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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 6, 2016 9:44:19 GMT
People are making up what leaving the EU actually entails I can agree with that. We voted on one thing, to leave the EU. Not on the common market, not on the freedom of movement of people, not on which EU laws to keep or the European Court of Human Rights. Lots of people, on both sides, are using the result to reflect popularity for the Brexit they believe should happen. Here's an episode of the Daily Politics Show. Unsurprisingly it's Clegg with the straw man argument this time around. It starts at about 6:30 in and watch the clip at 11:30 Daily Politics Show 20th October 2016. WE DID KNOW WHAT WE WERE VOTING FOR  |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 6, 2016 9:46:01 GMT
Unfortunately Titus, the progressive people got trampled & drowned out by the screams of the mob, braying "Greed is good!" Your patronising knows no bounds - the pair of you. Taking the same condescending, sneering and insulting tone presented on the EU-sponsored BBC since the vote. And true of many other remoaners. I, and many others like me, knew what we were voting for. I won't bore you with a list but immigration was a way down the list. Yes, it's complicated but so is brain surgery, and if someone took a rusty screwdriver to do the job and brain damaged someone, the average person in the street would understand the problem. The EU is not the tool for the job. And it's not even the right job. This sneering all-knowing tone about 'upholding the law' of the past few days from remoaners tells you all you need to know about many of them. Funny how, in their great wisdom, this was never mentioned when they were out waving the flags of tyranny in London, like the EU is some hippie get together. In fact, the average remoaner cannot differentiate between the EU and Europe. The reason it was not mentioned is because it's make it up as you go along from the establishment trYing to blockade the will of the people. Anyway, even the dumbest remoaner should acknowledge the choice was clear - leave or remain. And if this vote is not democratically upheld by parliament, there are serious, serious consequences that far outweigh that original choice. The Judges haven't voted to overturn the referendum result though have they? This is the line of the foriegn billionaire owners of The Daily Mail..The Sun..The Daily Express. What the decision means is that Parliament must debate Article 50 instead of just The Conservative Party ( ie The Government) pushing it through without any opposition to what the Tories decide. That's the primary reason why these papers are slating the judges. These rags have politicised the debate. The Judges are debating points of Law. (1) But Liz Truss is shit scared.of Murdoch. Conrad Black. Lord Rothermere. Extremely wealthy and powerful Press Barons that have their own agendas Just because you voted Brexit doesn't mean you support the Conservative Party' I don't and I voted Brexit (And just for the record I wouldnt vote Labour either) (1) Referendum results in the UK are not legally binding. The UK has no written constitution. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2016 9:56:51 GMT
However wizzard the Tory party had the result in their manifesto and won the election so they have a clear mandate on the referendum.
The terms cannot be debated prior in parliament because we do not know the terms.
If the debate is purely in pressing the button then surely not many MPs will vote against the people so the reality is this court case means nothing and was a complete waste of resources
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 6, 2016 9:58:15 GMT
Your patronising knows no bounds - the pair of you. Taking the same condescending, sneering and insulting tone presented on the EU-sponsored BBC since the vote. And true of many other remoaners. I, and many others like me, knew what we were voting for. I won't bore you with a list but immigration was a way down the list. Yes, it's complicated but so is brain surgery, and if someone took a rusty screwdriver to do the job and brain damaged someone, the average person in the street would understand the problem. The EU is not the tool for the job. And it's not even the right job. This sneering all-knowing tone about 'upholding the law' of the past few days from remoaners tells you all you need to know about many of them. Funny how, in their great wisdom, this was never mentioned when they were out waving the flags of tyranny in London, like the EU is some hippie get together. In fact, the average remoaner cannot differentiate between the EU and Europe. The reason it was not mentioned is because it's make it up as you go along from the establishment trYing to blockade the will of the people. Anyway, even the dumbest remoaner should acknowledge the choice was clear - leave or remain. And if this vote is not democratically upheld by parliament, there are serious, serious consequences that far outweigh that original choice. The Judges haven't voted to overturn the referendum result though have they? This is the line of the foriegn billionaire owners of The Daily Mail..The Sun..The Daily Express. What the decision means is that Parliament must debate Article 50 instead of just The Conservative Party ( ie The Government) pushing it through without any opposition to what the Tories decide. That's the primary reason why these papers are slating the judges. Maybe that's a bit too complicated for some. Just because you voted Brexit doesn't mean you support the Conservative Party' I don't and I voted Brexit (And just for the record I wouldnt vote Labour either) Apparently Red Jez is threatening to block article 50, a true man of principle to block what he has been campaigning for all his political career  |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 6, 2016 10:03:49 GMT
