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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 18:10:52 GMT
Are you suggesting he's a tranny, like you.....or a Cupid Stunt, like you? Ah, had my suspicions
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 17, 2016 6:55:13 GMT
And you sooo wish you could return to Great Britain 'cos you've been 'forced' to work in the US because we're not a part of the EU... No hang on, that isn't right, we've been in the EU for decades, but you & all you brainy mates work in the US 'cos we're not in the EU... No hang on, none of this is making sense. Great Britain was in the EU but you & all your mates apparently fucked off to work in the US. Now you're saying you'd all love to come back to Great Britain but can't/wont 'cos we're no longer in the 'club' that we were in when you fucked off in the first place. Forgive me if I think you're full of, and speak, an absolute fucking lorry load of shit. I only said that I want politicians to quickly tell us either that we'll keep access to Horizon 2020 or guarantee they'll plug the money gap. Brexit politicians promised they would, but we've heard nothing and seen no money on the table. The UK research project budget is £3.7 billion plus £1.1 bn for other stuff like overheads and kit. Our unis win about £1.2 billion from the EU and we also get money through European centres like the Space Agency in Didcot, weather forecasting in Reading, medicines agency in London etc. Less money for science means less science, isn't that obvious? As for my mates and me: we're doing the temporary J1 visa exchange program. We've all had similar experiences when talking with Brexit-voters at home: a kind of big "fuck off" attitude aimed at us for trying to learn to do jobs that we thought were exciting and worthwhile. But for us it's just a fact that UK job opportunities have gone to shit and we need the politicians to pull their fingers out or the UK is going to lose people with technical skills. I'm worried for UK research because I think it's important, we're good at it and it's good for Britain. Are you happy for us to surrender that, or do you agree with me that the government should be guaranteeing the money for science and should do it quickly? That big fuck off attitude seems to be growing and growing at the moment, quite worrying and all a bit, well, thick. Seems like too many Leavers just don't give a flying fuck for the consequences for their country and anyone who expresses entirely legitimate concerns is abused and ridiculed. Its all very aggressive and seems to be a rather childish response along the lines of someone having their party spoiled and lashing out accordingly. I must admit I don't share the optimism. So immigration ceases whoopee do who does those jobs then? So we negotiate trade deals over the next decade, that takes us back to where we were six months ago after all why would trade necessarily increase? Red tape? We'll still have to abide by all the regs if we want to sell around the world. So we'll have spent at least a decade of uncertainty, probable recession or recessions, excessive borrowing, increased national debt and deficit and repayments and after all that we may let immigrants back in to do the jobs we can't be arsed to do anyway, taking us right back to square one. Mental.
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 17, 2016 9:53:02 GMT
I only said that I want politicians to quickly tell us either that we'll keep access to Horizon 2020 or guarantee they'll plug the money gap. Brexit politicians promised they would, but we've heard nothing and seen no money on the table. The UK research project budget is £3.7 billion plus £1.1 bn for other stuff like overheads and kit. Our unis win about £1.2 billion from the EU and we also get money through European centres like the Space Agency in Didcot, weather forecasting in Reading, medicines agency in London etc. Less money for science means less science, isn't that obvious? As for my mates and me: we're doing the temporary J1 visa exchange program. We've all had similar experiences when talking with Brexit-voters at home: a kind of big "fuck off" attitude aimed at us for trying to learn to do jobs that we thought were exciting and worthwhile. But for us it's just a fact that UK job opportunities have gone to shit and we need the politicians to pull their fingers out or the UK is going to lose people with technical skills. I'm worried for UK research because I think it's important, we're good at it and it's good for Britain. Are you happy for us to surrender that, or do you agree with me that the government should be guaranteeing the money for science and should do it quickly? That big fuck off attitude seems to be growing and growing at the moment, quite worrying and all a bit, well, thick. Seems like too many Leavers just don't give a flying fuck for the consequences for their country and anyone who expresses entirely legitimate concerns is abused and ridiculed. Its all very aggressive and seems to be a rather childish response along the lines of someone having their party spoiled and lashing out accordingly. I must admit I don't share the optimism. So immigration ceases whoopee do who does those jobs then? So we negotiate trade deals over the next decade, that takes us back to where we were six months ago after all why would trade necessarily increase? Red tape? We'll still have to abide by all the regs if we want to sell around the world. So we'll have spent at least a decade of uncertainty, probable recession or recessions, excessive borrowing, increased national debt and deficit and repayments and after all that we may let immigrants back in to do the jobs we can't be arsed to do anyway, taking us right back to square one. Mental. That's because when people run out of arguments they turn to aggression and the fuck you attitude. Not everyone of course, but a lot of leave voters are a bit thick. The ones who have their well considered reasons for wanting to leave feel backed into a corner and retaliate too. There's also a feeling that the younger generation have it too easy, like the 50-60 somethings had it at all hard. That's a harder one to explain. All in all it needs to end because the UK will need everyone working together to get through Brexit unscathed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 9:56:46 GMT
