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Post by raythesailor on Oct 23, 2016 16:15:34 GMT
If and when Jack is fit and well again what is going to happen with regards to Grant ?
Grant has been like a breath of fresh air since he came into the team and IMHO been very instrumental in our recovery from a very shaky start to the season. His very steady performances have given the defenders in front of him confidence which has then passed on to the rest of the squad.
Should Jack return to the bench, or walk straight back into the team ?
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Post by ElworthPotter on Oct 23, 2016 16:17:10 GMT
100% Butland gets straight back in without a doubt. However we should be signing Grant in Jan and having him as good back up. Given that he was back up at Derby not so long ago I'm sure he'd take that. We can ship Haugaard out if Grant comes in on a permanent
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2016 16:18:07 GMT
He should pretty much walk straight in.
But what it does do is give us more time to get Butland properly fit and ready so he doesn't have a flare up of the issue and is good for Christmas onwards.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 16:20:15 GMT
given should go and sign grant .....or keep the all
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 23, 2016 16:23:04 GMT
Jack straight back in. No question.
Keep Grant as no2. He may be nailed to his line on crosses, but he is still light years ahead of Haugaard.
Given is sadly past it.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 23, 2016 16:59:54 GMT
Grant's been a breath of fresh air... compared to Shay Given. Butland back in when he's ready and it can't come soon enough.
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Post by muglump on Oct 23, 2016 17:07:55 GMT
Butland is one of the best goalies around so he has to be first choice, but not till he is absolutely 100%, Grant is a fine cover man especially as jack seems to get crocked a fair bit for a young guy
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Post by walrus on Oct 23, 2016 17:10:02 GMT
Butland should come straight back in. So far Grant has performed the job he was brought in to do admirably, and I'd be happy if we attempted to reward him with a permanent move in January, but if fit Butland should always be our keeper.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 23, 2016 17:13:18 GMT
Butland will be straight back but Grants influence has been massive in the 4 unbeaten premier games he's played in
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 17:14:43 GMT
There's no point paying lip service to the thought that Grant could keep Butland out of the side. He can't, so there needs to be honesty, with Butland back in as soon as he's 100% fit.
At the same time, the impact of having an in-form second choice keeper on our recent revival can't be under played. He's given the defence the confidence they'd been lacking, and I'm sure this has put a stop to the seemingly mandatory 4-goal batterings.
We've got a few games now to see whether he really is that good, or if this is a blip. Then hopefully we can make him a decent offer to stay as our second choice.
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Post by robstokie on Oct 23, 2016 19:08:17 GMT
As soon as Butland is fit, he has to be back in the team. We need to get Grant signed up as soon as possible, I dread the thought of Butland getting injured again and having to turn to Given or Haugaard...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2016 21:01:39 GMT
Would the Bury game on November 8th be too soon?
On paper it's the ideal one to bring him back if he's ready.
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Post by Jimm on Oct 23, 2016 21:39:32 GMT
It's good to know we've got two quality keepers now to rely on
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 23, 2016 22:42:27 GMT
Will Butland be as good as he used to be when he returns?
We don't have a great record regarding players coming back from injury, and Grant is in brilliant form and has helped transform the team.
This matter has to be handled carefully, it isn't as straightforward as everyone is suggesting. Maybe there's a case for Jack to return after Christmas, rather than the very second he's fit. What happened to old fashioned ideas like playing a few reserve games first to assess things? In the meantime Grant is a more than capable understudy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 22:54:58 GMT
Butland should take over number 1 spot when he is fit and ready to go. However the club should try to sign Grant in January. He is great back up if Jack gets injured or loses form. He would be very reliable in cup games. We owe Lee big time. His performance at Old Trafford as turned our season around. It was the catalyst for our upturn in form. He is a very competent keeper.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 23, 2016 22:58:46 GMT
He should pretty much walk straight in. But what it does do is give us more time to get Butland properly fit and ready so he doesn't have a flare up of the issue and is good for Christmas onwards. This, pretty much. Grant will be happy to extend his loan until the summer. He might even settle for a permanent deal as our No.2 considering his age and mercenary style career.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 23:48:51 GMT
He might even settle for a permanent deal as our No.2 considering his age and mercenary style career. I'm not sure settle is the right word. He'd surely be on the receiving end of a significant payrise. Maybe he'd prefer to be a number 1 at a different club. As good as he has been I don't envisage another Premiership club will be looking to make him their number 1 but if he carries on the way he's started Derby might just be willing to make that promise.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 24, 2016 2:17:51 GMT
Will Butland be as good as he used to be when he returns? We don't have a great record regarding players coming back from injury, and Grant is in brilliant form and has helped transform the team. This matter has to be handled carefully, it isn't as straightforward as everyone is suggesting. Maybe there's a case for Jack to return after Christmas, rather than the very second he's fit. What happened to old fashioned ideas like playing a few reserve games first to assess things? In the meantime Grant is a more than capable understudy. Hey Scotty. You make way too much sense to be posting on here!😜
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Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2016 6:31:27 GMT
For me when jack is fit he's got to start on the bench because Grant has done nothing wrong infact he's been superb tbh.
