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Post by VolvicStokie on Oct 24, 2016 21:32:41 GMT
Grant has certainly earned himself a lovely contract at Stoke. 2 year deal I'd suggest and a little wage rise with appearance and clean sheet bonuses to boot
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 24, 2016 22:16:31 GMT
Grant should stay as number 1. He's earned his place and shouldn't be dropped just because Butland is fit. The defence seem to have confidence in him too which is something that shouldn't be messed with. If it ain't broken, don't fix.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Oct 24, 2016 22:46:21 GMT
Grant should stay as number 1. He's earned his place and shouldn't be dropped just because Butland is fit. The defence seem to have confidence in him too which is something that shouldn't be messed with. If it ain't broken, don't fix. Jack is the better keeper no doubt but I have to agree with you. At a time when the team are finding themselves on a good run of form I would be very reluctant to change it. Plus it would be harsh on grant considering he has been in such good form for him to be kicked to the bench as soon as Butland is fit. As is the case with other players he should play himself back into the squad train hard as he always does and he'll get back in no time but for now grant stays in for me
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2016 0:11:11 GMT
The rise of Grant from Derby number 2/3 to the reincarnation of Lev Yashin is incredible.
He's done well and has shown Given up for the old man he is but by Christ there's some ott stuff written about him.
He's a bog standard goalie that's done a good job and really should be about third choice at a PL club. I'd like us to sign him but we'd still need another keeper.
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 25, 2016 0:26:34 GMT
The rise of Grant from Derby number 2/3 to the reincarnation of Lev Yashin is incredible. He's done well and has shown Given up for the old man he is but by Christ there's some ott stuff written about him. He's a bog standard goalie that's done a good job and really should be about third choice at a PL club. I'd like us to sign him but we'd still need another keeper. The trouble is, 'bog standard goalie' he may be, but him playing coincided precisely with us turning the corner from being absolutely dire to looking like a plausible side once more. Not to mention, two consecutive clean sheets which hasn't happened in a long time, especially not combined with victories. And I really don't think any of that's a coincidence. I don't care if he was previously number 2 or 3 at a lower league club and has no premiership experience - facts are facts, he's played a massive part in getting us the results and stabilising the club which was previously in freefall to relegation. If we beat Swansea...three wins out of three...especially if it's another clean sheet...well it'd be a brave or stupid manager who takes Grant out of the side at that point. Especially for a keeper who's been out injured for the best part of a year.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2016 0:29:19 GMT
The rise of Grant from Derby number 2/3 to the reincarnation of Lev Yashin is incredible. He's done well and has shown Given up for the old man he is but by Christ there's some ott stuff written about him. He's a bog standard goalie that's done a good job and really should be about third choice at a PL club. I'd like us to sign him but we'd still need another keeper. The trouble is, 'bog standard goalie' he may be, but him playing coincided precisely with us turning the corner from being absolutely dire to looking like a plausible side once more. Not to mention, two consecutive clean sheets which hasn't happened in a long time, especially not combined with victories. And I really don't think any of that's a coincidence. I don't care if he was previously number 2 or 3 at a lower league club and has no premiership experience - facts are facts, he's played a massive part in getting us the results and stabilising the club which was previously in freefall to relegation. If we beat Swansea...three wins out of three...especially if it's another clean sheet...well it'd be a brave or stupid manager who takes Grant out of the side at that point. Especially for a keeper who's been out injured for the best part of a year. Oh he's done well but Butland is a world class goalkeeper and walks straight back in when up and running. Like I said Grant should be a third choice Premier League goalie.
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Post by Royal Donut on Oct 25, 2016 1:20:57 GMT
The trouble is, 'bog standard goalie' he may be, but him playing coincided precisely with us turning the corner from being absolutely dire to looking like a plausible side once more. Not to mention, two consecutive clean sheets which hasn't happened in a long time, especially not combined with victories. And I really don't think any of that's a coincidence. I don't care if he was previously number 2 or 3 at a lower league club and has no premiership experience - facts are facts, he's played a massive part in getting us the results and stabilising the club which was previously in freefall to relegation. If we beat Swansea...three wins out of three...especially if it's another clean sheet...well it'd be a brave or stupid manager who takes Grant out of the side at that point. Especially for a keeper who's been out injured for the best part of a year. Oh he's done well but Butland is a world class goalkeeper and walks straight back in when up and running. Like I said Grant should be a third choice Premier League goalie. But on form he's a number one keeper, and if he carries on then he's staying put. If he plays like this for the rest of the season, he would be world class ( I know it's not going to happen, wishful thinking). But it gives Butland more time to get back to 100% and gives him some great competiton, which is good for both keepers. Butland walking straight into the team is not competition and that's bad for both keepers.
