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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 10:58:07 GMT
Lets hope this turns out well. RAF Seviceman not been seen for over a week , missing from his base Nr Bury St Edmunds, and police have told his family there is a poosibility he may have been abducted/kidnapped, in similar circumstances to a foiled attempt in the same area back in July. uk.news.yahoo.com/police-widen-search-missing-raf-082032513.html |
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Post by woodstein on Oct 3, 2016 11:57:52 GMT
Its time all our off-duty servicemen are allowed to be armed. If that had been the case, Lee Rigby could be still alive and 2 scumbags would be dead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 12:29:51 GMT
Hope this turns out well but if he's been missing for a week it's not looking good. Just hope he is rescued or manages to escape in one piece. Something needs to be done to try to better protect our off-duty servicemen and women. If/when the perpetrators are found we will only put them through the court system whereas IMO we should bring back the death penalty for acts of terrorism - Lee Rigby's sadistic killers being a prime example.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 12:35:01 GMT
I was in The Royal Navy at the height of the IRA troubles, and we absolutely under no circumstances could thumb a lift home in uniform, we were all sitting targets though as we all bought RN T Shirts whilst hitching...Never took more than a couple of minutes getting a ride from A38 Plymouth heading north...
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 3, 2016 13:36:59 GMT
I'm a serving member of the RN, and I'm not optimistic about a happy ending. There's much I wish I could say. I just want all my armed forces colleagues to use their common sense and not get themselves in situations that could unravel. Watch your backs, and your mates back. It seems unbelievable that no physical evidence has turned up yet of this lads whereabouts. Praying for you mate.
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Post by Northy on Oct 3, 2016 13:50:08 GMT
I was in The Royal Navy at the height of the IRA troubles, and we absolutely under no circumstances could thumb a lift home in uniform, we were all sitting targets though as we all bought RN T Shirts whilst hitching...Never took more than a couple of minutes getting a ride from A38 Plymouth heading north... tight arse fooker  couldnt anybody hire a car  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 13:58:36 GMT
I was in The Royal Navy at the height of the IRA troubles, and we absolutely under no circumstances could thumb a lift home in uniform, we were all sitting targets though as we all bought RN T Shirts whilst hitching...Never took more than a couple of minutes getting a ride from A38 Plymouth heading north... tight arse fooker couldnt anybody hire a car LOL...Bet you did the same... Once got a lift all the way from Plymouth to the Windmill at Werrington, in one go...Miserable bastard wouldn't take me to my door though... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 14:01:09 GMT
I'm a serving member of the RN, and I'm not optimistic about a happy ending. There's much I wish I could say. I just want all my armed forces colleagues to use their common sense and not get themselves in situations that could unravel. Watch your backs, and your mates back. It seems unbelievable that no physical evidence has turned up yet of this lads whereabouts. Praying for you mate. What staggers me is the fact that the incident in July went largely un noticed, and this one has took a week to be reported...Hidden agenda maybe...It's fairly obvious what most people are thinking, especially as the guy in July described his would be attackers as of Middle East appearance... What do you do in the RN...How long you been in... |
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Post by Northy on Oct 3, 2016 14:01:36 GMT
tight arse fooker couldnt anybody hire a car LOL...Bet you did the same... Once got a lift all the way from Plymouth to the Windmill at Werrington, in one go...Miserable bastard wouldn't take me to my door though... nope i never hitch hiked always seemed to get a lift to stoke or nearby like derby and got a train, or id hire a car and fill it with people |
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Post by Boiler on Oct 3, 2016 14:24:13 GMT
Its time all our off-duty servicemen are allowed to be armed. If that had been the case, Lee Rigby could be still alive and 2 scumbags would be dead. I agree, it may have saved the poor lad, but arming ex-servicemen may not be a great idea as many suffer with post-traumatic stress and often face real hardships when trying to assimilate themselves back to life on on civvy street  But then again I think guns on the street, in the hands of anyone are a bad idea period |
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Post by woodstein on Oct 3, 2016 15:01:59 GMT
I didn't mean arming ex forces! just off duty ones.
