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Post by woodstein on Oct 8, 2016 7:40:45 GMT
I see former player Gayle has turned down a MBE because of its reference to the Empire. Why should a tradition be changed to pander to folk who don't like some things that happened in our past? History cannot be changed and most countries have skeletons in their closet. Live in the present instead of digging bad things up from the past. No one has a go about the Roman Empire and they were no angels. The Scandinavians are a friendly peaceful people but no one has a go at them about what the Vikings did!
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Post by ElworthPotter on Oct 8, 2016 7:45:59 GMT
In fairness the Brits raped and pillaged our way across the world to create the British empire so if someone that's a descendent of an area where we did that doesn't want to accept an honour referring to it I think that's probably fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 7:48:30 GMT
I see former player Gayle has turned down a MBE because of its reference to the Empire. Why should a tradition be changed to pander to folk who don't like some things that happened in our past? History cannot be changed and most countries have skeletons in their closet. Live in the present instead of digging bad things up from the past. No one has a go about the Roman Empire and they were no angels. The Scandinavians are a friendly peaceful people but no one has a go at them about what the Vikings did! Slavery was a tradition. Some traditions are just shit and should be changed. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 8, 2016 7:59:24 GMT
Its a preposterous institution with a preposterous name celebrating some frankly shameful practices. Well within his rights.
On another note been reading extracts from his book this week. What a racist anus Tommy Smith was at Liverpool.
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Post by felonious on Oct 8, 2016 8:00:31 GMT
Give him an MMB Member of the miserable bastards  |
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Post by pottarius on Oct 8, 2016 8:06:11 GMT
I think he's entitled to his opinion and fair do's to him for turning it down based on his personal feelings
I also think he may have a point. The empire is long gone and no matter what jingoistic view people have on it in little England it is generally a stain on how other countries view us. You tell him to live in the present but with constant referral to the British Empire it us living in the past dreaming of the glory of our Empire that serverd to enslave millions, kill countless others and pilfer resources & artefacts to line the pockets of the gentry (not the likes of you & I that's for sure). No I'm not a Corbynista before you ask!
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Post by woodstein on Oct 8, 2016 8:17:08 GMT
Slavery wasn't actually s tradition it was used all around the world. The Egyptians started it but again it seems only Britain and the Americans did it. It is happening here today and is used by immigrants of all people! ie, sex trade and people smuggling.
The honours list is to recognise folk for their contributions not to celebrate past things, even though they are handed out nowadays willy nilly.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 8, 2016 8:25:41 GMT
The honours list is to recognise folk for their contributions not to celebrate past things, even though they are handed out nowadays willy nilly. If we must have an outdated Monarchy and an outdated honours system, call it something modern and relevant and not something that adds a sense of shame to the honour. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 9:07:54 GMT
Whatever happened, it's not the fault of people who live in today's world. You cannot change the past!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 8, 2016 9:26:38 GMT
Well, you learn summat new everyday. I always thought that things like an MBE were given out to honour people who'd brought some good to the world in one way or another, but having read this thread it turns out it means you support slavery & want to see the British Empire re-established.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 9:36:40 GMT
Has done some scouting for us in the recent past. Not sure if he's still with us though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 8, 2016 9:38:17 GMT
Whatever happened, it's not the fault of people who live in today's world. You cannot change the past! You can't change the past but you dont have to live in it! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 9:46:29 GMT
Not everything connected to the history of this country was detrimental to the rest of the World .....we actually achieved some positive things .
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 8, 2016 10:45:07 GMT
What was he getting one for anyway?
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Post by Honky on Oct 8, 2016 10:47:46 GMT
Deport him. If he doesn't like our way's he can fucking go.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 8, 2016 10:49:35 GMT
Deport him. If he doesn't like our way's he can fucking go. You'll find a lot of like minded morons friends on this board son.  |
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Post by Honky on Oct 8, 2016 10:51:58 GMT
Deport him. If he doesn't like our way's he can fucking go. You'll find a lot of like minded morons friends on this board son. Right you are ---helmet--- Dad |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 8, 2016 10:54:26 GMT
You'll find a lot of like minded morons friends on this board son. Right you are ---helmet--- Dad I'm really interested in where he can 'go'. He was born in Toxteth. Sending him back there is a harsh punishment for turning down an MBE |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 8, 2016 10:57:33 GMT
Not everything connected to the history of this country was detrimental to the rest of the World .....we actually achieved some positive things . This is definitely true, however it may not feel that way to someone whose cultural heritage was to be at the receiving end of some of the Empire's less positive largesse.
