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Aug 21, 2016 19:21:23 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 21, 2016 19:21:23 GMT
Bit of a direspectful post given what he has acheived thus far. Having said that, if I am honest, I am struggling with what he is trying to acheive and I can understand the sentiments. Since the transfer window last season where we lost Bego, Nzonzi and then he gave Huth away I have been a bit bamboozled. There is no balance to the team(which has been mentioned already in other threads). No competition in certain areas of the park, now only 2 viable centre halves at the club, which is getting almost comical. Too many flair players just being thrown in, no defensive unit or plan Allen added some much needed balance to that midfield yesterday and the window is still open so let's see what he does. It looks like we are trying to bring in a Centre Half and striker, we desperately need to add pace to an exposed defence and a new no.2 keeper also, although we wont be worrying too much about the keeper if Butland comes back and plays a full season. But yes deflated, confused and a tad disappointed as it stands at the moment. Dont look good going forward, not sure where a clean sheet is coming from, usual slow start with players not looking fit or prepared - arrrrrrrggghhh. Sort it out Hughes for feck sake Im not being disrespectful im happy with hughes im asking who would the doubters claim to be the new messiah
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Aug 21, 2016 19:30:03 GMT
Post by jebbstuart on Aug 21, 2016 19:30:03 GMT
we started last season poorly and we had the same stuff, will have to wait and see if we improve but a decent result at a newly promoted side and how many teams will take a lot off man city??? not going to panic yet
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 19:30:34 GMT
For once I agree, the thing that concerns me is that since he has started spending big money we look weaker than we did before, he has to sort the defence out first and foremost we have real issues, not sure if it is a lack of quality or something else is amiss we have to bring in another commanding CB. Competing all over the pitch is a key point we are far to soft give up the cause far to easily, there seems to be an air of apathy that we all thought was due to players saving themselves for the Euros at the end of last season, we appear to have carried that into this season do we have to many big time Charlie attitudes in the squad ? I also agree that he needs to get stuck into the lazy bastards in private of course, FFS he played under Alex Ferguson would AF have accepted the attitude and half arsed attitude we are seeing since January, you bet your feckin like he wouldn't so why should Hughes. In short if he does not pull his finger out and sort out his players the crowd will get on his back and the Coates family will act it is their business that is inexorably linked to our club, they will not tolerate failure if it can be avoided.
You know What Carpy as much as this hurts me I agree! You do moan your bag off which grinds peoples goat but that post is near spot on, there is something wrong, hopefully Hughrs will sort it. Fingers crossed eh? Yep I am a moaning old cunt but I have been a moaning cunt all my life, fingers crossed for definite anyway enough of this love in stuff back to usual we have to get a CB in pronto and a good un at that
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Aug 21, 2016 19:38:00 GMT
Post by butlerstbob on Aug 21, 2016 19:38:00 GMT
You know What Carpy as much as this hurts me I agree! You do moan your bag off which grinds peoples goat but that post is near spot on, there is something wrong, hopefully Hughrs will sort it. Fingers crossed eh? Yep I am a moaning old cunt but I have been a moaning cunt all my life, fingers crossed for definite anyway enough of this love in stuff back to usual we have to get a CB in pronto and a good un at that oh yeah that's enough love! So dont take this personally but stop moaning you old C@£t! And wolly will be fine!
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Aug 21, 2016 19:39:14 GMT
Post by potterblade on Aug 21, 2016 19:39:14 GMT
Steve Evans
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Aug 21, 2016 20:18:53 GMT
Post by Royal Donut on Aug 21, 2016 20:18:53 GMT
So basically no one really has any legitimate alternatives to what we have other than Eddie Howe and Pulis. Im of for a lie down in a dark room Eddie Howe can be taken out, he's lost two games, Stoke fans won't allow this
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 21, 2016 21:34:40 GMT
Who gives a toss about fair? God forbid it, but if we did go down no way would Hughes be able to get us back up. We'd have to get a manger who knows how to scrap and defend..then again most fans would rather look pretty and be open whilst rotting in te championship forever more. Yeah, that Eddie Howe knows how to scrap doesn't he? Let's face it you were devastated that Pulis got sacked and replaced by someone who was immediately more successful. 10 Jon Walters in front of a decent keeper right captain? H Why you are a dim tosser.. Pulis going was 100% the correct move..Hughes now seems to be struggling to iron out recurring mistakes in the team, continues to be unable to implement a decent shape to the defence and as a result we seem to be struggling to push on. Right now we have the potential to be a very special team, but with a defence that is a joke and no sort of shape without the ball, we will never see the best being brought out of our team. That's what devastates me more than anything.