That big fuck off attitude seems to be growing and growing at the moment, quite worrying and all a bit, well, thick. Seems like too many Leavers just don't give a flying fuck for the consequences for their country and anyone who expresses entirely legitimate concerns is abused and ridiculed. Its all very aggressive and seems to be a rather childish response along the lines of someone having their party spoiled and lashing out accordingly. I must admit I don't share the optimism. So immigration ceases whoopee do who does those jobs then? So we negotiate trade deals over the next decade, that takes us back to where we were six months ago after all why would trade necessarily increase? Red tape? We'll still have to abide by all the regs if we want to sell around the world. So we'll have spent at least a decade of uncertainty, probable recession or recessions, excessive borrowing, increased national debt and deficit and repayments and after all that we may let immigrants back in to do the jobs we can't be arsed to do anyway, taking us right back to square one. Mental. That's because when people run out of arguments they turn to aggression and the fuck you attitude. Not everyone of course, but a lot of leave voters are a bit thick. The ones who have their well considered reasons for wanting to leave feel backed into a corner and retaliate too. There's also a feeling that the younger generation have it too easy, like the 50-60 somethings had it at all hard. That's a harder one to explain. All in all it needs to end because the UK will need everyone working together to get through Brexit unscathed. That's a bit aggressive
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 17, 2016 9:59:55 GMT
That's because when people run out of arguments they turn to aggression and the fuck you attitude. Not everyone of course, but a lot of leave voters are a bit thick. The ones who have their well considered reasons for wanting to leave feel backed into a corner and retaliate too. There's also a feeling that the younger generation have it too easy, like the 50-60 somethings had it at all hard. That's a harder one to explain. All in all it needs to end because the UK will need everyone working together to get through Brexit unscathed. That's a bit aggressive I was waiting for that
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Post by desman2 on Jul 17, 2016 10:13:04 GMT
I always love the old, we get money from the EU scenario. We get our own money back, not some fucking favour from the great project. As for the who will do the jobs if immigration is reduced. The same ones who did them before. We did actually have things working before 2004 you know, before employers used cheap labour to turn the minimum wage into the maximum wage.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2016 23:00:11 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 23, 2016 8:46:17 GMT
"Both manufacturing and service sectors saw a decline in output and orders. However, exports picked up, driven by the weakening of the pound." "So this is a troubling set of results. But it is just one month's worth. It is possible that this is a "shock-induced nadir", as the chief economist at the firm who conducted the survey put it, and that the economy will right itself in the coming months." "Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, said the figures provided the "first major evidence that the UK is entering a sharp downturn". Although he added that the "confidence shock from the Leave vote might wear off over the coming months"." "Let's be clear, the PMI data is a measure of sentiment, it's not a measure of any hard activity in the economy." - Philip Hammond. All guess work. Nothing new. It might take 6 months it might take 6 years but I'm positive we're on a better course as an individual country than in a cooperative of 28.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 23, 2016 11:06:53 GMT
All guess work. Nothing new. It might take 6 months it might take 6 years but I'm positive we're on a better course as an individual country than in a cooperative of 28. I think that's basically what most of us Leave voters will be saying for the next ten or more years. No matter how bad it gets, how long a recession or weak the economy gets, how much more in debt the country becomes, how much the deficit suffers, what happens to taxes and spending, the answer will be it'll all be fine in the end! I suppose that's one good thing, no one who voted Leave will ever be able to moan about the country again, cos whatever happens they voted for it!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 12:04:20 GMT