Besides, the Empire doesn't exist any more so "Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" is a fairly ridiculous title. Time to rename it.
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Post by Honky on Oct 8, 2016 11:00:45 GMT
Right you are ---helmet--- Dad I'm really interested in where he can 'go'. He was born in Toxteth. Sending him back there is a harsh punishment for turning down an MBE France. Don't care |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 8, 2016 11:06:20 GMT
I'm really interested in where he can 'go'. He was born in Toxteth. Sending him back there is a harsh punishment for turning down an MBE France. Don't care That might be difficult post Brexit. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 11:13:14 GMT
Not everything connected to the history of this country was detrimental to the rest of the World .....we actually achieved some positive things . Oh god forbid we big ourselves up mate ......we are British after all Nowadays we seem to spend our time beating ourselves and our nation up |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 8, 2016 11:26:58 GMT
Not everything connected to the history of this country was detrimental to the rest of the World .....we actually achieved some positive things . Oh god forbid we big ourselves up mate ......we are British after all Nowadays we seem to spend our time beating ourselves and our nation up Plenty to big ourselves up about, science, culture etc. The Empire at worst was a distasteful criminal enterprise and a best is an archaic remainder of a bygone age. Give awards by all means but make them relevant and contemporary. The Britsh fucking Empire indeed. |
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 8, 2016 11:37:27 GMT
Right if we're going down that route i want reparations for the damages my family suffered during the occupation of the Roman empire, Viking pillages and the Norman conquest throw in the Germans for damages from the 2nd world war as well as the japs then we can give a that to who else we pissed off. Follow that up with claiming compensation from the Irish government for actions involving their citizens during the Irish troubles which we can then give to the northern Irish for the trouble we caused and top it off with a bit of pressure on the Arab nations for any of their involvement with Islamic fundamentalism. Its one big giant circus as pointed out there were as many African tribes involved in slave trading as were being traded it has been a currency of warfare since we first started chucking rock's at each other as monkeys in the stone age. As a nation and an empire we were one of the first to abolish slavery and have a more open and acceptable society hell women had less rights in this country than a colored male citizen at the turn of the century. I accept that our nation has done for want of a better word ropey things in the past show me one that hasnt or its descendants/ancestors that have strayed over a line. Its a case of point we shouldn't have to change a tradition because some one may take offence to a wording or phrase. Hell ive been discriminated against in society today because im from a council estate lower income and catholic you have to roll with things at times. My youngest daughter has been sexually harrased by a black lad a college now the colour of his skin make no difference to me his actions do but then have to pussyfoot around incase i offend him because he is a minority ive had my fill we are all human no matter what the way i see it if your a cunt your a count and I'll treat you that way just dont ask me too treat you different because of your age religion colour of skin or gender/sexual orientation.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 8, 2016 11:49:14 GMT
Right if we're going down that route i want reparations for the damages my family suffered during the occupation of the Roman empire, Viking pillages and the Norman conquest throw in the Germans for damages from the 2nd world war as well as the japs then we can give a that to who else we pissed off. Follow that up with claiming compensation from the Irish government for actions involving their citizens during the Irish troubles which we can then give to the northern Irish for the trouble we caused and top it off with a bit of pressure on the Arab nations for any of their involvement with Islamic fundamentalism. Its one big giant circus as pointed out there were as many African tribes involved in slave trading as were being traded it has been a currency of warfare since we first started chucking rock's at each other as monkeys in the stone age. As a nation and an empire we were one of the first to abolish slavery and have a more open and acceptable society hell women had less rights in this country than a colored male citizen at the turn of the century. I accept that our nation has done for want of a better word ropey things in the past show me one that hasnt or its descendants/ancestors that have strayed over a line. Its a case of point we shouldn't have to change a tradition because some one may take offence to a wording or phrase. Hell ive been discriminated against in society today because im from a council estate lower income and catholic you have to roll with things at times. My youngest daughter has been sexually harrased by a black lad a college now the colour of his skin make no difference to me his actions do but then have to pussyfoot around incase i offend him because he is a minority ive had my fill we are all human no matter what the way i see it if your a cunt your a count and I'll treat you that way just dont ask me too treat you different because of your age religion colour of skin or gender/sexual orientation. Paragraphs aren't a politically correct construct mate. |