We don't need to rush him straight back into action. Having him back would be like having a brilliant new signing.
Come on stoke
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Oct 24, 2016 6:32:17 GMT
Derby's new manager played Grant last time he was at Derby so that adds a complication into the mix. Money talks so we should be able to get him to join the Potters in January. Clearly Lee is the better option as back up goalie. I feel sorry for Haugaurd but he simply isn't good enough for Stoke and Shay is well on his way to retirement. So we need additional cover at the backinJanuary - having only one defender in the bench in each of the last few games speaks volumes.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 24, 2016 15:49:25 GMT
We need to extend Grants loan, or sign him in Jan.let Given retire and sod butterfingers off.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 24, 2016 15:55:19 GMT
For me, Jack needs as much time as possible to heal. It's quite evident that rushing him back has been a fucking disaster so far. If the doctor says he'll be fine in 2 weeks, give him 4. It's that simple. He needs more than enough time to heal.
I read that Jack COULD play against Swansea..... if so, then he should be on the bench, waving to fans and getting the crowd going before the game. We'd be utterly mental to throw him in the mix. Granty is a good keeper and is doing fine right now. Give our virtuoso young keeper the chance to properly heal, otherwise we will regret it.
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Post by pipesurgeon on Oct 24, 2016 17:04:44 GMT
Butland back in when he is fit but there's no hurry Grant is doing ok the defence are now comfortable with him unlike with Given... he's 40 years old !!!!!!
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Oct 24, 2016 17:15:15 GMT
Jack breezes back into the team but grant has earned a contract far as im concerned.
The improvement over recent games has been largely down to him. Back 4 look so much more confident with him behind them.
Great keeper in his day but given should pack it up now. Back 4 were bag of nerves with him in sticks.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 24, 2016 17:27:41 GMT
Jack back as soon as fully fit. Grant offered a 2.5 year deal as number 2. Haugaard, Given and Bachmann gone in the summer.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Oct 24, 2016 17:38:02 GMT
100% Butland gets straight back in without a doubt. However we should be signing Grant in Jan and having him as good back up. Given that he was back up at Derby not so long ago I'm sure he'd take that. We can ship Haugaard out if Grant comes in on a permanent I would prefer to keep Haugaard, let Shay go. Loan out Haugaard..
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2016 17:49:48 GMT
Butland obviously comes straight back in and Grant would give his right arm to be Stoke's number 2.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 24, 2016 17:50:45 GMT
Butland obviously comes straight back in and Grant would give his right arm to be Stoke's number 2.
I'm not sure he'd be much use as a keeper afterwards, mind........
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Post by ElworthPotter on Oct 24, 2016 17:51:33 GMT
100% Butland gets straight back in without a doubt. However we should be signing Grant in Jan and having him as good back up. Given that he was back up at Derby not so long ago I'm sure he'd take that. We can ship Haugaard out if Grant comes in on a permanent I would prefer to keep Haugaard, let Shay go. Loan out Haugaard.. Haugaard has shown is he isn't good enough. Butland in, Grant to Number 2, Bachmann as extra cover, Shay gone or coaching staff imo
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Post by Roger Everyone on Oct 24, 2016 18:12:44 GMT
I would prefer to keep Haugaard, let Shay go. Loan out Haugaard.. Haugaard has shown is he isn't good enough. Butland in, Grant to Number 2, Bachmann as extra cover, Shay gone or coaching staff imo Haugaard was thrown in to soon, he had hardly played that many games before he got here. I think he will turn out good. Don't forget we where playing pretty rubbish as a team when he got played. Just my thoughts...
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