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Post by Boiler on Oct 3, 2016 15:03:27 GMT
I didn't mean arming ex forces! just off duty ones. Soz mate, not reading you right. That's not too farfetched as it stands  |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 3, 2016 15:20:57 GMT
Its time all our off-duty servicemen are allowed to be armed. If that had been the case, Lee Rigby could be still alive and 2 scumbags would be dead. I don't think a gun would have saved Lee Rigby sadly, that's the nightmare scenario where he (or anyone) had no chance. The missing RAF lad should have stuck with his pals, and should have got a taxi. I'd say in those rural areas being on your own is a no-no. All armed forces personnel have to take their personal security seriously, we are targets after all. In a perfect world I'd like to see an expanded military provost guard service conduct vehicle patrols in the vicinity of the bases that they guard. Arming our off duty service personnel would create more problems than it'd solve. |
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Post by ryan4england on Oct 3, 2016 15:39:39 GMT
I was in The Royal Navy at the height of the IRA troubles, and we absolutely under no circumstances could thumb a lift home in uniform, we were all sitting targets though as we all bought RN T Shirts whilst hitching...Never took more than a couple of minutes getting a ride from A38 Plymouth heading north... tight arse fooker couldnt anybody hire a car A navy serviceman with a tight arse? |
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Post by woodstein on Oct 3, 2016 20:48:52 GMT
In Lee Rigby's case I reckon a gun could well have been useful when some maniac approached one with a machete! It would be ok to arm personnel to and from their leave, as long as they don't take it along when out with their mates on the piss.
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 3, 2016 21:11:42 GMT
tight arse fooker couldnt anybody hire a car LOL...Bet you did the same... Once got a lift all the way from Plymouth to the Windmill at Werrington, in one go...Miserable bastard wouldn't take me to my door though... Lakeland can be a twat at times.  |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 3, 2016 21:28:30 GMT
In Lee Rigby's case I reckon a gun could well have been useful when some maniac approached one with a machete! It would be ok to arm personnel to and from their leave, as long as they don't take it along when out with their mates on the piss. Lee Rigby was knocked over with a car initially. A Glock pistol wouldn't have made a difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 21:30:02 GMT
I hope the young man turns up safe and sound.....it seems worryingly unlikely now though .
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Post by woodstein on Oct 3, 2016 22:19:47 GMT
No point nitpicking exact incidents but if scum knew that forces were armed off duty it might put some of them off in the first place. Fight fire with fire I say.
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Post by woodstein on Oct 3, 2016 22:32:21 GMT
Just read that government (not before time), will try stop the other enemy - the leeches that are the "legal" teams who try to sue our armed forces. How on earth can these toe rags defend the enemy? They should be prosecuted for treason.
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Post by Boiler on Oct 4, 2016 2:05:34 GMT
Let's hope this airman shows up safe and sound |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 3:50:40 GMT
In Lee Rigby's case I reckon a gun could well have been useful when some maniac approached one with a machete! It would be ok to arm personnel to and from their leave, as long as they don't take it along when out with their mates on the piss. Lee Rigby was knocked over with a car initially. A Glock pistol wouldn't have made a difference. Possibly DP, but you never know, while he was on the ground injured he may have possibly been able to draw his weapon, bit Hollywood I know, but we'll never know... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 13:25:39 GMT
Is this making the news in the UK.
Not been a mention of it on BBC World...
I always can't help feeling there is often something of a media blanket on issues like this, the attempted one in July hardly got a mention.
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Post by Northy on Oct 4, 2016 14:09:17 GMT
I havent seen it at all apart from the link on here.
Hope he is found OK
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Oct 4, 2016 14:29:27 GMT
Cctv footage shows him at 3am walking through town centre. Dropping phone and unsteady on feet, he has been known to walk the 10miles back to base on previous nights out. Phone found in a bin lorry 20 miles from where last seen? This has all the hallmarks of him lying in a ditch somewhere, it has been 11 days now, I pray to god i'm wrong and he turns up safe and well!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 4, 2016 15:08:44 GMT
Cctv footage shows him at 3am walking through town centre. Dropping phone and unsteady on feet, he has been known to walk the 10miles back to base on previous nights out. Phone found in a bin lorry 20 miles from where last seen? This has all the hallmarks of him lying in a ditch somewhere, it has been 11 days now, I pray to god i'm wrong and he turns up safe and well! it was 9 miles from where last seen and NOT found in a bin lorry at all. they seized a bin lorry as the gps movements from the phone showed it was moving along the same route as a bin lorry,. that lorry has now been released as they have searched it and found no trace of his phone at all (not having a pop at you in any way mate, i know the facts seem to change every minute as they think they find something then discover they haven't etc.) must admit i find the idea of him being abducted because he's in the RAF a bit strange as he wasn't in uniform at all and, even if someone knew he was RAF and knew what he looked like and were following him and waiting for a chance to abduct him then why didn't they do it whilst he was taking a nap in a shop doorway at gone 3am, instead of waiting until he'd woken up again and then carried on walking? all seems very, very odd. just have to hope for a safe return but a lot of things about this "Kidnapped because he's military" idea don't seem to have much behind it (obviously that's just my opinion based on the very little info that has been published. the very fact there's been so little coverage to me makes it sound far more like any other missing person appeal than an orchestrated targeted abduction). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 13:04:04 GMT