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Post by oldschool on Oct 25, 2016 9:33:34 GMT
The trouble is, 'bog standard goalie' he may be, but him playing coincided precisely with us turning the corner from being absolutely dire to looking like a plausible side once more. Not to mention, two consecutive clean sheets which hasn't happened in a long time, especially not combined with victories. And I really don't think any of that's a coincidence. I don't care if he was previously number 2 or 3 at a lower league club and has no premiership experience - facts are facts, he's played a massive part in getting us the results and stabilising the club which was previously in freefall to relegation. If we beat Swansea...three wins out of three...especially if it's another clean sheet...well it'd be a brave or stupid manager who takes Grant out of the side at that point. Especially for a keeper who's been out injured for the best part of a year. Oh he's done well but Butland is a world class goalkeeper and walks straight back in when up and running. Like I said Grant should be a third choice Premier League goalie. This is probably the most ridiculous comment I've heard on this message board, and I've seen some shite! Regardless of Butlands undoubted ability, we haven't kept a clean sheet in how long? The defense was looking toss, and based on form for the past 9 months, we looked nailed on for relegation (dont try to kid yourselves thinking that we were in a good position) Grant isn't a world beater and is playing above his station! HOWEVER, the back four have confidence in him, and in turn, it is revitalizing the team. I will take a revitalized squad, with a bog standard keeper who is giving them confidence, before rushing Jack back. If we carry on keeping clean sheets, why on earth would you want to disrupt it. I get Jack is a better keeper, but even he knows that if Grant isn't conceding, he can't stake a claim for the jersey! That said, when Jack is fit, as and when the time is right for him to return between the sticks, I am more than happy to see him back! Until then, I have faith in Lee Grant, and I am grateful of the effect he has had on the team!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2016 9:37:08 GMT
Oh he's done well but Butland is a world class goalkeeper and walks straight back in when up and running. Like I said Grant should be a third choice Premier League goalie. This is probably the most ridiculous comment I've heard on this message board, and I've seen some shite! Regardless of Butlands undoubted ability, we haven't kept a clean sheet in how long? The defense was looking toss, and based on form for the past 9 months, we looked nailed on for relegation (dont try to kid yourselves thinking that we were in a good position) Grant isn't a world beater and is playing above his station! HOWEVER, the back four have confidence in him, and in turn, it is revitalizing the team. I will take a revitalized squad, with a bog standard keeper who is giving them confidence, before rushing Jack back. If we carry on keeping clean sheets, why on earth would you want to disrupt it. I get Jack is a better keeper, but even he knows that if Grant isn't conceding, he can't stake a claim for the jersey! That said, when Jack is fit, as and when the time is right for him to return between the sticks, I am more than happy to see him back! Until then, I have faith in Lee Grant, and I am grateful of the effect he has had on the team! Oh yeah I think we're in a great position. Jesus wept! Butland is fit=he walks back in the side, simple as. And yes Grants form gives us more time for Butland to get fit. But once he is, he's in.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2016 9:38:28 GMT
Oh he's done well but Butland is a world class goalkeeper and walks straight back in when up and running. Like I said Grant should be a third choice Premier League goalie. But on form he's a number one keeper, and if he carries on then he's staying put. If he plays like this for the rest of the season, he would be world class ( I know it's not going to happen, wishful thinking). But it gives Butland more time to get back to 100% and gives him some great competiton, which is good for both keepers. Butland walking straight into the team is not competition and that's bad for both keepers. He walks in when he's fit like I said in my first post. And like I said there Grants form gives him more time to get fit. So yeah I agree. But once he's fit he's in.
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Post by stonestokie76 on Oct 25, 2016 19:01:53 GMT
I think if he keeps on keeping clean sheets he is number 1 right now regardless of Butland, but the moment we concede a few Butland will be straight back in. And to be fair that would send the right message. It does allow us to nurse Butland back without rushing which is great news in itself and I would deffo sign him up as Number 2, with Bachman 3rd choice, then sack the other two off Footy Manager Stylee!
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Post by foster on Oct 25, 2016 19:06:34 GMT
While we're picking up points i'd stick with Grant tbh. Only when he makes a mistake would i drop him. He deserves to play given the great job he did v Man Utd.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 25, 2016 19:24:30 GMT
Haugaard is terrible couldn't command his area and I can't recall him making a single save last season. His positioning always seemed to be wrong and everything that went on target seemed to go in.
Butland should come back in but Grant's performances means we can afford to wait until he's absolutely ready and not rush him like we'd have had to do if Grant had been as bad as Given and Haugaard have been. We need to get him on a permanent deal in January. I'm sure he'd take one if offered considering his age and the fact that he'd been on the bench in The Championship before us.
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 29, 2016 4:56:00 GMT
Butland still weeks away I can't see him playing at all in November
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Post by ysc1 on Oct 29, 2016 8:58:31 GMT
No rush to bring butland back. He will be our number one before christmas
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 29, 2016 9:31:59 GMT
I know Grants been on fire but every sheepshagger I talk to (and there's loads round me) say he does this but then has a run of games where he drops bollock after bollock. There's a reason he was Derbys third choice after all. It's great at the minute but how long will it be before the inner Gordon Marshall appears? So hurry back Jack, Granty will make a decent back up for now.
