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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Nov 7, 2016 23:01:12 GMT
Would you rather have him, a fully flying Matty Etherington, or a pre-damaged, pre-Stoke Peter Hoekstra?
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Post by mattador78 on Nov 7, 2016 23:03:55 GMT
Would you rather have him, a fully flying Matty Etherington, or a pre-damaged, pre-Stoke Peter Hoekstra? All three behind fuller or steino 👍
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Post by Stoke711 on Nov 7, 2016 23:04:57 GMT
Would you rather have him, a fully flying Matty Etherington, or a pre-damaged, pre-Stoke Peter Hoekstra? Hoekstra and Arnie down the wings with Ethers coming on later.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 7, 2016 23:20:17 GMT
Would you rather have him, a fully flying Matty Etherington, or a pre-damaged, pre-Stoke Peter Hoekstra? Loved Hoekstra. Loved Ethers. Arnie is better.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 8, 2016 7:46:45 GMT
Order of sainthood for me is
Hoekstra Arnie Ethers
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Post by Rick Grimes on Nov 8, 2016 8:03:40 GMT
He's just a nightmare for the opposition isn't he because he's got everything in his locker, full backs must hate coming up against him. He's my favourite player at the club and has been for some time.
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 8, 2016 9:13:49 GMT
Would you rather have him, a fully flying Matty Etherington, or a pre-damaged, pre-Stoke Peter Hoekstra? Hoekstra and Arnie down the wings with Ethers coming on later. This, hoekstra and arnie cutting in 😍😍 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Nov 8, 2016 9:17:27 GMT
Fast becoming my favorite Stoke player ever. Whisper it quietly, but isn't he becoming the greatest Stoke player since Sir Stan? My dad reckons he might be, and he saw Stan too. Definitely the best best I have seen in 30 years of watching!
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2016 9:53:35 GMT
Fast becoming my favorite Stoke player ever. Whisper it quietly, but isn't he becoming the greatest Stoke player since Sir Stan? My dad reckons he might be, and he saw Stan too. Definitely the best best I have seen in 30 years of watching! No. He might end up being a Stoke great but there a fair number of players better than Arnie in our history. Could do a list but can't it would be extensive. Best winger since Stan? No, Chamberlain and Conroy clearly better. Hoekstra and Etheringron? That's a debate worth having.
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Post by longthrowstokie on Nov 8, 2016 11:06:51 GMT
He's fantastic to watch, I don't know how he's still on our books but hopefully it stays that way!
The game that sums him up for me is West Ham away last season or the season before I believe, runs riot against the WH defence and has 2 disallowed goals. You can see he's fired up and isn't giving in, and in injury minute finally grabs the equaliser and he just goes wild with his celebration. Love him.
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Post by nutterpotter on Nov 8, 2016 11:14:31 GMT
He's fantastic to watch, I don't know how he's still on our books but hopefully it stays that way! The game that sums him up for me is West Ham away last season or the season before I believe, runs riot against the WH defence and has 2 disallowed goals. You can see he's fired up and isn't giving in, and in injury minute finally grabs the equaliser and he just goes wild with his celebration. Love him. People talk about how he gets wound up easily but I think that really helps him. When things aren't going his way, he gets fired up and his performances go to another level.
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Post by jstoke7 on Nov 8, 2016 11:16:51 GMT
Comparing Etherington and Arnie is ridiculous as far as I'm concerned, Arnie's in a completely different league.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Nov 8, 2016 11:20:45 GMT
Whisper it quietly, but isn't he becoming the greatest Stoke player since Sir Stan? My dad reckons he might be, and he saw Stan too. Definitely the best best I have seen in 30 years of watching! No. He might end up being a Stoke great but there a fair number of players better than Arnie in our history. Could do a list but can't it would be extensive. Best winger since Stan? No, Chamberlain and Conroy clearly better. Hoekstra and Etheringron? That's a debate worth having. I don't think Hoekstra (during his time at Stoke) nor Etherington were even close to the level of player that Arnautovic has been during his time here. Being too young to have watched both Conroy and Chamberlain, I have no grounds to compare, but is it generally accepted that Chamberlain was "clearly" better than Arnautovic as a footballer?
