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Post by ukcstokie on May 18, 2016 15:16:13 GMT
With Cameron on the way out
Boris?
Osbourne?
Theresa May?
Boris plays(?) to much of an idiot for me.
Osbourne has as much widespread appear as a shit on a stick.
Could May really challenge?
Some of it will be determined by the referendum.
Could Ruth Davidson be manoeuvred into a position where she could challenge? Would she be the candidate that would appeal to the common vote? Not privileged, openly gay, state educated, always comes across very well.
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Post by salopstick on May 18, 2016 15:25:37 GMT
Boris
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 15:39:54 GMT
Someone new will rise from the ashes by then
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Post by harryburrows on May 18, 2016 15:50:51 GMT
Someone new will rise from the ashes by then Maggie making a comeback ? |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 15:54:19 GMT
Someone new will rise from the ashes by then Maggie making a comeback ?  Fucking hell Harry, could you imagine it in this PC, rainbow warrior day and age |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 18, 2016 16:38:41 GMT
 Interesting to see how the Respublica 'Red Tory' fringe develops. Cameron and other Bullingdon boys were keen at one stage, pre-power. A bit too radical to take into Government. I havn't watched the twists and turns of Phil Blond and Respublica too closely recently {Wiki hints at some strife after the General Election}. Seems like they've re-grouped and no doubt will be lobbying hard in the run up to the European Referendum. |
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Post by Beertricks Potter on May 18, 2016 16:40:55 GMT
I like Boris, even though he's a bit of a bumbler he is very intelligent. Though is he the right stuff for dealing on the world Stage? Gove may be my choice. For me to carry on voting Tory (yes, I know. Boo, Hiss) it would have to be eurosceptic if the EU vote is stay. Otherwise I'll be changing to UKIP.
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Post by harryburrows on May 18, 2016 16:56:02 GMT
Maggie making a comeback ? Fucking hell Harry, could you imagine it in this PC, rainbow warrior day and age Mate she would sort out this lot in Brussels |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 16:58:19 GMT
Fucking hell Harry, could you imagine it in this PC, rainbow warrior day and age Mate she would sort out this lot in Brussels Not sure she would Harry. They have Too much power now. She'd make mince meat out of that thumb sucking u-turning twat Cameron tho |
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 18, 2016 18:53:47 GMT
Would very seriously consider voting UKIP if we vote to remain in this shit. We would be guaranteed a ticket out if UKIP were voted in power and imo would be a small price to pay for a few years of Nige in charge. It isn't beyond the realms of possibilty because with 5 million voters at the last general election plus many Tory and labour voters switching, UKIP would be in a much stronger position than last year.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 18, 2016 23:31:18 GMT
I like Boris, even though he's a bit of a bumbler he is very intelligent. Though is he the right stuff for dealing on the world Stage? Gove may be my choice. For me to carry on voting Tory (yes, I know. Boo, Hiss) it would have to be eurosceptic if the EU vote is stay. Otherwise I'll be changing to UKIP. Once we've evacuated out of Europe I'm looking forward to seeing Boris as the figurehead of the new Whig Party. Not in Government. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 6:31:37 GMT
Would very seriously consider voting UKIP if we vote to remain in this shit. We would be guaranteed a ticket out if UKIP were voted in power and imo would be a small price to pay for a few years of Nige in charge. It isn't beyond the realms of possibilty because with 5 million voters at the last general election plus many Tory and labour voters switching, UKIP would be in a much stronger position than last year. Would we get a second go at a referendum? I hear If it's a stay vote this time, Brussels are ready to move fast legislation and speed up the United States of Europe plan |
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 19, 2016 7:07:21 GMT
Would very seriously consider voting UKIP if we vote to remain in this shit. We would be guaranteed a ticket out if UKIP were voted in power and imo would be a small price to pay for a few years of Nige in charge. It isn't beyond the realms of possibilty because with 5 million voters at the last general election plus many Tory and labour voters switching, UKIP would be in a much stronger position than last year. Would we get a second go at a referendum? I hear If it's a stay vote this time, Brussels are ready to move fast legislation and speed up the United States of Europe plan Would another referendum be necessary though?. UKIP's pledge and main manefesto policy is to take us out of EU. A vote for them means a vote to leave the EU. As I said 5 years of UKIP would be a small price to pay for Brexit. Perhaps we would see a defection of Pro Brexit MPs from both Labour and Tory parties to bolster the UKIP ranks. Interesting times ahead either way and, IMO, a vote to stay will see complete political turmoil. |
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Post by ukcstokie on May 19, 2016 7:47:05 GMT
Would we get a second go at a referendum? I hear If it's a stay vote this time, Brussels are ready to move fast legislation and speed up the United States of Europe plan Would another referendum be necessary though?. UKIP's pledge and main manefesto policy is to take us out of EU. A vote for them means a vote to leave the EU. As I said 5 years of UKIP would be a small price to pay for Brexit. Perhaps we would see a defection of Pro Brexit MPs from both Labour and Tory parties to bolster the UKIP ranks. Interesting times ahead either way and, IMO, a vote to stay will see complete political turmoil. Unless UKIP actually got 50%+ of the total vote I'd say they'd still need to hold a further referendum. In reality, it's really hard to envisage how UKIP could win an election under the present electoral system - their vote isn't focused on small areas it's spread across the country. It's more likely that they would form a coalition where the price for their support would be another referendum but this time without the full weight of the government machine on one side. |
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Post by starkiller on May 19, 2016 7:58:23 GMT
Would very seriously consider voting UKIP if we vote to remain in this shit. We would be guaranteed a ticket out if UKIP were voted in power and imo would be a small price to pay for a few years of Nige in charge. It isn't beyond the realms of possibilty because with 5 million voters at the last general election plus many Tory and labour voters switching, UKIP would be in a much stronger position than last year. Would we get a second go at a referendum? I hear If it's a stay vote this time, Brussels are ready to move fast legislation and speed up the United States of Europe plan All plans will be speeded up, including a European Army, which will eventually be on the streets not to protect us but to keep us under control. Remainers have no idea what this monster is set to become. |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on May 19, 2016 8:10:06 GMT
I like Boris, even though he's a bit of a bumbler he is very intelligent. Though is he the right stuff for dealing on the world Stage? Gove may be my choice. For me to carry on voting Tory (yes, I know. Boo, Hiss) it would have to be eurosceptic if the EU vote is stay. Otherwise I'll be changing to UKIP.  |
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Post by starkiller on May 19, 2016 9:33:12 GMT
Is anyone happy with this system?
