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Post by chrisparker on Nov 8, 2016 23:22:27 GMT
It's debatable where he ranks among the all time Stoke greats but what's for certain is that he certainly is far & away the best player we have at the moment. Hughes played an absolute blinder in signing him for just 2 mill.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 23:52:28 GMT
None of the feckers could cross a ball like Bjarni! I loved Bjarni!!!! Arnie is a firm favourite of mine too as was Hoekstra! Stokie wingers I have enjoyed over the years all the way back to my first Stoke hero Rooster Russell! Rooster Russel - good call. What Rooster and Bjarni lacked in the more classy attributes, they more than made up for in one essential ingredient, end product. I'm fairly sure Bjarni was noted as having the most assists in the third division during our promotion campaign. And similarly, watch any video of Steino's great moments for us and see how many of his goals are laid almost on a plate for him by Rooster. Loved the pair of them. Going back to the Arnie, Etherington, Hoekstra question, while Hoekstra was easily the most naturally skilfull player I've ever seen, he lacked that end product most of the time. So, Arnie or Etherington? I can't help thinking that Etherington would have been massive for us in the current set up, but Arnie's now added goals to his game, so he just about edges it, but there's nowt between them really.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 9, 2016 7:13:58 GMT
Not quite sure how anyone can place Arnie and Ethers as equals but we all see the game differently.Below are the stats for Premier League appearances whilst playing for us.
Arnie 103 apps 17 goals 24 assists. Ethers 152 apps 13 goals 28 assists.
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2016 9:42:33 GMT
Not quite sure how anyone can place Arnie and Ethers as equals but we all see the game differently.Below are the stats for Premier League appearances whilst playing for us. Arnie 103 apps 17 goals 24 assists. Ethers 152 apps 13 goals 28 assists. One plays in a Hughes,more attacking, side though. Makes the stats less conclusive
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Post by elystokie on Nov 9, 2016 10:06:13 GMT
Not quite sure how anyone can place Arnie and Ethers as equals but we all see the game differently.Below are the stats for Premier League appearances whilst playing for us. Arnie 103 apps 17 goals 24 assists. Ethers 152 apps 13 goals 28 assists. One plays in a Hughes,more attacking, side though. Makes the stats less conclusive Point of order. Use of the word 'more' in that context is superfluous ;)
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 9, 2016 14:16:45 GMT
Not quite sure how anyone can place Arnie and Ethers as equals but we all see the game differently.Below are the stats for Premier League appearances whilst playing for us. Arnie 103 apps 17 goals 24 assists. Ethers 152 apps 13 goals 28 assists. One plays in a Hughes,more attacking, side though. Makes the stats less conclusive On the flip side,I'd suggest some/many of Ether's assists were from corner kicks!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Nov 9, 2016 23:10:31 GMT
Talk of pre-injury Hoekstra is all well and good but that's not the player we had is it. He was a talent and showed flashes of genius and had some great games, but on the whole didn't really deliver on a regular basis. For me he doesn't even come remotely close to what Ethers and Arnie have given us. That's a perfectly cromulent point. Only suggested it tbe comparable to their relevant level; rather than saying would you rather have Arnie in the Prem or Hooky in the third tier I said that, cause who'd pick the latter?
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 9, 2016 23:34:57 GMT
Talk of pre-injury Hoekstra is all well and good but that's not the player we had is it. He was a talent and showed flashes of genius and had some great games, but on the whole didn't really deliver on a regular basis. For me he doesn't even come remotely close to what Ethers and Arnie have given us. That's a perfectly cromulent point. Only suggested it tbe comparable to their relevant level; rather than saying would you rather have Arnie in the Prem or Hooky in the third tier I said that, cause who'd pick the latter? Yeah I understand. Although I'd say even Hoekstra's contribution at that level doesn't match Arnie at this level. He only played about half the games in the season we got promoted to the Championship without really tearing anything up. Once he kinda sorted his fitness out with his special shoes he did look better in the Championship although I'm betting his goals and assists rate weren't as good as Arnie. I feel like I'm being a complete bastard to him because I did really like him, but i mainly remember those games against Reading at that away game against Watford. People tend to forget many of the other games where he was rather ineffective against bog standard fullbacks, and I prefer to judge on overall output than showmanship. Liam Lawrence was a far better wide man for us at that level...
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Nov 9, 2016 23:41:23 GMT
That's a perfectly cromulent point. Only suggested it tbe comparable to their relevant level; rather than saying would you rather have Arnie in the Prem or Hooky in the third tier I said that, cause who'd pick the latter? Yeah I understand. Although I'd say even Hoekstra's contribution at that level doesn't match Arnie at this level. He only played about half the games in the season we got promoted to the Championship without really tearing anything up. Once he kinda sorted his fitness out with his special shoes he did look better in the Championship although I'm betting his goals and assists rate weren't as good as Arnie. I feel like I'm being a complete bastard to him because I did really like him, but i mainly remember those games against Reading at that away game against Watford. People tend to forget many of the other games where he was rather ineffective against bog standard fullbacks, and I prefer to judge on overall output than showmanship. Liam Lawrence was a far better wide man for us at that level... Again, all just chit-chat innit! Loved Liam but as a right-sider he doesn't make the cut for the conversation... Tricky Dicky Cresssell on the other hand netted 12 for us, out of position, and in that crucial 07-08 season. Technically better for us than Hoekstra, but my question was "who would you rather have", slightly different to "who is better" which you can pretty much prove without debate with stats alone! Do completely get your point though marra.
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 9, 2016 23:58:24 GMT
Yeah I understand. Although I'd say even Hoekstra's contribution at that level doesn't match Arnie at this level. He only played about half the games in the season we got promoted to the Championship without really tearing anything up. Once he kinda sorted his fitness out with his special shoes he did look better in the Championship although I'm betting his goals and assists rate weren't as good as Arnie. I feel like I'm being a complete bastard to him because I did really like him, but i mainly remember those games against Reading at that away game against Watford. People tend to forget many of the other games where he was rather ineffective against bog standard fullbacks, and I prefer to judge on overall output than showmanship. Liam Lawrence was a far better wide man for us at that level... Again, all just chit-chat innit! Loved Liam but as a right-sider he doesn't make the cut for the conversation... Tricky Dicky Cresssell on the other hand netted 12 for us, out of position, and in that crucial 07-08 season. Technically better for us than Hoekstra, but my question was "who would you rather have", slightly different to "who is better" which you can pretty much prove without debate with stats alone! Do completely get your point though marra. Cresswell did great for us in the Championship, I remember thinking he'd score loads for us and he did. He was very much an out of position striker, and can hardly remember him putting in a decent ball. Guess that he just suited that team at that time with how we were set up, I doubt anyone would have him on any best wingers list. Hoekstra was a good un though, I'd rather have him than a lot of the other dross we've had out there over the years! Going back to the fully fit top of his game international level Hoekstra. I still suspect Arnie might be who I'd go for. But then i only saw Hoekstra play against England that time and he was wank just like his whole team.
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