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Post by ange1 on Jul 11, 2016 16:22:27 GMT
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Post by Waggy on Jul 11, 2016 16:33:24 GMT
I would have with pleasure but i go ramblings on the weekend days stoke are not at home and do a spot of twitching |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 11, 2016 17:07:18 GMT
I think that the Council has a model format which is the best of any PL club, being totally democratic in its structure, with a wide range of membership categories, and regular meetings with the CEO and other senior staff of the club. That said, since it was set up, I think it has been a little disappointing that too often fans have been elected unopposed, and that there have even been some vacancies, and that where there have been elections, the voter turnout has often been low. Therefore I hope that more fans will put themselves forward for election this time than has sometimes been the case in the past, and that voter turnout will be higher. If those things happen, the Council will have greater authority and credibility to represent supporters. So, if you are tempted, my advice is - go for it  |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 11, 2016 19:55:12 GMT
Let's see how many gobshites on here actually put themselves forward.
For what it's worth Malcolm I think you guys do Stoke City a great service.
Fair play to you
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Post by Silkystoke on Jul 11, 2016 22:12:03 GMT
Ohhhh elections, I thought it said............
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 4:45:48 GMT
Malcolm, just a thought but as football marketing and the business model changes, has the club ever considered supporter representation from distant markets?
Bods from or located in North Anerica, Africa, the Far East etc might give good insight into how the club communicates, how to increase revenue (merchandise, subscriptions, and other insight.
Or is it likely to remain a "feet on the ground" role for real supporters?
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Post by Waggy on Jul 12, 2016 6:04:24 GMT
I think that the Council has a model format which is the best of any PL club, being totally democratic in its structure, with a wide range of membership categories, and regular meetings with the CEO and other senior staff of the club. That said, since it was set up, I think it has been a little disappointing that too often fans have been elected unopposed, and that there have even been some vacancies, and that where there have been elections, the voter turnout has often been low. Therefore I hope that more fans will put themselves forward for election this time than has sometimes been the case in the past, and that voter turnout will be higher. If those things happen, the Council will have greater authority and credibility to represent supporters. So, if you are tempted, my advice is - go for it If it was meeting on a Tuesday and Thursday i would jump at it but i am chairman of the 'rambling on' walking group. I would love to put some points across though sometime Malcolm via email or wherever i can. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 12, 2016 7:29:31 GMT
Malcolm, just a thought but as football marketing and the business model changes, has the club ever considered supporter representation from distant markets? Bods from or located in North Anerica, Africa, the Far East etc might give good insight into how the club communicates, how to increase revenue (merchandise, subscriptions, and other insight. Or is it likely to remain a "feet on the ground" role for real supporters? Telephone meeting, Skype, facetime... |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 12, 2016 9:41:10 GMT
Let's see how many gobshites on here actually put themselves forward. For what it's worth Malcolm I think you guys do Stoke City a great service. Fair play to you That's kind of you. Just to clarify, I was on the Supporters Council when it was set up, but didn't stand for re-election. I have more than enough on my plate as the national chair of the FSF and supporters' rep. on the FA Council. But it is very important that we have a strong and vibrant Council at club level. It is easy to put the world, or in this case the club, to rights from behind a computer keyboard. Achieving real change by representing fans face to face with those who take decisions, either at club or national level, is just a tad more difficult, but at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 12, 2016 9:52:17 GMT
Malcolm, just a thought but as football marketing and the business model changes, has the club ever considered supporter representation from distant markets? Bods from or located in North Anerica, Africa, the Far East etc might give good insight into how the club communicates, how to increase revenue (merchandise, subscriptions, and other insight. Or is it likely to remain a "feet on the ground" role for real supporters? Any democratic supporters club with 200+ members has an automatic seat on the Council. The Norweigan supporters club qualify, and certainly when I was on the Council attended regularly. There is no other provision for involvement/representation by supporters living abroad. It would I suppose be possible to establish one or more seats for fans abroad and use technology to enable them to join the meeting remotely, although it might raise issues about how representative they could be if they weren't accessible to their electorate. But the world changes and like any other body its format shouldn't be regarded as set in stone for ever. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 12, 2016 11:01:23 GMT