Cctv footage shows him at 3am walking through town centre. Dropping phone and unsteady on feet, he has been known to walk the 10miles back to base on previous nights out. Phone found in a bin lorry 20 miles from where last seen? This has all the hallmarks of him lying in a ditch somewhere, it has been 11 days now, I pray to god i'm wrong and he turns up safe and well! it was 9 miles from where last seen and NOT found in a bin lorry at all. they seized a bin lorry as the gps movements from the phone showed it was moving along the same route as a bin lorry,. that lorry has now been released as they have searched it and found no trace of his phone at all (not having a pop at you in any way mate, i know the facts seem to change every minute as they think they find something then discover they haven't etc.) must admit i find the idea of him being abducted because he's in the RAF a bit strange as he wasn't in uniform at all and, even if someone knew he was RAF and knew what he looked like and were following him and waiting for a chance to abduct him then why didn't they do it whilst he was taking a nap in a shop doorway at gone 3am, instead of waiting until he'd woken up again and then carried on walking? all seems very, very odd. just have to hope for a safe return but a lot of things about this "Kidnapped because he's military" idea don't seem to have much behind it (obviously that's just my opinion based on the very little info that has been published. the very fact there's been so little coverage to me makes it sound far more like any other missing person appeal than an orchestrated targeted abduction). There was an attempted kidnapping of an Airman in the same area back in July, he managed to fight them off, and described his 2 would be kidnappers as " Of Middle Eastern" appearance. I'm sure they would have scoured the route he would have walked and found a body by now if he'd keeled over drunk and perished...I hope I am wrong, I REALLY hope he has not been kidnapped... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 13:08:40 GMT
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Post by Northy on Oct 5, 2016 13:12:27 GMT
That was just the RAF partaking in a bit of dogging "Two men were seen acting suspiciously in a blue Renault Clio." |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 5, 2016 13:27:26 GMT
it was 9 miles from where last seen and NOT found in a bin lorry at all. they seized a bin lorry as the gps movements from the phone showed it was moving along the same route as a bin lorry,. that lorry has now been released as they have searched it and found no trace of his phone at all (not having a pop at you in any way mate, i know the facts seem to change every minute as they think they find something then discover they haven't etc.) must admit i find the idea of him being abducted because he's in the RAF a bit strange as he wasn't in uniform at all and, even if someone knew he was RAF and knew what he looked like and were following him and waiting for a chance to abduct him then why didn't they do it whilst he was taking a nap in a shop doorway at gone 3am, instead of waiting until he'd woken up again and then carried on walking? all seems very, very odd. just have to hope for a safe return but a lot of things about this "Kidnapped because he's military" idea don't seem to have much behind it (obviously that's just my opinion based on the very little info that has been published. the very fact there's been so little coverage to me makes it sound far more like any other missing person appeal than an orchestrated targeted abduction). There was an attempted kidnapping of an Airman in the same area back in July, he managed to fight them off, and described his 2 would be kidnappers as " Of Middle Eastern" appearance. I'm sure they would have scoured the route he would have walked and found a body by now if he'd keeled over drunk and perished...I hope I am wrong, I REALLY hope he has not been kidnapped... but 1) the 2 incidents happened nearly 40 miles apart...one in Norfolk and one in Suffolk 2) the one in July happened as he was jogging just outside the base so it would seem likely they'd know full well (or at least take a very well educated guess) he was RAF 3) this one happened over 10 miles from his base and he was in civilian clothing with nothing whatsoever to identify him as being a member of the services 4) if they somehow still knew he was RAF and followed him to abduct him, then doesn't it seem weird that they don't bother to take him while he's out of it and asleep in a doorway but actually wait for him to wake up and carry on walking where he would obviously then be in a position to shout, scream and cause the biggest commotion possible? obviously we're probably not party to all of the facts but i genuinely don't see a single thing from the facts that have been published to indicate this is specific targeting of the armed forces. even the police have now started to search rivers and lakes as they think one likely scenario is he inured himself and fell in (as he was obviously a tad under the influence and his route home apparently goes past several waterways and lakes). obviously we all hope he is found safe and well (which unfortunately seems increasingly unlikely the longer it goes on) but at this stage not even the police has suggested a link between the 2 events, they simply said they couldn't rule out abduction in the same way they can't rule out ANY possibility (but the media that have reported on it seemed to have simply concentrated on the "not ruling our abduction" bit because it makes better copy) seems to me that the only thing linking them is the fact they're both servicemen...if you take that away then this specific incident seems far more like a "normal" missing person case when someone is leathered whereas the one in July was very, very different. the truth will out though and i just hope it's a positive outcome! |
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