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2016 12:23:57 GMT
No. He might end up being a Stoke great but there a fair number of players better than Arnie in our history. Could do a list but can't it would be extensive. Best winger since Stan? No, Chamberlain and Conroy clearly better. Hoekstra and Etheringron? That's a debate worth having. I don't think Hoekstra (during his time at Stoke) nor Etherington were even close to the level of player that Arnautovic has been during his time here. Being too young to have watched both Conroy and Chamberlain, I have no grounds to compare, but is it generally accepted that Chamberlain was "clearly" better than Arnautovic as a footballer? As you didn't see him play I will let you off but yes miles better. & that's not a downer on Arnie either, Chamberlain was simply brilliant (much better than his son,who is a good player) Arnie better than Hooky & Ethers? yeh he probably is but I think it is close enough to debate.
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Post by kurt on Nov 8, 2016 12:34:34 GMT
He's fantastic to watch, I don't know how he's still on our books but hopefully it stays that way! The game that sums him up for me is West Ham away last season or the season before I believe, runs riot against the WH defence and has 2 disallowed goals. You can see he's fired up and isn't giving in, and in injury minute finally grabs the equaliser and he just goes wild with his celebration. Love him. It was a pity, that he missed especially the last game. Don't know why but against West Ham he is always on fire. Perhaps as the Hammers wanted to sign him from Werder Bremen but Marko declined
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 12:45:29 GMT
Chamberlain at his best was unreal. I doubt there was a more exciting player on the planet during that first season with us.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 8, 2016 12:55:40 GMT
Where does he fit in terms of our best players ever?
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Nov 8, 2016 13:09:14 GMT
He had his faults in his first season here but has improved year on year which is a credit to himself and Hughes. He set the bar so high last season I think he'll struggle to improve on it.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Nov 8, 2016 14:36:14 GMT
I don't think Hoekstra (during his time at Stoke) nor Etherington were even close to the level of player that Arnautovic has been during his time here. Being too young to have watched both Conroy and Chamberlain, I have no grounds to compare, but is it generally accepted that Chamberlain was "clearly" better than Arnautovic as a footballer? As you didn't see him play I will let you off but yes miles better. & that's not a downer on Arnie either, Chamberlain was simply brilliant (much better than his son,who is a good player) Arnie better than Hooky & Ethers? yeh he probably is but I think it is close enough to debate. Fair enough that. I've always been under the impression he was electric but maybe talked about with such fondness because of his performances in a struggling team. See, I have him down as possibly the most talented player I've seen in the red and white. As good as Etherington was at the time, I don't even consider it a contest. Now, a young, pre-debilitated Peter Hoekstra would have been a very compareable player.
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2016 14:36:30 GMT
Where does he fit in terms of our best players ever? Too early to say
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Post by lagwafis on Nov 8, 2016 15:02:28 GMT
As you didn't see him play I will let you off but yes miles better. & that's not a downer on Arnie either, Chamberlain was simply brilliant (much better than his son,who is a good player) Arnie better than Hooky & Ethers? yeh he probably is but I think it is close enough to debate. Fair enough that. I've always being under the impression he was electric but maybe talked about with such fondness because of his performances in a struggling team. See, I have him down as possibly the most talented player I've seen in the red and white. As good as Etherington was at the time, I don't even consider it a contest. Now, a young, pre-debilitated Peter Hoekstra would have been a very compareable player. It's difficult to compare as they're very different types of players. Chamberlain, Etherington, Beagrie etc. were out-and-out, traditional wingers who'd hug the touchline, get down the flank and put in crosses, usually to two centre forwards. To me Arnie is more of an outside forward (a term that doesn't get used too often these days) who'll cut inside and go central to support the centre forward when needed. I think an Arnie type of player is better in a 4231 or a 433 formation, but when you want to stretch teams in a 442 then Etherington, Beagrie, Chamberlain, Pennant etc. would have been the way to go, especially with two forwards in the middle to get on the end of crosses. Re: Hoekstra, technically he's one of the best technical players we've ever had although for impact I've always gone with Etherington as my favourite left winger (he made more and scored more at a higher level than Hoekstra, and his form in the 16 months or so before that injury was something special) Back to Arnautovic and he's well on course to being remembered as one of our greats. The most important thing was carrying over his consistency from last season and he's done that.