However wizzard the Tory party had the result in their manifesto and won the election so they have a clear mandate on the referendum. The terms cannot be debated prior in parliament because we do not know the terms. If the debate is purely in pressing the button then surely not many MPs will vote against the people so the reality is this court case means nothing and was a complete waste of resources Cameron agreed to hold a referendum on the EU to shut the Right Wing of the Conservative Party up. He never thought we'd vote out. We did. That does not give the Conservative Party the right to trigger Article 50 automatically without debate. It's a bit like getting in a car, starting it up, then driving aimlessly without a map. The key words Salop are Parliamentary Democracy. We either live in one or we don't. That is more important than any referendum. Any government can call a referendum on any subject at any time. Referendums in the UK are not legally binding apparently. I'm not trying to wriggle out Salop I voted Brexit. Just debating the points of the argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 10:19:44 GMT
People are making up what leaving the EU actually entails I can agree with that. We voted on one thing, to leave the EU. Not on the common market, not on the freedom of movement of people, not on which EU laws to keep or the European Court of Human Rights. Lots of people, on both sides, are using the result to reflect popularity for the Brexit they believe should happen. All we want from the EU is a trade agreement, nothing else. We are a civilised enough country to make our own laws. We can't do a trade deal until we leave. The EU has been pretty clear as to where it stands. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 6, 2016 10:35:48 GMT
I can agree with that. We voted on one thing, to leave the EU. Not on the common market, not on the freedom of movement of people, not on which EU laws to keep or the European Court of Human Rights. Lots of people, on both sides, are using the result to reflect popularity for the Brexit they believe should happen. Here's an episode of the Daily Politics Show. Unsurprisingly it's Clegg with the straw man argument this time around. It starts at about 6:30 in and watch the clip at 11:30 Daily Politics Show 20th October 2016. WE DID KNOW WHAT WE WERE VOTING FOR If voters were clever enough to filter out all other messages during the pre-referendum debate and only see that 30 second montage then sure, everyone would know what a Brexit vote was. But you and I both know that a vote for Brexit was not necessarily a vote to leave the single market (although in many of the cases it will have been of course). We don't know what the people think of the common market, because we've never been asked. Anyway, I'll invoke arguement 4.6 of the right-wing charter to defend this video - "Mainstream media innit - must be bullshit". |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 6, 2016 10:40:55 GMT
However wizzard the Tory party had the result in their manifesto and won the election so they have a clear mandate on the referendum. The terms cannot be debated prior in parliament because we do not know the terms. If the debate is purely in pressing the button then surely not many MPs will vote against the people so the reality is this court case means nothing and was a complete waste of resources It's an intractable problem , parliament want to debate the terms of leaving and agree them before we trigger article 50 . The EU won't discuss these terms until we pull the trigger . Then what if parliament don't like the terms . What happens then ? The only way forward is go for a snap election and hope for an overall majority . |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2016 11:25:08 GMT
However wizzard the Tory party had the result in their manifesto and won the election so they have a clear mandate on the referendum. The terms cannot be debated prior in parliament because we do not know the terms. If the debate is purely in pressing the button then surely not many MPs will vote against the people so the reality is this court case means nothing and was a complete waste of resources It's an intractable problem , parliament want to debate the terms of leaving and agree them before we trigger article 50 . The EU won't discuss these terms until we pull the trigger . Then what if parliament don't like the terms . What happens then ? The only way forward is go for a snap election and hope for an overall majority . The tories would get a much bigger majority this time. I would also be surprised if the SNP didn't suffer some losses too |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 6, 2016 11:45:55 GMT
You're post has demonstrated entirely why we never should have had a referendum on an issue 99.99% of the population do not fully understand. I am not having a go at you, i include myself and everyone else who is not an EU lawyer as whilst I have studied EU law I do not know the complexities. The politicians are proving they know very little about it too. You really don't need to be a lawyer to understand that principles of democracy and self-governance were being irrevocably eroded by our membership of the EU. You don't understand the EU and how it works then in comparison to our LESS democratic political system |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 6, 2016 11:55:42 GMT
