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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 12:15:52 GMT
That wouldn't be a bad signing. He's more than competent on an average day and very good on his day. Good player. Don't get me wrong, I really like Ki. I think he's an excellent player. Not sure he's the type of player we need though. Not sure Allen is completely, but I think he'd be a better fit at the minute. If the club are looking at a like for like replacement for Afellay then Ki is more that than Allen though. It depends on what the club are after and it might be both types for all us 'grunts' know!? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 22, 2016 12:17:52 GMT
Strongly suspect that this will be a family motivated thing as much as anything. If his Mrs wants to get back nearer her folks when bringing up a young family that is going to have a tremendously strong influence. I fear that yet again we are wasting inordinate amounts of time and effort tilting at the wrong targets. Sadly that'd have to be where you'd put your money , although everyone's different. And he may be perfectly settled in Cheshire and won over by the Hughes sell. If a top club were in, it'd probably be different. But doubt the lure of Stoke, even if we are a marginally better bet from a footballing point of view, will take priority over going home nearer to his and his wife's family and back to the club he was between 9-22. Either way, the money will be similar and he'll have kissed goodbye to the potential trophy-winning stage of his career Interesting to see what he'd do if Swansea don't match. Would he sit tight and hope £8m would be enough to get him in January, knowing he could definitely go there next summer on a Bosman on a huge contract? |
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 22, 2016 12:22:00 GMT
It does seem to add up though doesn't it? The Joe Allen news breaks on Wednesday night, with various news outlets, and Percy mentions our "frustrated" pursuit of Ki, and even seems to have a direct quote from Coates confirming our bid for Allen. Swansea then either have to play ball with regards to Ki (to fund/make space for Allen) or we get a clear run at Joe Allen instead........ .....Until those cunts Southampton come in with a bid  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2016 12:23:16 GMT
The self styled best recruitment team in the business can surely? Short of putting a sheep's head in his bed, Tom Hagen and Paul McKenna combined can't make a player. He might sign, he might not. Not everything is down to bumbling incompetence. Surely being 'persuasive' is part of a recruitment teams remit? |
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 22, 2016 12:23:45 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I really like Ki. I think he's an excellent player. Not sure he's the type of player we need though. Not sure Allen is completely, but I think he'd be a better fit at the minute. If the club are looking at a like for like replacement for Afellay then Ki is more that than Allen though. It depends on what the club are after and it might be both types for all us 'grunts' know!? Yeah you're probably right in fairness. I'm basing it more on what type of player I want us to sign rather than anything else. |
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Post by rich0529 on Jul 22, 2016 12:25:29 GMT
Joe allen would be a good signing but the lad from Swansea could be "key" in our squad....
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jul 22, 2016 12:27:12 GMT
Just had a premonition...
We manage to get the Allen deal done and we put a sneaky £20m bid in for Williams, turns out there'd be more Welshmen here than Swansea ;-)
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 13:00:40 GMT
Short of putting a sheep's head in his bed, Tom Hagen and Paul McKenna combined can't make a player. He might sign, he might not. Not everything is down to bumbling incompetence. Surely being 'persuasive' is part of a recruitment teams remit? What are you proposing? AK-47? Violation with the transfer tallywhacker? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2016 13:25:18 GMT
Surely being 'persuasive' is part of a recruitment teams remit? What are you proposing? AK-47? Violation with the transfer tallywhacker? We've certainly missed a few 'page 1' targets already. What use is a recruitment team if it can't sell the club? |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 22, 2016 13:46:51 GMT
What are you proposing? AK-47? Violation with the transfer tallywhacker? We've certainly missed a few 'page 1' targets already. What use is a recruitment team if it can't sell the club? Nothing that an extra digit on the contract wouldn't cure |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 14:08:27 GMT
What are you proposing? AK-47? Violation with the transfer tallywhacker? We've certainly missed a few 'page 1' targets already. What use is a recruitment team if it can't sell the club? You can make a club sound like the Harlem Globetrotters, it doesn't matter a jot if the player's got his heart set on going home. |
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jul 22, 2016 14:10:15 GMT
Apparently Swansea are set to match Stoke bid 13m. So it looks like we will lose out yet again. When will stoke learn to do deals more quickly?How things stand at the moment i cant see us signing anybody
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Post by werrington on Jul 22, 2016 14:12:38 GMT
Apparently Swansea are set to match Stoke bid 13m. So it looks like we will lose out yet again. When will stoke learn to do deals more quickly?How things stand at the moment i cant see us signing anybody He wasn't available to do it " more quickly " Liverpool have only agreed to sell him because theyve bought Wynaldum Why can't people grasp it all |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 14:13:04 GMT