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 8, 2016 11:52:58 GMT
Right if we're going down that route i want reparations for the damages my family suffered during the occupation of the Roman empire, Viking pillages and the Norman conquest throw in the Germans for damages from the 2nd world war as well as the japs then we can give a that to who else we pissed off. Follow that up with claiming compensation from the Irish government for actions involving their citizens during the Irish troubles which we can then give to the northern Irish for the trouble we caused and top it off with a bit of pressure on the Arab nations for any of their involvement with Islamic fundamentalism. Its one big giant circus as pointed out there were as many African tribes involved in slave trading as were being traded it has been a currency of warfare since we first started chucking rock's at each other as monkeys in the stone age. As a nation and an empire we were one of the first to abolish slavery and have a more open and acceptable society hell women had less rights in this country than a colored male citizen at the turn of the century. I accept that our nation has done for want of a better word ropey things in the past show me one that hasnt or its descendants/ancestors that have strayed over a line. Its a case of point we shouldn't have to change a tradition because some one may take offence to a wording or phrase. Hell ive been discriminated against in society today because im from a council estate lower income and catholic you have to roll with things at times. My youngest daughter has been sexually harrased by a black lad a college now the colour of his skin make no difference to me his actions do but then have to pussyfoot around incase i offend him because he is a minority ive had my fill we are all human no matter what the way i see it if your a cunt your a count and I'll treat you that way just dont ask me too treat you different because of your age religion colour of skin or gender/sexual orientation. Paragraphs aren't a politically correct construct mate. DISCRIMINATION!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 8, 2016 11:55:16 GMT
Right if we're going down that route i want reparations for the damages my family suffered during the occupation of the Roman empire, Viking pillages and the Norman conquest throw in the Germans for damages from the 2nd world war as well as the japs then we can give a that to who else we pissed off. Follow that up with claiming compensation from the Irish government for actions involving their citizens during the Irish troubles which we can then give to the northern Irish for the trouble we caused and top it off with a bit of pressure on the Arab nations for any of their involvement with Islamic fundamentalism. Its one big giant circus as pointed out there were as many African tribes involved in slave trading as were being traded it has been a currency of warfare since we first started chucking rock's at each other as monkeys in the stone age. As a nation and an empire we were one of the first to abolish slavery and have a more open and acceptable society hell women had less rights in this country than a colored male citizen at the turn of the century. I accept that our nation has done for want of a better word ropey things in the past show me one that hasnt or its descendants/ancestors that have strayed over a line. Its a case of point we shouldn't have to change a tradition because some one may take offence to a wording or phrase. Hell ive been discriminated against in society today because im from a council estate lower income and catholic you have to roll with things at times. My youngest daughter has been sexually harrased by a black lad a college now the colour of his skin make no difference to me his actions do but then have to pussyfoot around incase i offend him because he is a minority ive had my fill we are all human no matter what the way i see it if your a cunt your a count and I'll treat you that way just dont ask me too treat you different because of your age religion colour of skin or gender/sexual orientation. Paragraphs aren't a politically correct construct mate. Ps when your sat on the throne when youve just got in from work they are an optional extra. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 8, 2016 12:01:02 GMT
Paragraphs aren't a politically correct construct mate. Ps when your sat on the throne when youve just got in from work they are an optional extra. I'm retired mate. I live in genteel poverty. |
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 8, 2016 12:05:21 GMT
Ps when your sat on the throne when youve just got in from work they are an optional extra. I'm retired mate. I live in genteel poverty. Jammy bastard 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 13:10:32 GMT
Not everything connected to the history of this country was detrimental to the rest of the World .....we actually achieved some positive things . This is definitely true, however it may not feel that way to someone whose cultural heritage was to be at the receiving end of some of the Empire's less positive largesse.
Besides, the Empire doesn't exist any more so "Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" is a fairly ridiculous title. Time to rename it.
I'm not really to concerned what they call the awards that are presented these days .....it's the constant sniping concerning the country''s history that irritates me ...mostly people quoting tired old cliches about concentration camps and slavery amongst other things ..there is plenty to be proud of where Britain is concerned and it's place in history ....people do seem to want to focus though only on negative aspects of it . |
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