Here's an episode of the Daily Politics Show. Unsurprisingly it's Clegg with the straw man argument this time around. It starts at about 6:30 in and watch the clip at 11:30 Daily Politics Show 20th October 2016. WE DID KNOW WHAT WE WERE VOTING FOR If voters were clever enough to filter out all other messages during the pre-referendum debate and only see that 30 second montage then sure, everyone would know what a Brexit vote was. But you and I both know that a vote for Brexit was not necessarily a vote to leave the single market (although in many of the cases it will have been of course). We don't know what the people think of the common market, because we've never been asked. Anyway, I'll invoke arguement 4.6 of the right-wing charter to defend this video - "Mainstream media innit - must be bullshit". Straw man argument you don't leave the single market, every country in the world bar North Korea has access to the single the UK will still have access after brexit, the only change is whether it is tariff free. I do believe WTO terms were mentioned during the campaign so people did know what they were voting for and as for tariff free access this actually costs the UK £4bn a year, WTO terms would net the UK around £8bn a year on top of the £4bn a year saving so i'm pretty sure the EU will deal on tariffs if the UK will give them even the slightest fig leaf of some sort of payment. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 6, 2016 12:04:25 GMT
I can agree with that. We voted on one thing, to leave the EU. Not on the common market, not on the freedom of movement of people, not on which EU laws to keep or the European Court of Human Rights. Lots of people, on both sides, are using the result to reflect popularity for the Brexit they believe should happen. Here's an episode of the Daily Politics Show. Unsurprisingly it's Clegg with the straw man argument this time around. It starts at about 6:30 in and watch the clip at 11:30 Daily Politics Show 20th October 2016. WE DID KNOW WHAT WE WERE VOTING FOR can you believe people actually liked nick clegg breifly in 2010 ? granted it was only for about 5 minutes, then everyone went back to wanting to kick him squarely in the bollocks... but still, hard to believe now. what clegg is actually saying every time he talks is "lets be absolutely clear, British people are idiots incapable of knowing what they're voting for, i'm right, i'm always right! now i'm off to let off profusely and smell my own beautiful flatulence" |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 6, 2016 13:08:42 GMT
Your patronising knows no bounds - the pair of you. Taking the same condescending, sneering and insulting tone presented on the EU-sponsored BBC since the vote. And true of many other remoaners. I, and many others like me, knew what we were voting for. I won't bore you with a list but immigration was a way down the list. Yes, it's complicated but so is brain surgery, and if someone took a rusty screwdriver to do the job and brain damaged someone, the average person in the street would understand the problem. The EU is not the tool for the job. And it's not even the right job. This sneering all-knowing tone about 'upholding the law' of the past few days from remoaners tells you all you need to know about many of them. Funny how, in their great wisdom, this was never mentioned when they were out waving the flags of tyranny in London, like the EU is some hippie get together. In fact, the average remoaner cannot differentiate between the EU and Europe. The reason it was not mentioned is because it's make it up as you go along from the establishment trYing to blockade the will of the people. Anyway, even the dumbest remoaner should acknowledge the choice was clear - leave or remain. And if this vote is not democratically upheld by parliament, there are serious, serious consequences that far outweigh that original choice. The Judges haven't voted to overturn the referendum result though have they? This is the line of the foriegn billionaire owners of The Daily Mail..The Sun..The Daily Express. What the decision means is that Parliament must debate Article 50 instead of just The Conservative Party ( ie The Government) pushing it through without any opposition to what the Tories decide. That's the primary reason why these papers are slating the judges. These rags have politicised the debate. The Judges are debating points of Law. (1) But Liz Truss is shit scared.of Murdoch. Conrad Black. Lord Rothermere. Extremely wealthy and powerful Press Barons that have their own agendas Just because you voted Brexit doesn't mean you support the Conservative Party' I don't and I voted Brexit (And just for the record I wouldnt vote Labour either) (1) Referendum results in the UK are not legally binding. The UK has no written constitution. Advise me of last time a referendum went throught this? It's because - despite all the lies, all the propaganda, all the luvvies, all the insults, all the bullying, all the uneven coverage, all the corporations and all the banks - they didn't get the vote they anticipated. Thinking people knew, before it even took place, that it would be an establishment stitch-up, (just like they knew before the Iraq War), and every single thing that has happened has proven this hunch correct. |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 6, 2016 13:12:53 GMT
