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Post by wuzza on Sept 18, 2016 16:47:11 GMT
To be honest though Pugs I would be asking more questions of the Chairman's son and the CEO who surely are the men who should be driving this project forwards. If that's the case then fair enough BUT it appears questioning the powers that be are not allowed. It's just a knee jerk reaction - I don't think people are taking the time to look behind your 'headline'. PC has been and indeed is the saviour of this club but everything points to me that things could have been more actively managed in recent times - we have had lots of good publicity in the past 3 seasons or so and I think the assumption has wrongly been made that everything in the garden is rosy. The stuff we are witnessing at the moment is a culmination of a lot of inaction, dismal pre-season arrangements and a few other things IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 16:47:42 GMT
It's all to easy to blame the manager (and the Hughes is cuplable) but who appoints him? Who monitors him? Who lets it slide? SPC will wield the axe when he needs to. Last week, interview with tea and biscuits. Monday morning, interview without tea and biscuits. Next interview, the lawyers are present.
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Post by michelle1863 on Sept 18, 2016 16:47:47 GMT
In fairness we had a shitty end to last season and an even Shittier start to this one, but to say we are rotten top to bottom is a bit of a stretch...we haven't been like some of the clubs like Newcastle last year who had circled the edge of the drop for a few seasons, and clearly had many problems both on and off the pitch. I agree, there is clearly some huge issues at the moment, losing as we have been game after game isn't right, but as recent as 6 months ago we were been talked about in the media as A well run club, with a great dressing room, and looked upon as a premier league mainstay. I think to suggest the chairman needs changing is crazy, he genuinely loves this football club. I don't know what's gone wrong, it seems something catastrophic, but I don't see how Coates going would help! I just hope we stumble across the solution, as I can't see right now how things will improve (well unless butlland gets back between the sticks or some of the players grow a pair and start showing some passion!) Reading comments about getting rid of the chairman fills me with unease and I actually think we need to make sure we get behind the lads and try and get us back on track! I really hope this is a blip, but it suddenly feels like we are needing a miracle?! What the hells happened!? Even the commentators today seemed to be scratching their heads?!
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Post by no1972 on Sept 18, 2016 16:49:38 GMT
I don't totally agree with the post but I can see what I think he means.The man at the top is responsible for everyone ,so if the organisation is performing poorly ,then he needs to sort it.I f he cannot sort it and there were shareholders which there are not he would be voted out.He needs to find out why the correct players were not identified and brought to the club,he needs to find out who recommended 18 million for a conference league player,he needs to find out why we paid 12 million for a player always injured.If he sanctioned all this then he needs to hand over the rails if the GEO is responsible then he must go.
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Post by butlerstbob on Sept 18, 2016 16:49:48 GMT
I don't know mate, maybe, maybe not! I just think it's a bit harsh and there is a long list of people to point the finger at and he for me would be the last on that list!
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Post by crownmeking on Sept 18, 2016 16:51:44 GMT
Stupid over reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 16:53:49 GMT
I think there has been a degree of complacency. I am deeply suspicious of our 'transfer team'. I don't think the appropriate pressure was applied when things were going so wrong last season to produce solutions - especially in the close season. Our youth set up remains no nearer producing players of the required quality. Generally I think it's not unreasonable to ask if the club has been a bit smug in the past 12 months. I agree. Paradoxically finishing 9th again did us no favours. It papered over the cracks.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 18, 2016 16:53:57 GMT
Which call has he made that's gone wrong in his 2nd tenure?