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Post by werrington on Oct 29, 2016 10:06:45 GMT
I know Grants been on fire but every sheepshagger I talk to (and there's loads round me) say he does this but then has a run of games where he drops bollock after bollock. There's a reason he was Derbys third choice after all. It's great at the minute but how long will it be before the inner Gordon Marshall appears? So hurry back Jack, Granty will make a decent back up for now. Burnley season ticket holder at work says he a cult figure there due to his clangers From what I've seen he's excellent
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Post by djduncanjames on Oct 29, 2016 10:38:06 GMT
I know Grants been on fire but every sheepshagger I talk to (and there's loads round me) say he does this but then has a run of games where he drops bollock after bollock. There's a reason he was Derbys third choice after all. It's great at the minute but how long will it be before the inner Gordon Marshall appears? So hurry back Jack, Granty will make a decent back up for now. Burnley season ticket holder at work says he a cult figure there due to his clangers From what I've seen he's excellent Maybe he is one of their "W's" and gets abuse for no reason. You know like Woolschied, Whelan, Walters, Wilson, Whitehead....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 17:38:56 GMT
easy this one -Butland goes in with Grant as cover -and the other three goalies are released
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 29, 2016 17:45:14 GMT
I know Grants been on fire but every sheepshagger I talk to (and there's loads round me) say he does this but then has a run of games where he drops bollock after bollock. There's a reason he was Derbys third choice after all. It's great at the minute but how long will it be before the inner Gordon Marshall appears? So hurry back Jack, Granty will make a decent back up for now. Burnley season ticket holder at work says he a cult figure there due to his clangers From what I've seen he's excellent Couldn't agree more mate on the evidence of my own eyes. Just telling you what the moaning sheepshagging tossers are saying. As soon as he's properly fit Jack should be back in but at the moment there's no need to rush him.
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Post by bertiestan on Oct 29, 2016 18:19:09 GMT
Butland should get straight back in when ready n Grant should n will be intelligent enough to understand he's back up to a young world class goalkeeper. No worries IMO n Grant is a very good goalkeeper.
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Post by surreystokie on Oct 29, 2016 20:54:12 GMT
Sadly, with Jack it is IF rather than WHEN. Every report I read on him states that he is still weeks away ( recent Sentinel) and is proved right. He obviously has complications and I don't see the point of any bulletins at all, when no-one has any idea when he is likely to return.
I'll not be surprised if he doesn't make it back until next season, frankly. We must accept our rotten luck - a brilliant GK who leaves us to go and sit on a bench for two seasons - and one who picks up the most serious injury while not even playing for us. Now is the time to be looking for a replacement and if Jack does return, they can fight it out for top place.
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Post by werrington on Oct 29, 2016 21:06:11 GMT
Sadly, with Jack it is IF rather than WHEN. Every report I read on him states that he is still weeks away ( recent Sentinel) and is proved right. He obviously has complications and I don't see the point of any bulletins at all, when no-one has any idea when he is likely to return. I'll not be surprised if he doesn't make it back until next season, frankly. We must accept our rotten luck - a brilliant GK who leaves us to go and sit on a bench for two seasons - and one who picks up the most serious injury while not even playing for us. Now is the time to be looking for a replacement and if Jack does return, they can fight it out for top place. He's back on the pitch and training with the squad according to Hughes
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Post by nutterpotter on Oct 30, 2016 0:29:06 GMT
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Post by timbo1988 on Oct 30, 2016 8:18:37 GMT
More issues!
This has got a Dean Ashton feel about it! Breaks ankle on international duty and then never right again and forced to retire!
Hopefully they can sort the issue out!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 30, 2016 8:26:12 GMT
I would be very interested to know how much the FA are paying us in compensation for this. Sickening bad news. I fear we'll need to get extra cover in in January for Grant as none of our other keepers are up to it. Very sad news.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 30, 2016 8:40:58 GMT
I would be very interested to know how much the FA are paying us in compensation for this. Sickening bad news. I fear we'll need to get extra cover in in January for Grant as none of our other keepers are up to it. Very sad news. Yes I would hope that we are busy scouting reinforcements.
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Post by Matt on Oct 30, 2016 8:45:13 GMT
Very worrying news. Jack has youth on his side but you would have expected the initial injury to be cleared up long before now.
This season was a great opportunity for Jack with Hart out of the limelight. A strong start to the season should have seen him claim the England No.1 shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 10:00:50 GMT
Just read the news. Bloody hell.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 30, 2016 10:13:44 GMT
I think it would be sensible to add another experienced goalkeeper at this point and give Haugaard a loan opportunity - he is young by GK development and is in need of some playing time and confidence. Jack did this for a number of seasons Grant has made a very good start, however we should acknowledge that he has "only " played against, Hull, Sunderland and Man Utd . It may make sense to buy him (even if we pay a bit above the odds) and loan another experienced goal keeper Such devastating news for Jack - with hindsight, Hughes comments that he has to be patient in his recovery may in fact explain this new set back
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