All guess work. Nothing new. It might take 6 months it might take 6 years but I'm positive we're on a better course as an individual country than in a cooperative of 28. I think that's basically what most of us Leave voters will be saying for the next ten or more years. No matter how bad it gets, how long a recession or weak the economy gets, how much more in debt the country becomes, how much the deficit suffers, what happens to taxes and spending, the answer will be it'll all be fine in the end! I suppose that's one good thing, no one who voted Leave will ever be able to moan about the country again, cos whatever happens they voted for it!at the same token, I guess the in voters will be saying everything in their sad negative lives lies at the feet of the brexiters. keep talking the country down in big enough numbers and you'll have your wish
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 23, 2016 12:46:17 GMT
All guess work. Nothing new. It might take 6 months it might take 6 years but I'm positive we're on a better course as an individual country than in a cooperative of 28. I think that's basically what most of us Leave voters will be saying for the next ten or more years. No matter how bad it gets, how long a recession or weak the economy gets, how much more in debt the country becomes, how much the deficit suffers, what happens to taxes and spending, the answer will be it'll all be fine in the end! I suppose that's one good thing, no one who voted Leave will ever be able to moan about the country again, cos whatever happens they voted for it! Not really mate. If we are truly struggling in "ten or more years" and it's undoubtedly because of the Brexit decision then I for one would put my hand up and say it was a mistake. But I honestly don't think that will be the case. Anyway, bookmark this post and PM me in 2026 . Of course the Leave voters can moan about the country in the future if it's being run badly. Nowt to do with EU membership.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 24, 2016 2:02:46 GMT
I'd like to know what pro-Brexit oatcakers think about immigration.
Some say we need lots of immigrants to pay for pensions etc, so some Brexiters want to switch to a points-based system to bring in lots of immigrants but make sure they're the "best" for us. Others are saying they want to cut numbers. What would you do?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 24, 2016 8:43:06 GMT
I'd like to know what pro-Brexit oatcakers think about immigration. Some say we need lots of immigrants to pay for pensions etc, so some Brexiters want to switch to a points-based system to bring in lots of immigrants but make sure they're the "best" for us. Others are saying they want to cut numbers. What would you do? I'm speaking here for my friends and family who mostly voted leave............the uncontrolled immigration as part of EU is unacceptable, unsustainable, puts massive pressure on everything from housing and NHS to education, welfare and transport infrastructure. They accept that those who are currently living here legally should stay. Future immigration must be on a needs basis allowing people in who have work or who have the skills needed. It would be futile and idiotic to not do this.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jul 24, 2016 9:23:37 GMT
I'd like to know what pro-Brexit oatcakers think about immigration. Some say we need lots of immigrants to pay for pensions etc, so some Brexiters want to switch to a points-based system to bring in lots of immigrants but make sure they're the "best" for us. Others are saying they want to cut numbers. What would you do? The only half sensible reason for the uncontrolled immigration that we've had for the past decade is the argument that we need an ever increasing number of workers to pay for our ageing population. But where will that end? Our NI payments are not some private pension scheme that the government puts aside to pay for our pension, it pays the pensions of today and continually increasing our population to pay for this pyramid scheme is not the answer. How many more people will need to be brought over in another 10, 20, 50 years? My own personal opinion is that we should only allow in those people who can make a contribution that we are in need of. I'm sure this covers many areas one of which I assume to be nurses at the moment. I've no idea why we can't train our own young to be nurses and this should be an area that government increases funding for.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 24, 2016 12:46:38 GMT
I'd like to know what pro-Brexit oatcakers think about immigration. Some say we need lots of immigrants to pay for pensions etc, so some Brexiters want to switch to a points-based system to bring in lots of immigrants but make sure they're the "best" for us. Others are saying they want to cut numbers. What would you do? The pension thing I'll never understand. If we bring in a million now, what do we do when they & their kids all get older? Bring in two million? Then what happens when they & their kids get older? Bring in five/ten million? What happens when they're all old? Bring in twenty-five million immigrants to pay for pensions? It's the most stupid idea I've ever heard. As for immigration it's really quite simple. If we've got a shortage of, lets say doctors, and we've got a few people trying to come here from India, Japan & Nigeria who're qualified doctors & can speak good English, come on in. If we need, lets say some electricians & you've got the right qualifcations & can speak English, come on in. If you've got nothing to offer us, you're just hoping to work stacking shelves, or just hoping to use the NHS & claim benefits, and you more than likely can't even speak basic English, then I'm affraid you're of no use to us at all, so sorry, you'll have to go & find another country to live in. The same applies to any foreigner with a criminal record, especially for murder/rape/etc...