He replaced Pulis at the right time and up until now Hughes has been a decent replacement. There's no doubt we've been poor lately but if it continues then Peter will make the call and change manager if he believes it will be necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 17:01:06 GMT
I think there has been a degree of complacency. I am deeply suspicious of our 'transfer team'. I don't think the appropriate pressure was applied when things were going so wrong last season to produce solutions - especially in the close season. Our youth set up remains no nearer producing players of the required quality. Generally I think it's not unreasonable to ask if the club has been a bit smug in the past 12 months. I agree. Paradoxically finishing 9th again did us no favours. It papered over the cracks. Good point. If the big clubs hadn't had "blip" seasons, we'd have been 15-16th and had to do more to turn things around, invest, shake out dead wood, upgrade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 17:01:38 GMT
His club, or rather their club. so they can do whatever they want with it I suppose. If I was them I would certainly be getting some new advisors to help me with the club. I still find it embarrassing that we own nearly all the advertising hoardings in the prem yet we lack a team good enough to play in it. Bet365 on every hoarding today with a sorry excuse of a team on the pitch associating it with failure can not be good for business. You simply can not run a premier league football team at a profit until you have built up a good reputation for your brand. A player coming to Stoke is instantly devalued because our brand stock is low. So No, I don't want the Coates to go , or Peter. I would like them to put a little bit more effort into the club so it can promote their product in a good light. That will not come cheap and I doubt that it will show any returns for a long long time. Meaning EVERY penny has to be ploughed back into the club and some more as well. Two freebees doesn't cut it, nor does 13 million for Joe Allen or 18 million for Imbula our starting position is just so low. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-city-manchester-united-and-chelsea-top-the-list-of-the-premier-leagues-most-expensive-10484325.html16th on value doesn't reflect everything I know, but it is a major indicator.
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Post by potter25 on Sept 18, 2016 17:02:01 GMT
Let's get them icelandics back in...
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Post by mattface on Sept 18, 2016 17:02:46 GMT
It's all to easy to blame the manager (and the Hughes is cuplable) but who appoints him? Who monitors him? Who lets it slide? SPC will wield the axe when he needs to. Last week, interview with tea and biscuits. Monday morning, interview without tea and biscuits. Next interview, the lawyers are present. That has proper brightened my day
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Post by mozzer on Sept 18, 2016 17:03:35 GMT
Controversial but I can't help feeling the old fella has had his time. We've sleepwalked into this mess. John Coates needs to step up, take over and be ruthless. Scholes and Cartwright need to be shown the door after the appointment of a new Manager. Where's my tin hat...... Sorry Pugs but I got the feeling with some of your posts that you have lambasted posters over the last week with outspoken comments directed at Hughes, the team and SCFC in general......and then you say that, if one person is going to make us more stable or save us as a prem team it will be sir Peter of Pies, we need him more than ever to make a few stern choices and decisions, he is not the type of person to make knee jerk reactions based on 5 games in to the season, but by fuck he will be looking at the bigger picture knowing that last years 9th place finish was more of a fluke than a merit and he will be judging Mr Hughes on his last 7 months rather than 4 weeks,
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Sept 18, 2016 17:05:41 GMT
Are we being run as a profitable business or a ambitious football club ? Seem to be just ticking over every year now. No real investment in the team at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 17:08:18 GMT
SPC will wield the axe when he needs to. Last week, interview with tea and biscuits. Monday morning, interview without tea and biscuits. Next interview, the lawyers are present. That has proper brightened my day It's just reality.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 18, 2016 17:13:48 GMT
Controversial but I can't help feeling the old fella has had his time. We've sleepwalked into this mess. John Coates needs to step up, take over and be ruthless. Scholes and Cartwright need to be shown the door after the appointment of a new Manager. Where's my tin hat...... Sorry Pugs but I got the feeling with some of your posts that you have lambasted posters over the last week with outspoken comments directed at Hughes, the team and SCFC in general......and then you say that, if one person is going to make us more stable or save us as a prem team it will be sir Peter of Pies, we need him more than ever to make a few stern choices and decisions, he is not the type of person to make knee jerk reactions based on 5 games in to the season, but by fuck he will be looking at the bigger picture knowing that last years 9th place finish was more of a fluke than a merit and he will be judging Mr Hughes on his last 7 months rather than 4 weeks, I've been consistent with criticism about 'behind the scenes' for years.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 18, 2016 17:20:14 GMT
John Coates has stepped up, Peter is the figurehead though. You could say things started to go wrong when Uncle Peter stepped down.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 18, 2016 17:20:51 GMT