Let's see how many gobshites on here actually put themselves forward. For what it's worth Malcolm I think you guys do Stoke City a great service. Fair play to you That's kind of you. Just to clarify, I was on the Supporters Council when it was set up, but didn't stand for re-election. I have more than enough on my plate as the national chair of the FSF and supporters' rep. on the FA Council. But it is very important that we have a strong and vibrant Council at club level. It is easy to put the world, or in this case the club, to rights from behind a computer keyboard. Achieving real change by representing fans face to face with those who take decisions, either at club or national level, is just a tad more difficult, but at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. Malcolm, I heard that the real reason you did not stand for re-election was the club's blatant refusal to even consider the provision of safe standing in the meeting room!  Seriously, my reason for not putting myself forward is mostly to do with the problems it would cause on match day meetings. At the moment my two dogs can cope with being home alone on match days and a neighbour will let them out and walk them if I am going to be away longer than 9 hours. But a meeting on match days would realistically mean that both dogs would have to go into kennels for the night before the game and the night of the game - that's a sacrifice I can't ask them (or my wallet) to make. Meetings where members could have a virtual presence through video conferencing (you mention in another post) would certainly open up the numbers of exiles willing to be nominated - although, knowing our club's relationship with modern technology, I will have shuffled off this mortal coil long before they got a workable system in operation.  |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jul 12, 2016 13:45:50 GMT
Just a query as the statement is not exactly clear. If you were interested in either a general seat or a Family stand special seat (I am interested in both) do you have to submit separate statements for either position or will a single statement cover both? I only ask as I am better suited to now attend next season, both from a generalist point of view (long term fan from foreign shores who lives outside the Stoke on Trent region, however I have also lived in Stoke on Trent and can compare the difference between both types of locations and also other countries/clubs). Furthermore, with 3 young children (Ages 6-9) I will have a good insight into what they may like or dislike when growing their "love" for Stoke City FC (apart from being indoctrinated by their father lol!) I'll apply once I know the detail  |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 12, 2016 15:39:59 GMT
Just a query as the statement is not exactly clear. If you were interested in either a general seat or a Family stand special seat (I am interested in both) do you have to submit separate statements for either position or will a single statement cover both? I only ask as I am better suited to now attend next season, both from a generalist point of view (long term fan from foreign shores who lives outside the Stoke on Trent region, however I have also lived in Stoke on Trent and can compare the difference between both types of locations and also other countries/clubs). Furthermore, with 3 young children (Ages 6-9) I will have a good insight into what they may like or dislike when growing their "love" for Stoke City FC (apart from being indoctrinated by their father lol!) I'll apply once I know the detail I don't have the authority to give a definitive ruling, but my understanding is that one statement would suffice. The relevant section of the rules states Candidates may submit themselves for both a general seat and a specialist seat. The general seats will be filled first and candidates who have been successful in those categories will be disregarded in their specialist category Terms of office are for 2 years. The original rules stated that no-one could serve more than 3 consecutive terms i.e 6 years in total. The intention of this was , whilst allowing appropriate continuity, to ensure some turnover and prevent the same people being on it for years. On looking at the rules on the club website, this doesn't appear. I'm not sure whether this means they are just an abbreviated version, or whether the Council have removed that restriction. Personally, I think it's a good rule to have. |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 12, 2016 16:11:16 GMT
Malcolm, just a thought but as football marketing and the business model changes, has the club ever considered supporter representation from distant markets? Bods from or located in North Anerica, Africa, the Far East etc might give good insight into how the club communicates, how to increase revenue (merchandise, subscriptions, and other insight. Or is it likely to remain a "feet on the ground" role for real supporters? Telephone meeting, Skype, facetime... Yes true Bath, we need to get 21st century here. Malcolm can we have a skype conference call |
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Post by ange1 on Jul 12, 2016 16:46:30 GMT
If anyone requires more information on the elections they can contact myself at any time. Good luck if you apply.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 12, 2016 16:49:52 GMT
Let's see how many gobshites on here actually put themselves forward. For what it's worth Malcolm I think you guys do Stoke City a great service. Fair play to you I'll have you know, I come from a long line & glorious tradition of gobshites & we are well represented in S-O-T, Racist! |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 12, 2016 17:42:57 GMT
If anyone requires more information on the elections they can contact myself at any time. Good luck if you apply. I cant as i say im chairman of the walking club but i know Derek Fenelhurst might be interested. I will pass on your words. |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jul 12, 2016 19:35:40 GMT
Just a query as the statement is not exactly clear. If you were interested in either a general seat or a Family stand special seat (I am interested in both) do you have to submit separate statements for either position or will a single statement cover both? I only ask as I am better suited to now attend next season, both from a generalist point of view (long term fan from foreign shores who lives outside the Stoke on Trent region, however I have also lived in Stoke on Trent and can compare the difference between both types of locations and also other countries/clubs). Furthermore, with 3 young children (Ages 6-9) I will have a good insight into what they may like or dislike when growing their "love" for Stoke City FC (apart from being indoctrinated by their father lol!) I'll apply once I know the detail I don't have the authority to give a definitive ruling, but my understanding is that one statement would suffice. The relevant section of the rules states Candidates may submit themselves for both a general seat and a specialist seat. The general seats will be filled first and candidates who have been successful in those categories will be disregarded in their specialist category Terms of office are for 2 years. The original rules stated that no-one could serve more than 3 consecutive terms i.e 6 years in total. The intention of this was , whilst allowing appropriate continuity, to ensure some turnover and prevent the same people being on it for years. On looking at the rules on the club website, this doesn't appear. I'm not sure whether this means they are just an abbreviated version, or whether the Council have removed that restriction. Personally, I think it's a good rule to have. Thank you Malcolm... I'll submit my application in tonight |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 12, 2016 20:34:15 GMT