Here's an episode of the Daily Politics Show. Unsurprisingly it's Clegg with the straw man argument this time around. It starts at about 6:30 in and watch the clip at 11:30 Daily Politics Show 20th October 2016. WE DID KNOW WHAT WE WERE VOTING FOR can you believe people actually liked nick clegg breifly in 2010 ? granted it was only for about 5 minutes, then everyone went back to wanting to kick him squarely in the bollocks... but still, hard to believe now. what clegg is actually saying every time he talks is "lets be absolutely clear, British people are idiots incapable of knowing what they're voting for, i'm right, i'm always right! now i'm off to let off profusely and smell my own beautiful flatulence" I find it almost impossible to believe that this shameless cunt was re-elected to Parliament. It surely cannot have been the student vote in Sheffield that got him, after the fees betrayal. Are people that stupid that they would elect someone locally because they like the idea of a well-known national political face? |
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 6, 2016 13:19:49 GMT
Because if someone doesn't know about how the British legislative body works they almost certainly won't know how the EU legislative body works. If they don't know that (and lots of other things about the EU and how it impacts on us) then they are not qualified to vote on whether we should leave or remain in the EU because they don't understand the EU. No people understand how much money they earn and how far it gets them. They know who is getting a good deal and who isn't. They know every year they get poorer and poorer and being in the EU just seems to be causing them more problems. They know all they need to know about the EU. Can the whole country be wrong? The whole of england and wales apart from london voted brexit. Now life in London might be fantastic, but what about everyone else. So going by what you are saying, the only people capable of voting live in London. Now you say people seem to think the E U makes them less well off well how come Wales voted to leave when per capita they received £50 more per year from the E U than they paid in ,voters have been lied to by Brexit campaigners about how much we send,by who is going to join (if it so bad why do countries want to join) about what deals we can get on trade after we leave. As Oggyoggy said they gave votes to people with no political knowledge on the most important of issues which will impact most severely on the very people and areas that voted for it. The E U has given the working class of this country so much for which it gets no credit workers rights, pension rights,travel rights,countless regeneration schemes for which they get no praise, research (72% of E U health research budget is spent in this country) which when we leave could well bring back the "brain drain" we had prior to joining as people go overseas for better careers. Even our own overseas players with the £ so low will be after moving back to Europe or pay rises to make up the shortfall. I am of a age when whilst not loaded it should not affect me too much but a weak £ will lead to price rises that will impact on the poorest with food banks being more and more prevalent and jobs thin on the ground,i don`t know your age but i do remember pre E U Britain all to well. |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 6, 2016 14:06:17 GMT
It's an intractable problem , parliament want to debate the terms of leaving and agree them before we trigger article 50 . The EU won't discuss these terms until we pull the trigger . Then what if parliament don't like the terms . What happens then ? The only way forward is go for a snap election and hope for an overall majority . The tories would get a much bigger majority this time. I would also be surprised if the SNP didn't suffer some losses too Yeh anything to keep her smug self important pig face out of it |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2016 14:24:47 GMT
The tories would get a much bigger majority this time. I would also be surprised if the SNP didn't suffer some losses too Yeh anything to keep her smug self important pig face out of it I know quite a few people who vote plaid cymru but don't want independence I would imagine it's the same up in scotland |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 6, 2016 14:35:37 GMT
Unfortunately Titus, the progressive people got trampled & drowned out by the screams of the mob, braying "Greed is good!" Your patronising knows no bounds - the pair of you. Taking the same condescending, sneering and insulting tone presented on the EU-sponsored BBC since the vote. And true of many other remoaners. I, and many others like me, knew what we were voting for. I won't bore you with a list but immigration was a way down the list. Yes, it's complicated but so is brain surgery, and if someone took a rusty screwdriver to do the job and brain damaged someone, the average person in the street would understand the problem. The EU is not the tool for the job. And it's not even the right job. This sneering all-knowing tone about 'upholding the law' of the past few days from remoaners tells you all you need to know about many of them. Funny how, in their great wisdom, this was never mentioned when they were out waving the flags of tyranny in London, like the EU is some hippie get together. In fact, the average remoaner cannot differentiate between the EU and Europe. The reason it was not mentioned is because it's make it up as you go along from the establishment trYing to blockade the will of the people. Anyway, even the dumbest remoaner should acknowledge the choice was clear - leave or remain. And if this vote is not democratically upheld by parliament, there are serious, serious consequences that far outweigh that original choice. Fact, not patronising & what serious consequences would you suggest, cause I would predict to square root of jack... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 15:33:55 GMT