These problems are operational . Peter Coates has done everything to create a healthy premiership football club . The people who were so complacent in the summer after a poor end to last season have a lot to answer for . Once again Hughes and his staff have gone through a pre season badly and this time they have been caught out , Butland saved us from a similar start last season . The first priority is to get a coach in who will stop the rot and demand they get fit and organised and if there are any players in the dressing room not giving everything then get them out of the club . The transfer team should be out with the manager along with their stupid computer system
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Post by mozzer on Sept 18, 2016 17:24:34 GMT
In fairness we had a shitty end to last season and an even Shittier start to this one, but to say we are rotten top to bottom is a bit of a stretch...we haven't been like some of the clubs like Newcastle last year who had circled the edge of the drop for a few seasons, and clearly had many problems both on and off the pitch. I agree, there is clearly some huge issues at the moment, losing as we have been game after game isn't right, but as recent as 6 months ago we were been talked about in the media as A well run club, with a great dressing room, and looked upon as a premier league mainstay. I think to suggest the chairman needs changing is crazy, he genuinely loves this football club. I don't know what's gone wrong, it seems something catastrophic, but I don't see how Coates going would help! I just hope we stumble across the solution, as I can't see right now how things will improve (well unless butlland gets back between the sticks or some of the players grow a pair and start showing some passion!) Reading comments about getting rid of the chairman fills me with unease and I actually think we need to make sure we get behind the lads and try and get us back on track! I really hope this is a blip, but it suddenly feels like we are needing a miracle?! What the hells happened!? Even the commentators today seemed to be scratching their heads?! Not going to disagree with some of your points but you are miles off when you say the media talked us up in the last 6 months........look at the scores from the last week of Feb..........Complete and utter shite, now that is 7 months of drab performances and continual drubbings not seen on such a regular occurrence in my 50 years of supporting Stoke, of late if we lose 1-0 its going to be a massive improvement and a fantastic result......but will still take us down, I will take a drab 0-0 or 1-1 any match day of late to get points on the board and install a little confidence because of late the dressing room has lost it alongside MH and his team
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Post by michelle1863 on Sept 18, 2016 18:13:37 GMT
In fairness we had a shitty end to last season and an even Shittier start to this one, but to say we are rotten top to bottom is a bit of a stretch...we haven't been like some of the clubs like Newcastle last year who had circled the edge of the drop for a few seasons, and clearly had many problems both on and off the pitch. I agree, there is clearly some huge issues at the moment, losing as we have been game after game isn't right, but as recent as 6 months ago we were been talked about in the media as A well run club, with a great dressing room, and looked upon as a premier league mainstay. I think to suggest the chairman needs changing is crazy, he genuinely loves this football club. I don't know what's gone wrong, it seems something catastrophic, but I don't see how Coates going would help! I just hope we stumble across the solution, as I can't see right now how things will improve (well unless butlland gets back between the sticks or some of the players grow a pair and start showing some passion!) Reading comments about getting rid of the chairman fills me with unease and I actually think we need to make sure we get behind the lads and try and get us back on track! I really hope this is a blip, but it suddenly feels like we are needing a miracle?! What the hells happened!? Even the commentators today seemed to be scratching their heads?! Not going to disagree with some of your points but you are miles off when you say the media talked us up in the last 6 months........look at the scores from the last week of Feb..........Complete and utter shite, now that is 7 months of drab performances and continual drubbings not seen on such a regular occurrence in my 50 years of supporting Stoke, of late if we lose 1-0 its going to be a massive improvement and a fantastic result......but will still take us down, I will take a drab 0-0 or 1-1 any match day of late to get points on the board and install a little confidence because of late the dressing room has lost it alongside MH and his team You might be missing my point, I...didn't see one newspaper or pundit that had us down for relegation candidates, and I clearly remember an article around Feb time in the telegraph (ok that's 7 months ago!!) that was praising us for being a well run club and ethical in the way we treat our players and fans....I know there were signs at the end of the season, but I really feel like it's been a sudden decline! I've seen worse in my time as a Stoke fan, but can't remember it being quite so sudden. Maybe that's just my perspective, as you say when you look at the stats the rots been setting in. I'm usually really positive, but at no stage today did I feel like we would come back once that first goal had gone in and my fears were realised by time the third and fourth went in!! I'm really embarrassed by what I've read online...with different fans asking when they're playing us to improve their GD!! It's not acceptable but I'm glad I'm not the one in charge of trying to fix it, as I wouldn't have a clue where to start!!! I'm just gutted tbh!! (Still don't think people should be suggesting Coates goes though!!! I shudder when I think of teams like Blackpool and even Newcastle with me Ashley!!)
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