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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 11, 2016 11:09:27 GMT
Our last 10 league games:
Liverpool – Stoke 4-1
Stoke – Spurs 0-4
Man. C. – Stoke 4-0
Stoke – Sunderland 1-1
Crystal P. – Stoke 2-1
Stoke – West Ham 2-1
Middlesbr. – Stoke 1-1
Stoke – Man. C. 1-4
Everton – Stoke 1-0
Stoke – Spurs 0-4
Total: 5 points, scored 7, conceded 26
Average points per game 0.5
Average goals scored per game 0.7
Average goals conceded per game 2.6
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Post by dwr17477 on Sept 11, 2016 11:16:27 GMT
Tell's it's own story - and people wonder why there's a concern!
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 11, 2016 12:19:05 GMT
And some people are saying its just a blip, an unlucky start to the season, look who we've played bla bla bla. It's wank management not addressing the obvious failings. IMO no less than 4 points from our next 2 games will suffice, Hughes's position must be put in the job centre if not. Gouranga.  |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 11, 2016 12:21:43 GMT
Points totally matter. However on top of that, apart from the 2nd half against West Ham and Boro I cant remember anything other than the odd glimpse here or there that could give me a glimmer of hope that we know what we are doing anymore
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 11, 2016 12:24:36 GMT
Other facts -
Number 1 keeper and future England keeper injured
Captain injured now coming back to fitness
Solid ex England full back injured
Things will improve.
I understand Barcelona had players missing yesterday , what was their result?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 11, 2016 12:30:39 GMT
Other facts - Number 1 keeper and future England keeper injured Captain injured now coming back to fitness Solid ex England full back injured Things will improve. I understand Barcelona had players missing yesterday , what was their result? Nope they weren't missing they were on the bench expecting an easy game. So just a case of shit management. Are you really totally comfortable and confident that we aren't going to be involved in a battle this year? |
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 11, 2016 12:32:45 GMT
Other facts - Number 1 keeper and future England keeper injured Captain injured now coming back to fitness Solid ex England full back injured Things will improve. I understand Barcelona had players missing yesterday , what was their result? Nope they weren't missing they were on the bench expecting an easy game. So just a case of shit management. Are you really totally comfortable and confident that we aren't going to be involved in a battle this year? Ok I will rephrase that , did Barcelona have some of their best players off the pitch yesterday? I know we have had our best defensive players missing for huge periods. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 12:37:12 GMT
Christ, when you put it like that.
[Gulp]
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Post by wuzza on Sept 11, 2016 12:38:48 GMT
Our last 10 league games: Liverpool – Stoke 4-1 Stoke – Spurs 0-4 Man. C. – Stoke 4-0 Stoke – Sunderland 1-1 Crystal P. – Stoke 2-1 Stoke – West Ham 2-1 Middlesbr. – Stoke 1-1 Stoke – Man. C. 1-4 Everton – Stoke 1-0 Stoke – Spurs 0-4 Total: 5 points, scored 7, conceded 26 Average points per game 0.5 Average goals scored per game 0.7 Average goals conceded per game 2.6 That is what you call perspective!! I'm off to the pub. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 11, 2016 12:41:35 GMT
Our last 10 league games: Liverpool – Stoke 4-1 Stoke – Spurs 0-4 Man. C. – Stoke 4-0 Stoke – Sunderland 1-1 Crystal P. – Stoke 2-1 Stoke – West Ham 2-1 Middlesbr. – Stoke 1-1 Stoke – Man. C. 1-4 Everton – Stoke 1-0 Stoke – Spurs 0-4 Total: 5 points, scored 7, conceded 26 Average points per game 0.5 Average goals scored per game 0.7 Average goals conceded per game 2.6 You can't honestly look at these statistics and not be very, very worried. What's frightening is having watched the Spurs goals, three came from weak/non-existing marking either in the FB position or in the six yard box. One of them came from our corner and Imbula losing a challenge on the edge of the 'box' didn't even jog back but walked and walked slowly at that! If this isn't sending off alarm bells in the boardroom what will? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 12:52:01 GMT
Nope they weren't missing they were on the bench expecting an easy game. So just a case of shit management. Are you really totally comfortable and confident that we aren't going to be involved in a battle this year? Ok I will rephrase that , did Barcelona have some of their best players off the pitch yesterday? I know we have had our best defensive players missing for huge periods. Yes they did. But they didn't concede 4 goals in 5 previous games out the last 10. And they scored a goal and created chances. We can't even create our striker 1 chance. I'm all for giving sparkie time but the stats are very worrying. It's not a blip that's for sure. Edit - a blip is 4 or 5 games and not winning a game. Not the run we are on. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 13:01:58 GMT
Very difficult fixtures when you look at it like that
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 11, 2016 13:04:40 GMT
Our last 10 league games: Liverpool – Stoke 4-1 Stoke – Spurs 0-4 Man. C. – Stoke 4-0 Stoke – Sunderland 1-1 Crystal P. – Stoke 2-1 Stoke – West Ham 2-1 Middlesbr. – Stoke 1-1 Stoke – Man. C. 1-4 Everton – Stoke 1-0 Stoke – Spurs 0-4 Total: 5 points, scored 7, conceded 26 Average points per game 0.5 Average goals scored per game 0.7 Average goals conceded per game 2.6  and Hughes still remains our manager. |