No people understand how much money they earn and how far it gets them. They know who is getting a good deal and who isn't. They know every year they get poorer and poorer and being in the EU just seems to be causing them more problems. They know all they need to know about the EU. Can the whole country be wrong? The whole of england and wales apart from london voted brexit. Now life in London might be fantastic, but what about everyone else. So going by what you are saying, the only people capable of voting live in London. Now you say people seem to think the E U makes them less well off well how come Wales voted to leave when per capita they received £50 more per year from the E U than they paid in ,voters have been lied to by Brexit campaigners about how much we send,by who is going to join (if it so bad why do countries want to join) about what deals we can get on trade after we leave. As Oggyoggy said they gave votes to people with no political knowledge on the most important of issues which will impact most severely on the very people and areas that voted for it. The E U has given the working class of this country so much for which it gets no credit workers rights, pension rights,travel rights,countless regeneration schemes for which they get no praise, research (72% of E U health research budget is spent in this country) which when we leave could well bring back the "brain drain" we had prior to joining as people go overseas for better careers. Even our own overseas players with the £ so low will be after moving back to Europe or pay rises to make up the shortfall. I am of a age when whilst not loaded it should not affect me too much but a weak £ will lead to price rises that will impact on the poorest with food banks being more and more prevalent and jobs thin on the ground,i don`t know your age but i do remember pre E U Britain all to well. So we send £18 billion a year to the EU we get a rebate of £5 billion and £4.5 billion was given (back) to the Uk from the EU. So britain is footing the bill and the EU are getting the plaudits. I wonder what the administration costs are. Someone is on a good screw. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 6, 2016 15:48:47 GMT
Your patronising knows no bounds - the pair of you. Taking the same condescending, sneering and insulting tone presented on the EU-sponsored BBC since the vote. And true of many other remoaners. I, and many others like me, knew what we were voting for. I won't bore you with a list but immigration was a way down the list. Yes, it's complicated but so is brain surgery, and if someone took a rusty screwdriver to do the job and brain damaged someone, the average person in the street would understand the problem. The EU is not the tool for the job. And it's not even the right job. This sneering all-knowing tone about 'upholding the law' of the past few days from remoaners tells you all you need to know about many of them. Funny how, in their great wisdom, this was never mentioned when they were out waving the flags of tyranny in London, like the EU is some hippie get together. In fact, the average remoaner cannot differentiate between the EU and Europe. The reason it was not mentioned is because it's make it up as you go along from the establishment trYing to blockade the will of the people. Anyway, even the dumbest remoaner should acknowledge the choice was clear - leave or remain. And if this vote is not democratically upheld by parliament, there are serious, serious consequences that far outweigh that original choice. Fact, not patronising & what serious consequences would you suggest, cause I would predict to square root of jack... How do you feel about Corbyn threatening to block article 50 ?, a man of principal  a true socialist a man who has campaigned against the EU all his political career, when it comes to the crunch he is prepared to deny the people democracy, what an hypocritical prick he is. |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 6, 2016 16:12:26 GMT
Fact, not patronising & what serious consequences would you suggest, cause I would predict to square root of jack... How do you feel about Corbyn threatening to block article 50 ?, a man of principal a true socialist a man who has campaigned against the EU all his political career, when it comes to the crunch he is prepared to deny the people democracy, what an hypocritical prick he is. I feel pretty despondent that we've found ourselves up $#!t creek without a paddle... |
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Post by hammered on Nov 6, 2016 16:25:17 GMT
Parliament and the Lords despite the headlines IMO will vote through so we can excercise Article 50 by end of March.
Corporate doomsayers and the previously discarded EU brown-nosing political trash crawling out from under rocks will continue regardless of how quickly we proceed to a practical completion - including the shameless Clegg, Blair etc.. acting like spoilt children crying "not fair" as their vested interests and magic gravy boat toy gets put out for re-cyling.
