get away supporters better views but I can't think of too much worse than say, at Newcastle or Sunderland, a block with 200-300 supporters pitch side with the rest of the crowd in the gods. That wouldn't help the atmosphere at all. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that two tiered away stands are a bigger destroyer of an atmosphere than aways fans being in the gods so to speak. Two tiered away stands are crap. All away supporters should be located in the same stand. At Newcastle and Sunderland coordinated chants from top and bottom sections would be impossible. It wouldn't surprise me to see clubs abuse this by putting away fans at different ends of the stadium though I guess you are assuming policing and segregation would prevent such abuse. You've also got the added issue that some of the views low down/pitchside are horrendous...west ham, arsenal, Everton, Liverpool to name just four...and Chelsea. Get the fans in one stand, on one tier, regardless of where that is and you'll get a better atmosphere, if indeed that's what this is all about. There is quite a lot of truth in what you say. We would probably have preferred a rule which said everybody pitchside ( which of course doesn't mean low down in a single tier stand). We will just have to see how clubs apply it in practice. At present I think only Sunderland in the PL are non-compliant and Newcastle next year if they come up. Those are the situations which we and the PL want to outlaw.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 11, 2016 9:40:19 GMT
Depends how you view it, but for me the upper tier at Spurs and Chelsea offer a much better view than the lower, and I think Man utd seats are pretty decent tbh. Much poorer view imo being down the bottom at arsenal for instance, and I think the view at liverpool and everton are shocking for 'pitchside' views. Obvs there is the extreme where newcastle and sunderland are too far away and West ham is just down right odd. Of course whether you want a high or low view is a matter of subjective choice and the ideal arrangement is a single tier stand which gives you that choice. Newcastle and Sunderalnd give you hobson's choice of a very high view with little chance of contributing significantly to the atmosphere. That's what we and the PL want to get rid of.
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