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Post by pottermouth on Aug 21, 2016 21:46:00 GMT
There's no way Hughes would be let go before the end of the season. He's done well enough the last 3 years to have that much credit in the bank. Having said that the performances have been shite for the whole of 2016 and the problems with the squad/starting 11 are plain for most to see. If he doesn't get things right by the end of this season he should bloody well resign never-mind get the sack. Sadly it looks like QPR Mark 2. Our team has lost its spine. We had three excellent keepers when Mark Hughes arrived now we have one. We had a solid defence when he arrived. Now we have one that's conceded 4 goals 4 times in 8 games. On attack he's spent millions and yet we lack goals. Maybe it's a QPR scenario all over again. I just hope the dressing room is not lost.
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Aug 21, 2016 21:46:35 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 21:46:35 GMT
Yeah, that Eddie Howe knows how to scrap doesn't he? Let's face it you were devastated that Pulis got sacked and replaced by someone who was immediately more successful. 10 Jon Walters in front of a decent keeper right captain? H Why you are a dim tosser.. Pulis going was 100% the correct move..Hughes now seems to be struggling to iron out recurring mistakes in the team, continues to be unable to implement a decent shape to the defence and as a result we seem to be struggling to push on. Right now we have the potential to be a very special team, but with a defence that is a joke and no sort of shape without the ball, we will never see the best being brought out of our team. That's what devastates me more than anything. Hughes is like a chef who lost his Michelin stars in his last employment with unlimited funds, he has bought expensive foreign ingredients he has fancied for ages but is stumped as how he is going to fit them all into the menu his customers crave.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 21:52:47 GMT
There's no way Hughes would be let go before the end of the season. He's done well enough the last 3 years to have that much credit in the bank. Having said that the performances have been shite for the whole of 2016 and the problems with the squad/starting 11 are plain for most to see. If he doesn't get things right by the end of this season he should bloody well resign never-mind get the sack. Sadly it looks like QPR Mark 2. Our team has lost its spine. We had three excellent keepers when Mark Hughes arrived now we have one. We had a solid defence when he arrived. Now we have one that's conceded 4 goals 4 times in 8 games. On attack he's spent millions and yet we lack goals. Maybe it's a QPR scenario all over again. I just hope the dressing room is not lost. And that is the biggest worry ! he has failed to recognise the strengths he inherited and built on them, instead he has undermined the foundations and added some expensive extensions which are now too heavy for the additions he has added, you need solid foundations building on sand inevitably leads to a collapsing structure ask ant worthwhile builder.
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Aug 21, 2016 21:55:22 GMT
Post by thisfootballclub on Aug 21, 2016 21:55:22 GMT
We've stocked up on flair midfielders and neglected other areas by trying to do them on the cheap such as Joselu and Wolly. As others have said at least a premiership quality centre-back and striker required. Trippier would also be nice if available.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 21, 2016 21:58:08 GMT
The next coach will be foreign. Hughes is Welsh
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Aug 21, 2016 22:10:17 GMT
Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2016 22:10:17 GMT
The next coach will be foreign. Hughes is Welsh So is TP.
