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Post by Pugsley on Sept 18, 2016 15:34:24 GMT
I'm not excusing others here, they're all culpable, but just what the fuck are these three so-called leaders doing? Have they forgot how to do the basics? It's as though they're doing it on purpose to get rid of the manager.
I can't see how Hughes can survive this week. A defeat on Wednesday and it's surely curtains.
Mancini for me, but would he come?
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Post by wuzza on Sept 18, 2016 15:38:10 GMT
I can't help feeling that there are some almighty splits in that dressing room and Hughes is burying his head in the sand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 15:38:17 GMT
I don't know how I'd feel if they were doing this on purpose.
I don't know how the crowd would react if players suddenly seemed arsed again. It'd be told, but would leave a bit of a bitter taste maybe?
Just thinking when José left Chelsea and a few of their players suddenly became fantastic overnight.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 18, 2016 15:40:53 GMT
I can't help feeling that there are some almighty splits in that dressing room and Hughes is burying his head in the sand. Something isn't right at all. I like Hughes, he's done well but something has to give, usually it's the manager. |
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Post by wuzza on Sept 18, 2016 15:45:29 GMT
I can't help feeling that there are some almighty splits in that dressing room and Hughes is burying his head in the sand. Something isn't right at all. I like Hughes, he's done well but something has to give, usually it's the manager. Remember that 'lazy arsed' management you used to talk about Pugs. I think we are now suffering the consequences of some of it and it has been going on for the past 12 months at all levels in the club. |
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Post by skip on Sept 18, 2016 15:47:20 GMT
I'm not excusing others here, they're all culpable, but just what the fuck are these three so-called leaders doing? Have they forgot how to do the basics? It's as though they're doing it on purpose to get rid of the manager. I can't see how Hughes can survive this week. A defeat on Wednesday and it's surely curtains. Mancini for me, but would he come? Other factors not withstanding, Whelan, Walters and Shawcross hardly lifted a finger between them today. Either mutiny or they're all completely shot. I suspect the former. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 18, 2016 15:47:26 GMT
They were uncharacteristically quiet, and have been in recent weeks.
I feel sorry for Ryan. When Hughes first arrived he had to do the job of four defenders, and today he was all on his own again. It's him and three statues. After that second goal, where Cameron totally lost his man and Ryan had to leave Benteke to try and clean up Geoff's mess, you wouldn't blame him for wanting to just pack it all in.
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 18, 2016 15:47:38 GMT
I'd expect more from Ryan, either he is holding back because he's afraid of re-injuring himself or he is 75% of what he used to be and saying he's 100% The other two are past it in this league physically and nobody here knows it.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 18, 2016 15:50:07 GMT
Something isn't right at all. I like Hughes, he's done well but something has to give, usually it's the manager. Remember that 'lazy arsed' management you used to talk about Pugs. I think we are now suffering the consequences of some of it and it has been going on for the past 12 months at all levels in the club. Correct, I just find it hard to believe with Hughes. He doesn't seem that type of character. That's why we need a manager with a strong personality. |
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Post by wuzza on Sept 18, 2016 15:56:33 GMT
Remember that 'lazy arsed' management you used to talk about Pugs. I think we are now suffering the consequences of some of it and it has been going on for the past 12 months at all levels in the club. Correct, I just find it hard to believe with Hughes. He doesn't seem that type of character. That's why we need a manager with a strong personality. Well one things for sure Pugs he either didn't see the tell tale signs at the back end of last season or he didn't push the appropriate people hard enough to get something done about it. Either way it's fairly unforgivable for a bloke his experience. ( for the record you have really frightened me with the Mancini suggestion!!) |
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Post by stokief on Sept 18, 2016 15:56:58 GMT
I don't know how I'd feel if they were doing this on purpose. I don't know how the crowd would react if players suddenly seemed arsed again. It'd be told, but would leave a bit of a bitter taste maybe? Just thinking when José left Chelsea and a few of their players suddenly became fantastic overnight. At the risk of repeating myself, it often happens. Once the dressing room is lost it's a hopeless cause. Every army needs a general and guidance and leadership. It's not necessarily a team decision 'let's all play sh!t' and get the Boss sacked (I'm sure that can happen though)Once leadership is restored the team finds itself again. Who knows what's gone on behind closed doors. Words'll ve been said. Maybe even a few physical confrontations. This sort of stuff goes on but with the right Management gets nipped in the bud and sorted. I dont proffess to know anything in Stoke's case but it is what happens. It happens in ordinary workplaces. We now need a Strong Manager who has the respect of the team and possibly scares them a little too. Someone who can handle big egos. I dont see Woy, Bruce, Pearson, Howe etc being the answer. Needs to be someone who can kick some ass though. These players are good enough. There's a lot of talent. We could be a really good entertaining and physically strong side. The components are there we just need the engineer to fix them in and get them purring. |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 18, 2016 16:00:30 GMT
Correct, I just find it hard to believe with Hughes. He doesn't seem that type of character. That's why we need a manager with a strong personality. Well one things for sure Pugs he either didn't see the tell tale signs at the back end of last season or he didn't push the appropriate people hard enough to get something done about it. Either way it's fairly unforgivable for a bloke his experience. ( for the record you have really frightened me with the Mancini suggestion!!) I think we need someone in with something about him, not a PL novice. When you look at the managers around, there is a dearth of talent. |