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 24, 2016 18:48:17 GMT
The pension thing I'll never understand. If we bring in a million now, what do we do when they & their kids all get older? Bring in two million? Then what happens when they & their kids get older? Bring in five/ten million? What happens when they're all old? Bring in twenty-five million immigrants to pay for pensions? It's the most stupid idea I've ever heard. That's not how the maths works though - the number of immigrants needed stays the same so long as fertility rates don't change. Anyway, more old people and things like the "triple lock" mean £650 million a week more in pensions last parliament, or £1,000 a year for each worker. This is getting bigger and growing much faster than the economy, so we need to pick some combination of cuts, tax rises and immigrants. I agree with you about English - how can people integrate, learn or work without it? I'm getting the impression that if we decide to run the country like Oatcakistan then we might see lots more Nigerian doctors and Pakistani engineers. Are they allowed to bring their families over?
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Post by Northy on Jul 25, 2016 6:02:48 GMT
The BBC still trying to peddle fear this morning, interviewing the MD from plastic card services in Macclesfield, he said he voted out (so not your stereotypical thick northerner they try to portray) BBC also mentioning the pound is 1.21 against the euro, he said it was down as low as 1.12 a few years ago and they coped well with that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 7:18:10 GMT
I'm very concerned about the way May came away from talks with Merkel and Hollande Both leaders spitting fire before the talks, then very quiet and accommodating afterwards
Does that mean Teresa has sold us short?
Rumours of a temporary 7yr deal to curb immigration... still to pay a sizeable sum to the eu with no seat at the table or say on anything.
Shocking cop out if true
Brexit means brexit my arse
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2016 7:57:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 8:04:58 GMT
I hope there is trouble because that's not what we voted for "John Redwood, the arch-Eurosceptic former Tory leadership contender, said: ‘The UK did not recently vote for a slightly beefed up version of Mr Cameron’s attempted renegotiation with the EU." Too right john
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 25, 2016 10:19:26 GMT
I think the commision needs to differentiate between free movement within the EU and free access to all and sundry who turn up at the outside borders .