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 21, 2016 22:18:01 GMT
Why you are a dim tosser.. Pulis going was 100% the correct move..Hughes now seems to be struggling to iron out recurring mistakes in the team, continues to be unable to implement a decent shape to the defence and as a result we seem to be struggling to push on. Right now we have the potential to be a very special team, but with a defence that is a joke and no sort of shape without the ball, we will never see the best being brought out of our team. That's what devastates me more than anything. Hughes is like a chef who lost his Michelin stars in his last employment with unlimited funds, he has bought expensive foreign ingredients he has fancied for ages but is stumped as how he is going to fit them all into the menu his customers crave. Well until his no.1 team has some disciplined and shape instilled into them, I hope Hughes sticks with bangers and mash. Adam, Whelan and Allen as a midfield 3 with Jon diouf and Arnie as a front three. This is inevitably what will happen when we lose a few and he is under the cosh. It has happened the last 3 seasons. His preferred side had good and bad moments (generally more bad.) so when we lose a few we see him go more direct, typically bringing the old guard back into the team. On one hand, at least it shows he can ground out results, on the other, it shows he can't play the way he wants and get results. Also, who knows how much longer he can afford to play with all his favourite ingredients but create no high quality final dish, without us losing our own Michelin star status.
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Aug 21, 2016 22:44:06 GMT
Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2016 22:44:06 GMT
Hughes won't go, if for no other reason that there's nobody out there available who's better.
Other than when he was at QPR his track record has been good and he's had three good finishes with us.
That said, he was lucky to inherit a good squad with some real diamonds in it. It gave him a solid base and allowed him to take risks in signing flair players.
He's changed the style of play, but for me the evolution has been too slow.
He needs to play a more adventurous line up at home and develop a greater togetherness in the team. Yesterday we again looked like a bunch of individuals, with too many looking like they're not up for a battle.
If he can change the mood on the pitch, he'll change the mood in the crowd.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2016 22:49:01 GMT
Why would Hughes leave now? 3 years of work down the drain no thanks. Give the bloke this season to sort our current situation out, I fully believe he will no doubt. What impact would Hughes departure have on the squad? It's too much of a risk IMO. Come May 2017 and we're in the bottom three then part ways but until now, Let's support Les.
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Post by RAF on Aug 21, 2016 23:16:59 GMT
Yeah, that Eddie Howe knows how to scrap doesn't he? Let's face it you were devastated that Pulis got sacked and replaced by someone who was immediately more successful. 10 Jon Walters in front of a decent keeper right captain? H Why you are a dim tosser.. Pulis going was 100% the correct move..Hughes now seems to be struggling to iron out recurring mistakes in the team, continues to be unable to implement a decent shape to the defence and as a result we seem to be struggling to push on. Right now we have the potential to be a very special team, but with a defence that is a joke and no sort of shape without the ball, we will never see the best being brought out of our team. That's what devastates me more than anything. How is it being dim stating fact? You said if we went down Hughes would never get us back up and we would need someone who knows how to scrap. Well plenty of managers have got out of that league without going all Pulis. I'll take another 9th this season and trust Hughes to sort out any deficiencies. He certainly knows a lot more than some of the armchair managers on here. H
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Aug 21, 2016 23:39:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 23:39:20 GMT
Hughes won't go, if for no other reason that there's nobody out there available who's better. Not a name that's been thrown around, but Coleman? I'm not anti Hughes, BTW. I urge patience and stability, and he has good stock and credit in the SCFC bank. It just seems that a sentiment is building; a grim, frustrated, disappointed undercurrent. And PC might get itchy fingers by October or November.
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Aug 21, 2016 23:43:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 23:43:14 GMT
He's changed the style of play, but for me the evolution has been too slow. I'm not sure if that's a tad unfair. Within 3 months of his tenure, we were playing a much more expansive, easy on the eye game of football. Not rugby/Orc warfare.
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Aug 21, 2016 23:58:03 GMT
Post by chrisparker on Aug 21, 2016 23:58:03 GMT
There's no way Hughes would be let go before the end of the season. He's done well enough the last 3 years to have that much credit in the bank. Having said that the performances have been shite for the whole of 2016 and the problems with the squad/starting 11 are plain for most to see. If he doesn't get things right by the end of this season he should bloody well resign never-mind get the sack. Sadly it looks like QPR Mark 2. Our team has lost its spine. We had three excellent keepers when Mark Hughes arrived now we have one. We had a solid defence when he arrived. Now we have one that's conceded 4 goals 4 times in 8 games. On attack he's spent millions and yet we lack goals. Maybe it's a QPR scenario all over again. I just hope the dressing room is not lost. Except you fail to mention that Hughes has broken records at the club every season he's been here. Led us to 3 consecutive top half finishes & a league cup semifinal. He has been a terrific manager up till this point & but he sure as fuck needs to put an end to this dismal run otherwise he's running the risk of losing the fans. He just needs to immediately bring in a centre half & striker (not Berahino), work on the defensive shape in training & we'll have another great season with him.