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 11, 2016 13:04:57 GMT
Ok I will rephrase that , did Barcelona have some of their best players off the pitch yesterday? I know we have had our best defensive players missing for huge periods. Yes they did. But they didn't concede 4 goals in 5 previous games out the last 10. And they scored a goal and created chances. We can't even create our striker 1 chance. I'm all for giving sparkie time but the stats are very worrying. It's not a blip that's for sure. Edit - a blip is 4 or 5 games and not winning a game. Not the run we are on. I'm glad you can see the impact having key players missing has on the team and results. |
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Post by reddipotter on Sept 11, 2016 13:16:12 GMT
Ok I will rephrase that , did Barcelona have some of their best players off the pitch yesterday? I know we have had our best defensive players missing for huge periods. Yes they did. But they didn't concede 4 goals in 5 previous games out the last 10. And they scored a goal and created chances. We can't even create our striker 1 chance. I'm all for giving sparkie time but the stats are very worrying. It's not a blip that's for sure. Edit - a blip is 4 or 5 games and not winning a game. Not the run we are on. Giving him time? This is his fourth season with us, and he's had seven transfer windows. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 11, 2016 13:17:12 GMT
Yes they did. But they didn't concede 4 goals in 5 previous games out the last 10. And they scored a goal and created chances. We can't even create our striker 1 chance. I'm all for giving sparkie time but the stats are very worrying. It's not a blip that's for sure. Edit - a blip is 4 or 5 games and not winning a game. Not the run we are on. Giving him time? This is his fourth season with us, and he's had seven transfer windows. And he's delivered three top 10 finishes. Hence earning him time. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 11, 2016 13:21:54 GMT
Other facts - Number 1 keeper and future England keeper injured Captain injured now coming back to fitness Solid ex England full back injured Things will improve. I understand Barcelona had players missing yesterday , what was their result? Should have signed better back up for Jack.
Captain been injured for over two seasons, not signed decent back up.
Signed injury prone right back who surprisingly is out injured again, not signed decent back up.
Last seasons transfer window was a disaster, successive windows have failed to address weak areas in the squad, shit management simple.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 13:24:02 GMT
Yes they did. But they didn't concede 4 goals in 5 previous games out the last 10. And they scored a goal and created chances. We can't even create our striker 1 chance. I'm all for giving sparkie time but the stats are very worrying. It's not a blip that's for sure. Edit - a blip is 4 or 5 games and not winning a game. Not the run we are on. I'm glad you can see the impact having key players missing has on the team and results. I do see it but that's why we have a squad. Other teams have key players missing and don't concede as easy as we do. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 11, 2016 13:26:23 GMT
Giving him time? This is his fourth season with us, and he's had seven transfer windows. And he's delivered three top 10 finishes. Hence earning him time.  same old same old we used to be good so therefore we are good, open your eyes man we are dog shit and have been since February. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 11, 2016 13:34:13 GMT
And he's delivered three top 10 finishes. Hence earning him time. same old same old we used to be good so therefore we are good, open your eyes man we are dog shit and have been since February. Boring when people bang the same drum time after time isn't it? Bit like you bollocking on and on and fucking on about Huth for fucking months. If it was left to you we'd have a new manager after every defeat. You're a troll. |
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Post by liamo on Sept 11, 2016 13:38:47 GMT
It looks bad but just like our champions league form turned to shit form, our shit form can get better too
There's reason for concern but no reason to go over the top, i think we'll learn a lot more from our next 2 games than the previous 4
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 11, 2016 13:39:17 GMT
I'm glad you can see the impact having key players missing has on the team and results. I do see it but that's why we have a squad. Other teams have key players missing and don't concede as easy as we do. Who else has 3 of their best back 5 missing? |
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Post by RichJonesy on Sept 11, 2016 13:40:01 GMT
Our last 10 league games: Liverpool – Stoke 4-1 Stoke – Spurs 0-4 Man. C. – Stoke 4-0 Stoke – Sunderland 1-1 Crystal P. – Stoke 2-1 Stoke – West Ham 2-1 Middlesbr. – Stoke 1-1 Stoke – Man. C. 1-4 Everton – Stoke 1-0 Stoke – Spurs 0-4 Total: 5 points, scored 7, conceded 26 Average points per game 0.5 Average goals scored per game 0.7 Average goals conceded per game 2.6 A week before that Liverpool game we were 2-0 up to Swansea and drew 2-2. A week before the Swansea game Jack did his leg in. Coincidence? |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 11, 2016 13:41:02 GMT