Apparently Swansea are set to match Stoke bid 13m. So it looks like we will lose out yet again. When will stoke learn to do deals more quickly?How things stand at the moment i cant see us signing anybody How can we do it quickly if he wants to go back to Swansea anyway? |
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jul 22, 2016 14:17:16 GMT
Joe Allen is in the last year of his contract so liverpool will sell him before he walks away for nothing. Why can you grasp that
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 22, 2016 14:18:53 GMT
Apparently Swansea are set to match Stoke bid 13m. So it looks like we will lose out yet again. When will stoke learn to do deals more quickly?How things stand at the moment i cant see us signing anybody Look at all the targets we missed last year , at least other clubs want our targets . |
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 22, 2016 14:18:57 GMT
Joe Allen is in the last year of his contract so liverpool will sell him before he walks away for nothing. Why can you grasp that You do realise a player has to agree to the move too? Allen knows Swansea are interested. They had an £8m bid rejected earlier in the summer. If he wants to move there, how exactly can we complete the deal 'quickly'? |
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Post by werrington on Jul 22, 2016 14:19:36 GMT
Joe Allen is in the last year of his contract so liverpool will sell him before he walks away for nothing. Why can you grasp that But they weren't selling him until they'd signed a replacement ....which was Wednesday |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 22, 2016 14:20:27 GMT
If Sparky can get in a room with him then there's a slight, tiny bit of a chance. It's just whether Allen will give us the time of day to do that. I don't think he will.
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Post by homer32 on Jul 22, 2016 14:20:52 GMT
Does anyone know where Joe lives?.Is he married with kids and if so does his wife come from Swansea?. All these factors will influence the players decision.If he is living near Liverpool and he/family are happy then we are favourites as they wont need to move.We are favourites to get Berahino because he lives in Penkridge and enjoys his social life there.Its not always about their best career move.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 14:23:42 GMT
Does anyone know where Joe lives?.Is he married with kids and if so does his wife come from Swansea?. All these factors will influence the players decision.If he is living near Liverpool and he/family are happy then we are favourites as they wont need to move.We are favourites to et Berahino because he lives in Penkridge and enjoys his social life there.Its not always about their best career move. What are we thinking here? Dig out his address and send the boys round? |
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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2016 14:25:02 GMT
Just because you're from somewhere doesn't mean you want to live there.
You can always go back home to settle down later.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 14:31:48 GMT
Just because you're from somewhere doesn't mean you want to live there. You can always go back home to settle down later. And that may well turn out to be the case here. If he's got his heart set on going back though, I'm not sure this is one we can pin on Scholes' incompetence (unless we really, really want to and would anyway in any circumstances). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 14:35:17 GMT
A Welsh wife, one child who hasn't started school. Stoke over Swansea not an easy sell for the family. In one very important aspect we're far more Welsh than them though. He may feel that the chairman is buying him for Swansea, and the manager at Stoke. Might be crucial. Opt for Stoke and he wouldn't have to move his wife, kid, goats, shetland ponies, dogs and chickens from the family home. (Yes, I've done a little research).   |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 22, 2016 14:37:24 GMT
It's hardly a Crouchy style commute even if he does wanna live in Wales. I think it's more to do with playing for the club he supports.
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Post by rawli on Jul 22, 2016 14:37:25 GMT
Just because you're from somewhere doesn't mean you want to live there. You can always go back home to settle down later. And that may well turn out to be the case here. If he's got his heart set on going back though, I'm not sure this is one we can pin on Scholes' incompetence (unless we really, really want to and would anyway in any circumstances). Can't see that happening. No one would be so blinkered. |
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jul 22, 2016 14:38:30 GMT
Other clubs might want our targets but what good does that do us
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Post by alster on Jul 22, 2016 14:41:37 GMT
Just because you're from somewhere doesn't mean you want to live there. You can always go back home to settle down later. I'm originally from Longton so I know exactly what you mean. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 14:43:14 GMT
Other clubs might want our targets but what good does that do us I don't see your point Sharon? How can we 'get things done quickly' in this particular instance? |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 22, 2016 14:51:26 GMT
Just because you're from somewhere doesn't mean you want to live there. You can always go back home to settle down later. I'm originally from Longton so I know exactly what you mean. Me too! And look how far away I have escaped to! LOL |
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