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 25, 2016 15:53:53 GMT
The pension thing I'll never understand. If we bring in a million now, what do we do when they & their kids all get older? Bring in two million? Then what happens when they & their kids get older? Bring in five/ten million? What happens when they're all old? Bring in twenty-five million immigrants to pay for pensions? It's the most stupid idea I've ever heard. That's not how the maths works though - the number of immigrants needed stays the same so long as fertility rates don't change. Anyway, more old people and things like the "triple lock" mean £650 million a week more in pensions last parliament, or £1,000 a year for each worker. This is getting bigger and growing much faster than the economy, so we need to pick some combination of cuts, tax rises and immigrants. I agree with you about English - how can people integrate, learn or work without it? I'm getting the impression that if we decide to run the country like Oatcakistan then we might see lots more Nigerian doctors and Pakistani engineers. Are they allowed to bring their families over? Am I just being really thick or does it still not add-up? If we need a million immigrants to pay our pensions now, then surely in a few years we'll need another million of them to pay them as more people get old... But we'll also have the first million immigrants to pay for aswell, and assuming they've all had 2-3 kids, we're looking at about 4 million people now needing pensions who've come from out of thin air. Doesn't that mean at this point we then need to import 5 million immigrants? Then of course they go on to have 2-3 kids & by just the third wave of 'much needed pension funding immigrants' we're upto 15 million of them being needed. As for your other paragraph, if the partner can speak English & has a skill set we need, sure. If not, no.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 26, 2016 21:12:49 GMT
Am I just being really thick or does it still not add-up? If we need a million immigrants to pay our pensions now, then surely in a few years we'll need another million of them to pay them as more people get old... But we'll also have the first million immigrants to pay for aswell, and assuming they've all had 2-3 kids, we're looking at about 4 million people now needing pensions who've come from out of thin air. Doesn't that mean at this point we then need to import 5 million immigrants? Then of course they go on to have 2-3 kids & by just the third wave of 'much needed pension funding immigrants' we're upto 15 million of them being needed. Nowt to do with being thick, I'd be very impressed by anyone who could do it in their head. Before working out my opinion I wrote a program to check the answer because I'm a massive fucking nerd. The number of workers needed to pay pensions goes up if you have fewer young'uns starting jobs or if people live longer but the pension age doesn't go up. We had both and the government dithered - in 30 years when retirement is finally linked to life expectancy each worker needs to find £5,600 MORE in today's money to cover pensions (given low immigration). More if there's another "triple lock" or similar. Let's say everyone works 50 years then retires for 20. If you have a baby for every person that dies the population is stable and you always have (50/20) = 2.25 workers for every pensioner. If you have fewer babies though, then 18 years later you have fewer new workers but the same number of pensioners: each worker pays more. You can replace the missing workers with immigrants. Immigrant kids replace the next gen of missing missing homegrown ones (meaning fewer immigrants needed in future, plus most of those kids will be british anyway), and by the time they retire they new generation covers them. We're currently about 5% short on babies, which means we'd need a constant flow of immigrants if we want to stabilise things. If people have more babies in future then we'd need fewer immigrants, the opposite if people have fewer. Or we can have fewer immigrants and make the millennials and their kids pay massive amounts of extra tax. Man I suck at explaining this shit! As for your other paragraph, if the partner can speak English & has a skill set we need, sure. If not, no. Fair enough, gonna make it harder to attract doctors and scientists if we only allow those married to engineers and nurses to bring their partners. And what about their kids?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 28, 2016 19:15:01 GMT
Am I just being really thick or does it still not add-up? If we need a million immigrants to pay our pensions now, then surely in a few years we'll need another million of them to pay them as more people get old... But we'll also have the first million immigrants to pay for aswell, and assuming they've all had 2-3 kids, we're looking at about 4 million people now needing pensions who've come from out of thin air. Doesn't that mean at this point we then need to import 5 million immigrants? Then of course they go on to have 2-3 kids & by just the third wave of 'much needed pension funding immigrants' we're upto 15 million of them being needed. Nowt to do with being thick, I'd be very impressed by anyone who could do it in their head. Before working out my opinion I wrote a program to check the answer because I'm a massive fucking nerd. The number of workers needed to pay pensions goes up if you have fewer young'uns starting jobs or if people live longer but the pension age doesn't go up. We had both and the government dithered - in 30 years when retirement