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Aug 22, 2016 2:38:24 GMT
Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2016 2:38:24 GMT
Sadly it looks like QPR Mark 2. Our team has lost its spine. We had three excellent keepers when Mark Hughes arrived now we have one. We had a solid defence when he arrived. Now we have one that's conceded 4 goals 4 times in 8 games. On attack he's spent millions and yet we lack goals. Maybe it's a QPR scenario all over again. I just hope the dressing room is not lost. And that is the biggest worry ! he has failed to recognise the strengths he inherited and built on them, instead he has undermined the foundations and added some expensive extensions which are now too heavy for the additions he has added, you need solid foundations building on sand inevitably leads to a collapsing structure ask ant worthwhile builder. I am not exactly Hughes's biggest fan. However, the case can be made that he is doing exactly what he was brought in to do, which is dramatically change the style of play without going down in flames in the process. The very expensive players like Pogba are beyond his reach so he's had to take a chance on several out-of-favor players that have slumped due to injury, lost their form or didn't quite make the grade at the very top clubs like Joselu, Wollscheidt, Arni, Shaq, Bojan, Imbula, Johnson and Affelay. I am sure he realized that this was a very risky approach (he's not an idiot) and I am sure he would have preferred a more measured approach; however, expectations are very high and short term gains are the name of the game. I suspect he was given three years to change the style without "becoming QPR Mark 2". This is just like the stock market where the only thing that correlates with high returns is risk. Unfortunately, the chances of making a fortune in the stock market are about the same as losing everything. His boss is a bookie who understands this better than anyone. Several on this board have commented in the past that this is a put up or shut up year for Mark Hughes. People will argue that he has a new contract, which means Coates and Hughes are in it for the long haul. Nah: that just means Hughes gets a nice fat check if Coates decides to cut bait early. That's the transfer-market side of the equation. At times his tactics and substitutions are head-scratchingly bizarre to say the least.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2016 2:44:07 GMT
Don't even bring up big Sam,how many fans on here would go mental. They would be saying hes another Pulis, going backwards have a few years they want someone else in who wants to play football. We still argue about Pulis on a daily basis on here, thanks but no thanks. (by the way I'm very happy what Pulis did here, and I'm also happy with Hughes and what he's doing, a few new signings with Butland back and we will be a force again) Another reality check: We've shipped five goals in two games. None were the goalkeeper's fault. That ain't the problem.
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Aug 22, 2016 5:58:34 GMT
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Post by pottermouth on Aug 22, 2016 5:58:34 GMT
Sadly it looks like QPR Mark 2. Our team has lost its spine. We had three excellent keepers when Mark Hughes arrived now we have one. We had a solid defence when he arrived. Now we have one that's conceded 4 goals 4 times in 8 games. On attack he's spent millions and yet we lack goals. Maybe it's a QPR scenario all over again. I just hope the dressing room is not lost. Except you fail to mention that Hughes has broken records at the club every season he's been here. Led us to 3 consecutive top half finishes & a league cup semifinal. He has been a terrific manager up till this point & but he sure as fuck needs to put an end to this dismal run otherwise he's running the risk of losing the fans. He just needs to immediately bring in a centre half & striker (not Berahino), work on the defensive shape in training & we'll have another great season with him. No records have been broken. Stoke have finished much higher in the top division in a previous era but I understand your points re the Premier League era. As has been said by others, he inherited a solid squad albeit maybe deficient in flair that we have today. I just hope MH finds a balanced team. I bow to his superior judgement than mine on knowing the way forward, but I've been around long enough to see we are on a very bad run carried over from the previous season and this can lead to a relegation fight if not arrested.