I'd argue though, surely with no Shenghen or single currency, we were never morphed so deeply into the maze of Brussels bureaucracy and bull-shit, so as the divorce to be more than that of people and trade. Immigration and Single Market.
IMO we have little to fear taking the hard-line on both. The (trying to save face) EU is not in a position to dictate and which ever way you look at it:
Leave 52% - Remain 48% or as MP's on a FFP system: Leave 63% - Remain 37% - Brexit is the will of the people.
Get on with it.
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 6, 2016 16:26:38 GMT
How do you feel about Corbyn threatening to block article 50 ?, a man of principal a true socialist a man who has campaigned against the EU all his political career, when it comes to the crunch he is prepared to deny the people democracy, what an hypocritical prick he is. I feel pretty despondent that we've found ourselves up $#!t creek without a paddle... The only way Corbyn would get my vote is if he DID block article 50. |
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 6, 2016 17:37:36 GMT
You really don't need to be a lawyer to understand that principles of democracy and self-governance were being irrevocably eroded by our membership of the EU. You don't understand the EU and how it works then in comparison to our LESS democratic political system Thanks for your presumptions. As it goes, I'd like to see PR introduced, the abolition of the Lords, and hopefully, once Liz leaves this mortal coil, the end of the monarchy. The difference between the UK and the EU being, that I can make my voice on these issues heard. I know where my MP's office is, and I know that the the Commons is actually a legislative body worthy of the name. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 6, 2016 17:58:26 GMT
This sort of sums you up...you seriously know fuck all about parliamentary democracy or procedure do you? Why should you have a working knowledge about parliamentary procedure to have an opinion of whether we stay in Europe or leave? The arrogance of the self appointed Remainer intelligentsia is staggering. Nothing to do with arrogance matey...just an understanding of Parliamentary procedure. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 6, 2016 18:30:04 GMT
How do you feel about Corbyn threatening to block article 50 ?, a man of principal a true socialist a man who has campaigned against the EU all his political career, when it comes to the crunch he is prepared to deny the people democracy, what an hypocritical prick he is. I feel pretty despondent that we've found ourselves up $#!t creek without a paddle... You are falling for the bollocks the media is spouting. There are cunts everywhere speculating on the markets shitting on our currency, certain businesses are using Brexit as an excuse for job losses and profit warnings. It's all bollocks. We haven't left yet so they don't know what deal is on the table. Shameless scaremongering You do t know the creek yet nor do you know the size of the paddle. If we end up with a shit deal. Moan away But until then the left are just using Brexit as an excuse to moan about anything |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 6, 2016 18:36:28 GMT
I feel pretty despondent that we've found ourselves up $#!t creek without a paddle... You are falling for the bollocks the media is spouting. There are cunts everywhere speculating on the markets shitting on our currency, certain businesses are using Brexit as an excuse for job losses and profit warnings. It's all bollocks. We haven't left yet so they don't know what deal is on the table. Shameless scaremongering You do t know the creek yet nor do you know the size of the paddle. If we end up with a shit deal. Moan away But until then the left are just using Brexit as an excuse to moan about anything No....we don't know which Creek yet, the size of it, the depth of it and whether we've even got a paddle. You said it. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 6, 2016 18:50:42 GMT
You are falling for the bollocks the media is spouting. There are cunts everywhere speculating on the markets shitting on our currency, certain businesses are using Brexit as an excuse for job losses and profit warnings. It's all bollocks. We haven't left yet so they don't know what deal is on the table. Shameless scaremongering You do t know the creek yet nor do you know the size of the paddle. If we end up with a shit deal. Moan away But until then the left are just using Brexit as an excuse to moan about anything No....we don't know which Creek yet, the size of it, the depth of it and whether we've even got a paddle. You said it. Dry your eyes mate, there will be plenty who will man the oars whatever creek we navigate, the rest can watch and moan and moan and moan and moan, try being a little magnanimous in defeat, mard arsed losers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 18:59:00 GMT
There's a lot of people in high places who need to be removed.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 6, 2016 19:04:05 GMT
No....we don't know which Creek yet, the size of it, the depth of it and whether we've even got a paddle. You said it. Dry your eyes mate, there will be plenty who will man the oars whatever creek we navigate, the rest can watch and moan and moan and moan and moan, try being a little magnanimous in defeat, mard arsed losers. Fantastic. That just about sums the situation up. |
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