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Post by wuzza on Sept 18, 2016 16:02:22 GMT
Well one things for sure Pugs he either didn't see the tell tale signs at the back end of last season or he didn't push the appropriate people hard enough to get something done about it. Either way it's fairly unforgivable for a bloke his experience. ( for the record you have really frightened me with the Mancini suggestion!!) I think we need someone in with something about him, not a PL novice. When you look at the managers around, there is a dearth of talent. I can't really think of anyone. Just struggle to see the loose cannon that is Mancini and St Peter sitting around discussing football, the universe and everything!! |
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Post by stokie1954 on Sept 18, 2016 16:02:32 GMT
Correct, I just find it hard to believe with Hughes. He doesn't seem that type of character. That's why we need a manager with a strong personality. Well one things for sure Pugs he either didn't see the tell tale signs at the back end of last season or he didn't push the appropriate people hard enough to get something done about it. Either way it's fairly unforgivable for a bloke his experience. ( for the record you have really frightened me with the Mancini suggestion!!) Shawcross is a shadow of what he was. Back problem apart he has lost the presence he had. If Stones had been putting in performances like this people on here would be having a right go. Stones will get better under Pep, Shawcross sadly looks a spent force. |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 18, 2016 16:05:53 GMT
I'm not excusing others here, they're all culpable, but just what the fuck are these three so-called leaders doing? Have they forgot how to do the basics? It's as though they're doing it on purpose to get rid of the manager. I can't see how Hughes can survive this week. A defeat on Wednesday and it's surely curtains. Mancini for me, but would he come? See you single out Pulis players. It's the foreign crap that Hughes has signed that's the problem, just like he did at QPR. He hasn't signed a decent defender since he's been manager and sold the best one on the books |
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Post by milky on Sept 18, 2016 16:33:45 GMT
I'm not excusing others here, they're all culpable, but just what the fuck are these three so-called leaders doing? Have they forgot how to do the basics? It's as though they're doing it on purpose to get rid of the manager. I can't see how Hughes can survive this week. A defeat on Wednesday and it's surely curtains. Mancini for me, but would he come? See you single out Pulis players. It's the foreign crap that Hughes has signed that's the problem, just like he did at QPR. He hasn't signed a decent defender since he's been manager and sold the best one on the books I thought one of the "foreign crap"( Arnie) was one of the few who looked like he gave a damn to be honest even though he was far from his best. |
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Post by mattface on Sept 18, 2016 16:58:31 GMT
I'm not excusing others here, they're all culpable, but just what the fuck are these three so-called leaders doing? Have they forgot how to do the basics? It's as though they're doing it on purpose to get rid of the manager. I can't see how Hughes can survive this week. A defeat on Wednesday and it's surely curtains. Mancini for me, but would he come? Other factors not withstanding, Whelan, Walters and Shawcross hardly lifted a finger between them today. Either mutiny or they're all completely shot. I suspect the former. There's not a team out there and that comes from the manager. Something is wrong and uncle Peter needs to sort it fucking quick |
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Post by skip on Sept 18, 2016 16:59:59 GMT
Other factors not withstanding, Whelan, Walters and Shawcross hardly lifted a finger between them today. Either mutiny or they're all completely shot. I suspect the former. There's not a team out there and that comes from the manager. Something is wrong and uncle Peter needs to sort it fucking quick What's he said? |
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Post by mattface on Sept 18, 2016 17:04:25 GMT
Nothing yet but he ain't gonna sit by whole it all goes to shit. Gonna be an interesting week
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Post by armitagestokie on Sept 18, 2016 17:05:40 GMT
The players are letting Sparky down.....no passion, no drive, no leadership I suggest a change of coaching personal, not a fan of Mark Bowen. Something has to be sorted or we are the 2017 's VILLA
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 18, 2016 17:28:04 GMT
I'm not excusing others here, they're all culpable, but just what the fuck are these three so-called leaders doing? Have they forgot how to do the basics? It's as though they're doing it on purpose to get rid of the manager. I can't see how Hughes can survive this week. A defeat on Wednesday and it's surely curtains. Mancini for me, but would he come? See you single out Pulis players. It's the foreign crap that Hughes has signed that's the problem, just like he did at QPR. He hasn't signed a decent defender since he's been manager and sold the best one on the books I said they were all culpable, I'm singling out the so called solid citizens, the leaders we can count on. The performance of Walters today was an absolute disgrace, both in ability and attitude. People wanted change, they wanted show ponies out and the old guard in. Well the old guard were the 4 worst players on the pitch by a country mile. Like I said, the Manager can't surely survive. |
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 18, 2016 17:33:20 GMT
See you single out Pulis players. It's the foreign crap that Hughes has signed that's the problem, just like he did at QPR. He hasn't signed a decent defender since he's been manager and sold the best one on the books I said they were all culpable, I'm singling out the so called solid citizens, the leaders we can count on. The performance of Walters today was an absolute disgrace, both in ability and attitude. People wanted change, they wanted show ponies out and the old guard in. Well the old guard were the 4 worst players on the pitch by a country mile. Like I said, the Manager can't surely survive.  I'd rather ride guns a blazing fult-tilt into a gatling gun with those show ponies, than sit-back and watch the old guard fight uphill into a bayonet charge. |
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