I don't have the authority to give a definitive ruling, but my understanding is that one statement would suffice. The relevant section of the rules states Candidates may submit themselves for both a general seat and a specialist seat. The general seats will be filled first and candidates who have been successful in those categories will be disregarded in their specialist category Terms of office are for 2 years. The original rules stated that no-one could serve more than 3 consecutive terms i.e 6 years in total. The intention of this was , whilst allowing appropriate continuity, to ensure some turnover and prevent the same people being on it for years. On looking at the rules on the club website, this doesn't appear. I'm not sure whether this means they are just an abbreviated version, or whether the Council have removed that restriction. Personally, I think it's a good rule to have. Thank you Malcolm... I'll submit my application in tonight Never said this before but good luck German |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jul 12, 2016 23:02:45 GMT
Thank you Malcolm... I'll submit my application in tonight Never said this before but good luck German Thank you Waggy. The sentiment is appreciated |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 13, 2016 21:28:23 GMT
Let's see how many gobshites on here actually put themselves forward. For what it's worth Malcolm I think you guys do Stoke City a great service. Fair play to you That's kind of you. Just to clarify, I was on the Supporters Council when it was set up, but didn't stand for re-election. I have more than enough on my plate as the national chair of the FSF and supporters' rep. on the FA Council. But it is very important that we have a strong and vibrant Council at club level. It is easy to put the world, or in this case the club, to rights from behind a computer keyboard. Achieving real change by representing fans face to face with those who take decisions, either at club or national level, is just a tad more difficult, but at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. Surely ukyestony got the corner filled in Malcolm |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jul 14, 2016 16:55:35 GMT
Done and submitted. I have just read it back and realised how very corporate I sound lol!!! I have applied for a General seat and/or the Family Stand specialist seat. Ah well.... Wish me luck and also good luck to all candidates who are standing. Whatever the result, it will hopefully continue to build on the foundations to being a truly fans community club |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 14, 2016 16:57:02 GMT
Done and submitted. I have just read it back and realised how very corporate I sound lol!!! I have applied for a General seat and/or the Family Stand specialist seat. Ah well.... Wish me luck and also good luck to all candidates who are standing. Whatever the result, it will hopefully continue to build on the foundations to being a truly fans community club German im right behind you and so is my friend Trevor. Up the German. Bravo |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jul 14, 2016 17:03:52 GMT
Done and submitted. I have just read it back and realised how very corporate I sound lol!!! I have applied for a General seat and/or the Family Stand specialist seat. Ah well.... Wish me luck and also good luck to all candidates who are standing. Whatever the result, it will hopefully continue to build on the foundations to being a truly fans community club German im right behind you and so is my friend Trevor. Up the German. Bravo I appreciate your firm support. It allows me to relax while confidently thrusting forward in my ventures knowing that you and Trevor are right behind me. |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 14, 2016 17:09:35 GMT
German im right behind you and so is my friend Trevor. Up the German. Bravo I appreciate your firm support. It allows me to relax while confidently thrusting forward in my ventures knowing that you and Trevor are right behind me. Could you request a blanket station at certain points in the stadia and maybe a local brewery ( joules perhaps) having their local ale on tap at half time. If you get elected i have many many many suggestions. I will have to get your personal email. |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 14, 2016 17:10:38 GMT
I appreciate your firm support. It allows me to relax while confidently thrusting forward in my ventures knowing that you and Trevor are right behind me. Could you request a blanket station at certain points in the stadia and maybe a local brewery ( joules perhaps) having their local ale on tap at half time. If you get elected i have many many many suggestions. I will have to get your personal email. And Malcolm and Ange's. |
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Post by foster on Jul 15, 2016 11:46:23 GMT
Have we established yet if any of these meetings can be held remotely?
Do we know who from here is in the running?
Who decides if you get a seat or not?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 13:39:18 GMT
I would have with pleasure but i go ramblings on the weekend days stoke are not at home and do a spot of twitching Match made in heaven......I've heard ange is quite a twitcher  you never know, you may spot Raven on the wing |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 15, 2016 15:36:16 GMT
Done and submitted. I have just read it back and realised how very corporate I sound lol!!! I have applied for a General seat and/or the Family Stand specialist seat. Ah well.... Wish me luck and also good luck to all candidates who are standing. Whatever the result, it will hopefully continue to build on the foundations to being a truly fans community club You will obviously need a visa to enter our country in the not too distant future |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 15, 2016 22:35:20 GMT
Have we established yet if any of these meetings can be held remotely? Do we know who from here is in the running? Who decides if you get a seat or not? The electorate of ST holders and members through a vote on the club website. The club have no say on who's on the electronic ballot paper or who is elected |
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