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Post by block30row19 on Nov 8, 2016 17:41:41 GMT
Whisper it quietly, but isn't he becoming the greatest Stoke player since Sir Stan? My dad reckons he might be, and he saw Stan too. Definitely the best best I have seen in 30 years of watching! No. He might end up being a Stoke great but there a fair number of players better than Arnie in our history. Could do a list but can't it would be extensive. Best winger since Stan? No, Chamberlain and Conroy clearly better. Hoekstra and Etheringron? That's a debate worth having. 70s red and white glasses !? I watched Conroy, Chamberlain etc. In my opinion none of them come anywhere near Arnie and his box of tricks. Though I do agree with above poster. I wouldn't give him the title just yet as he hasn't been here long enough.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 8, 2016 17:48:01 GMT
Arnie has literally the lot, apart from being a clinical finisher, the only reason he's not at a "top club" I think.
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Post by no1972 on Nov 8, 2016 18:21:58 GMT
The word great player is used to much,great players can win games on there own and turn in good performances most games and especially against the top sides.Arnie has gone from a below average player to a good player and now a very good player.The next step for him will be to score more and to have a influence on every game then he may become a great player.The problem his if he does turn into this great player the chances are he will be somewhere else.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Nov 8, 2016 18:24:57 GMT
No. He might end up being a Stoke great but there a fair number of players better than Arnie in our history. Could do a list but can't it would be extensive. Best winger since Stan? No, Chamberlain and Conroy clearly better. Hoekstra and Etheringron? That's a debate worth having. 70s red and white glasses !? I watched Conroy, Chamberlain etc. In my opinion none of them come anywhere near Arnie and his box of tricks. Though I do agree with above poster. I wouldn't give him the title just yet as he hasn't been here long enough. I saw quite a bit of Chamberlain who was phenomenal for us in one season. You just expected him to beat his man at will time after time. However, I feel Arnautovic has more to his all-round game with the best touch I have ever seen, and a real goal scoring threat which Chambo did not offer. Ethers was not as talented as Arnie but very effective for us in Pulis' rigid formation. Hoekstra was a real box of tricks and at his peak probably better than the lot but he operated for us at a lower level and was frequently injured so I don't think you could say he was a better player for us than Arnie. His performance against Reading at home (not when he got his hat-trick) remains to this day the best single performance I have seen by any Stoke player. We should celebrate them all when you think of some of the other left wingers we have had over the years...
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 8, 2016 18:37:44 GMT
He has the best touch from a footballer that I've ever seen.
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Post by meladben on Nov 8, 2016 18:43:36 GMT
Would you rather have him, a fully flying Matty Etherington, or a pre-damaged, pre-Stoke Peter Hoekstra? All three behind fuller or steino 👍 Ooooh, the thought of them lot on a pitch at the same time gave me a semi😛
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 8, 2016 18:52:11 GMT
Talk of pre-injury Hoekstra is all well and good but that's not the player we had is it. He was a talent and showed flashes of genius and had some great games, but on the whole didn't really deliver on a regular basis.
For me he doesn't even come remotely close to what Ethers and Arnie have given us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 19:31:12 GMT
None of the feckers could cross a ball like Bjarni!
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 8, 2016 22:34:07 GMT
None of the feckers could cross a ball like Bjarni! I loved Bjarni!!!! Arnie is a firm favourite of mine too as was Hoekstra! Stokie wingers I have enjoyed over the years all the way back to my first Stoke hero Rooster Russell!
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