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Aug 22, 2016 6:25:07 GMT
Post by Royal Donut on Aug 22, 2016 6:25:07 GMT
Don't even bring up big Sam,how many fans on here would go mental. They would be saying hes another Pulis, going backwards have a few years they want someone else in who wants to play football. We still argue about Pulis on a daily basis on here, thanks but no thanks. (by the way I'm very happy what Pulis did here, and I'm also happy with Hughes and what he's doing, a few new signings with Butland back and we will be a force again) Another reality check: We've shipped five goals in two games. None were the goalkeeper's fault. That ain't the problem. Haugaard was a problem, I was commenting from a post which said about the form from new year. But I do think the defence feel more confident with a better keeper behind them, and I think Butland commands his area better. Johnson been out didn't help. Man C are going put a lot of goals past many teams this year.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 22, 2016 6:37:03 GMT
Another reality check: We've shipped five goals in two games. None were the goalkeeper's fault. That ain't the problem. Haugaard was a problem, I was commenting from a post which said about the form from new year. But I do think the defence feel more confident with a better keeper behind them, and I think Butland commands his area better. Johnson been out didn't help. Man C are going put a lot of goals past many teams this year. It is probably a good job we played them early in the season, at least they were not up too speed.
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Aug 22, 2016 6:39:43 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Aug 22, 2016 6:39:43 GMT
Sadly it looks like QPR Mark 2. Our team has lost its spine. We had three excellent keepers when Mark Hughes arrived now we have one. We had a solid defence when he arrived. Now we have one that's conceded 4 goals 4 times in 8 games. On attack he's spent millions and yet we lack goals. Maybe it's a QPR scenario all over again. I just hope the dressing room is not lost. Except you fail to mention that Hughes has broken records at the club every season he's been here. Led us to 3 consecutive top half finishes & a league cup semifinal. He has been a terrific manager up till this point & but he sure as fuck needs to put an end to this dismal run otherwise he's running the risk of losing the fans. He just needs to immediately bring in a centre half & striker (not Berahino), work on the defensive shape in training & we'll have another great season with him. What records has he broken ?
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Aug 22, 2016 6:45:37 GMT
Post by blackpoolred on Aug 22, 2016 6:45:37 GMT
Bit of a direspectful post given what he has acheived thus far. Having said that, if I am honest, I am struggling with what he is trying to acheive and I can understand the sentiments. Since the transfer window last season where we lost Bego, Nzonzi and then he gave Huth away I have been a bit bamboozled. There is no balance to the team(which has been mentioned already in other threads). No competition in certain areas of the park, now only 2 viable centre halves at the club, which is getting almost comical. Too many flair players just being thrown in, no defensive unit or plan Allen added some much needed balance to that midfield yesterday and the window is still open so let's see what he does. It looks like we are trying to bring in a Centre Half and striker, we desperately need to add pace to an exposed defence and a new no.2 keeper also, although we wont be worrying too much about the keeper if Butland comes back and plays a full season. But yes deflated, confused and a tad disappointed as it stands at the moment. Dont look good going forward, not sure where a clean sheet is coming from, usual slow start with players not looking fit or prepared - arrrrrrrggghhh. Sort it out Hughes for feck sake Im not being disrespectful im happy with hughes im asking who would the doubters claim to be the new messiah Safe to say I am a doubter at the moment, but I think he deserves a chance and we should not be talking of changing managers or even hinting at it just yet. That said, Allardyce should be available by xmas
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Aug 22, 2016 6:51:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 6:51:49 GMT
Who is this TP you refer to? Is this the Baseball Cap, glasses and tracksuit man you were referring to the other night?
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Aug 22, 2016 7:55:51 GMT
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Post by ryan4england on Aug 22, 2016 7:55:51 GMT
Sean dyche the ginger mourhino
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 22, 2016 8:01:46 GMT
Hughes is here for the long haul unless we have a real disaster. Three 9th place finishes is sufficient to give him every chance of being allowed scope to improve us.
Still have great faith in him myself but we do need an injury free run.
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