is finally linked to life expectancy each worker needs to find £5,600 MORE in today's money to cover pensions (given low immigration). More if there's another "triple lock" or similar. Let's say everyone works 50 years then retires for 20. If you have a baby for every person that dies the population is stable and you always have (50/20) = 2.25 workers for every pensioner. If you have fewer babies though, then 18 years later you have fewer new workers but the same number of pensioners: each worker pays more. You can replace the missing workers with immigrants. Immigrant kids replace the next gen of missing missing homegrown ones (meaning fewer immigrants needed in future, plus most of those kids will be british anyway), and by the time they retire they new generation covers them. We're currently about 5% short on babies, which means we'd need a constant flow of immigrants if we want to stabilise things. If people have more babies in future then we'd need fewer immigrants, the opposite if people have fewer. Or we can have fewer immigrants and make the millennials and their kids pay massive amounts of extra tax. Man I suck at explaining this shit! As for your other paragraph, if the partner can speak English & has a skill set we need, sure. If not, no. Fair enough, gonna make it harder to attract doctors and scientists if we only allow those married to engineers and nurses to bring their partners. And what about their kids? What rules and regulations concerning partners or children affect you working in the States? EDIT: Serious question mate. I'm sure there must be rules. I know of someone heading to the States at the end of the year and his wife was also offered a job but they have a young family so she declined. She will have to leave and return the US every 6 months because of the visa rules on her being a spouse of someone with a working visa, but that's fine because she can visit extended family and friends back in the UK. A friend of mine is working in Dubai with an option to bring over his family. Accommodation, orientation workshops, assistance with visa paperwork and school places. It's all good until his contract ends and then he and his family have to move on (or get another contract with another firm) which is fine as many ex-pats use a Dubai placement as a career stepping stone or a few years of a tax free cash cow. Proposing rules and regulations regarding rights to work and how immediate family can access the host country are nothing new or sinister.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 28, 2016 21:07:11 GMT
Free movement and access to the single movement.
These are talked about as though it's some universal law.
Instead, it's more made-up bullshit.
How about, I cannot be ruled by an unelected EU unless all of the unpaid corporate tax should be directly paid to me with immediate effect?
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 29, 2016 5:19:50 GMT
But, but, but....the FTSE100 has risen? That proves it was all scare tactics according to most. UK exposed stocks are getting hammered. The pound is close to it's lowest ever levels. Pension funds are getting decimated. Multiple property funds are suspending withdrawals. You can add plans to pay off our national debt abandoned to that list. The brexit boys clinging to the FTSE 100 like a life raft sound like the man in hospital who on being told his legs have been amputated is then reassured with the good news that his slippers fit the man in the next bed. It's a fuck up, we know that much, what can be done about I have no idea and I suspect nor does anyone else. Boris and Farrage are both off in a cloud of cats piss. At least Gove has had the decency to stick about I suppose but he was a stand up comic in an earlier life. Footsie 250 which is where most British firms sit back to pre referendum levels
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 6:23:58 GMT
How are all these countries in the EU doing? I'm happy out thanks
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 29, 2016 7:18:14 GMT
"GlaxoSmithKline is to invest £275m to expand its UK manufacturing sites, saying the country remains "an attractive location" despite Brexit." Their chief executive Sir Andrew Witty was a very vociferous 'remainer' who warned of Armageddon if we voted leave!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 7:50:56 GMT
"GlaxoSmithKline is to invest £275m to expand its UK manufacturing sites, saying the country remains "an attractive location" despite Brexit." Their chief executive Sir Andrew Witty was a very vociferous 'remainer' who warned of Armageddon if we voted leave!!! I remember that too. notice Lloyds were trying to blame their job losses and closures on brexit when it's been happening since 2013/14.....the truth is apparently down to the rise in popularity of online demand
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 29, 2016 10:31:12 GMT
"GlaxoSmithKline is to invest £275m to expand its UK manufacturing sites, saying the country remains "an attractive location" despite Brexit." Their chief executive Sir Andrew Witty was a very vociferous 'remainer' who warned of Armageddon if we voted leave!!! I remember that too. notice Lloyds were trying to blame their job losses and closures on brexit when it's been happening since 2013/14.....the truth is apparently down to the rise in popularity of online demand Just another example of companies who hammer their workforce because of piss poor management , wonder how it will affect the boards remuneration packages this year ?
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