Nope they weren't missing they were on the bench expecting an easy game. So just a case of shit management. Are you really totally comfortable and confident that we aren't going to be involved in a battle this year? Ok I will rephrase that , did Barcelona have some of their best players off the pitch yesterday? I know we have had our best defensive players missing for huge periods. I'm sorry but we've had the entire window to assess and evaluate the goalkeeping situation and to come through it with a 40 year old and a Derby reserve clearly hasn't rectified it or provided any stability or confidence to our rearguard. Glenn Johnson is a miss granted but how many games has he played as opposed to how many he's missed? - again unreliable fitness wise and not addressed in the window. Oh and to compound the issue we have gone back to square pegs and round holes with regards to Cameron being played RB instead of Bardsley. Shawcross - I don't think anyone currently even Ryan himself can be confident whether he is going to be able to get himself fit enough to be anywhere near the required standards. It's also a critical position where we have seen 2 go out and 1 come in which was complete madness. And what would be your answer to my previous question? |
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 11, 2016 13:47:38 GMT
Ok I will rephrase that , did Barcelona have some of their best players off the pitch yesterday? I know we have had our best defensive players missing for huge periods. I'm sorry but we've had the entire window to assess and evaluate the goalkeeping situation and to come through it with a 40 year old and a Derby reserve clearly hasn't rectified it or provided any stability or confidence to our rearguard. Glenn Johnson is a miss granted but how many games has he played as opposed to how many he's missed? - again unreliable fitness wise and not addressed in the window. Oh and to compound the issue we have gone back to square pegs and round holes with regards to Cameron being played RB instead of Bardsley. Shawcross - I don't think anyone currently even Ryan himself can be confident whether he is going to be able to get himself fit enough to be anywhere near the required standards. It's also a critical position where we have seen 2 go out and 1 come in which was complete madness. And what would be your answer to my previous question? Ryan still has a huge future as captain at the stoke city. He is getting better , fitter and stronger each week. It takes time. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 11, 2016 13:53:06 GMT
I'm sorry but we've had the entire window to assess and evaluate the goalkeeping situation and to come through it with a 40 year old and a Derby reserve clearly hasn't rectified it or provided any stability or confidence to our rearguard. Glenn Johnson is a miss granted but how many games has he played as opposed to how many he's missed? - again unreliable fitness wise and not addressed in the window. Oh and to compound the issue we have gone back to square pegs and round holes with regards to Cameron being played RB instead of Bardsley. Shawcross - I don't think anyone currently even Ryan himself can be confident whether he is going to be able to get himself fit enough to be anywhere near the required standards. It's also a critical position where we have seen 2 go out and 1 come in which was complete madness. And what would be your answer to my previous question? Ryan still has a huge future as captain at the stoke city. He is getting better , fitter and stronger each week. It takes time. It has taken 2 years so far, do Mark and his team have a clue what defending is about ? |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 11, 2016 13:55:01 GMT
I'm sorry but we've had the entire window to assess and evaluate the goalkeeping situation and to come through it with a 40 year old and a Derby reserve clearly hasn't rectified it or provided any stability or confidence to our rearguard. Glenn Johnson is a miss granted but how many games has he played as opposed to how many he's missed? - again unreliable fitness wise and not addressed in the window. Oh and to compound the issue we have gone back to square pegs and round holes with regards to Cameron being played RB instead of Bardsley. Shawcross - I don't think anyone currently even Ryan himself can be confident whether he is going to be able to get himself fit enough to be anywhere near the required standards. It's also a critical position where we have seen 2 go out and 1 come in which was complete madness. And what would be your answer to my previous question? Ryan still has a huge future as captain at the stoke city. He is getting better , fitter and stronger each week. It takes time. Well I really hope you're right because we've 100% gambled on it. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 11, 2016 13:56:16 GMT
Add to that that West Ham should really have battered us and it looks even worse
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 11, 2016 13:57:07 GMT
Ryan still has a huge future as captain at the stoke city. He is getting better , fitter and stronger each week. It takes time. It has taken 2 years so far, do Mark and his team have a clue what defending is about ? They do , the stats from the previous seasons back this up. Key players will return and so will the results. This is a tough time but everybody at the club are staying calm and level headed , fans must do the same. |
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Post by MuddyWoody on Sept 11, 2016 14:01:09 GMT
This is a squad game. There will always be injuries and that's the reason we have a squad. If the squad isn't good enough then we all know where the fault lies.
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and Hughes still remains our manager.
same old same old we used to be good so therefore we are good, open your eyes man we are dog shit and have been since February.