Not just for EU reasons but this country needs a good shake up and brexit is a good place to start it.
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Post by GlennA on May 19, 2016 10:14:24 GMT
It doesn't matter who the leader of the Conservative party is, because the Conservative party exists to protect the interests of a class and that's what it will do whether it's frontman is Cameron, Johnson or Mr Spoon.
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Post by redstriper on May 19, 2016 12:55:22 GMT
David Davies (the senior one) please. Or else i'm voting Ukip next time.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 12:56:54 GMT
It doesn't matter who the leader of the Conservative party is, because the Conservative party exists to protect the interests of a class and that's what it will do whether it's frontman is Cameron, Johnson or Mr Spoon. I can well understand the reasons for that...... So, with that in mind, ....who do you reckon new labour protect? because it certainly wasn't the working man in my opinion. |
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Post by bathstoke on May 19, 2016 13:40:22 GMT
It doesn't matter who the leader of the Conservative party is, because the Conservative party exists to protect the interests of a class and that's what it will do whether it's frontman is Cameron, Johnson or Mr Spoon. The only good Tory is a... |
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Post by GlennA on May 19, 2016 14:25:12 GMT
It doesn't matter who the leader of the Conservative party is, because the Conservative party exists to protect the interests of a class and that's what it will do whether it's frontman is Cameron, Johnson or Mr Spoon. I can well understand the reasons for that...... So, with that in mind, ....who do you reckon new labour protect? because it certainly wasn't the working man in my opinion. The Labour Party ('new' or otherwise) exists to represent the labour force within the wider political process. At various times it is truer to that principle than others, but historically it has achieved an awful lot more for ordinary working people than the Conservative party ever has or would. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 14:54:41 GMT
I can well understand the reasons for that...... So, with that in mind, ....who do you reckon new labour protect? because it certainly wasn't the working man in my opinion. The Labour Party ('new' or otherwise) exists to represent the labour force within the wider political process. At various times it is truer to that principle than others, but historically it has achieved an awful lot more for ordinary working people than the Conservative party ever has or would. That's what it says on the tin yeh they reprisent the the same thing the tories do.......big business, Brussels and themselves |
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Post by GlennA on May 19, 2016 15:10:09 GMT
I share your cynicism up to a point. There are more people in the Labour Party with the interests of working people at heart than there are in the Conservative party though. The extent to which that is reflected in policy has always varied.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 16:02:35 GMT
I share your cynicism up to a point. There are more people in the Labour Party with the interests of working people at heart than there are in the Conservative party though. The extent to which that is reflected in policy has always varied. I wouldn't argue with that mate. Pity they are not conviction politicians and wear it on their sleeves rather than keeping it tucked away in their hearts and towing the Westminster line. As me oewd father used to say.... thee're Nayther yeows ner ornament  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 19, 2016 17:20:48 GMT
I share your cynicism up to a point. There are more people in the Labour Party with the interests of working people at heart than there are in the Conservative party though. The extent to which that is reflected in policy has always varied. Glenn In my opinion you make some excellent points. The Labour party is always going to represent the working class more than the Tories , and historically theyhave achieved a tremendous lot in the struggle against the odds. They seem to have list their way through focusing on " minority issyes" ( which are important ) instead of listening znd trying to represent the concerns of the working class, which might not be the same as the leaders of the party think that they should be . Labour needs to be a mass movement and to remember that their only strength is through unity |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 2:00:39 GMT
I like Boris, even though he's a bit of a bumbler he is very intelligent. Though is he the right stuff for dealing on the world Stage? Gove may be my choice. For me to carry on voting Tory (yes, I know. Boo, Hiss) it would have to be eurosceptic if the EU vote is stay. Otherwise I'll be changing to UKIP. 100% agree on everything you said, esp about Boris on the world stage, he just comes across as something of a buffoon.. I think we have a similar situation to when Maggie left, no obvious successor, and although Major did win an election ( just ) he was not big enough to fill the huge boots left behind. Sadly I am a bit out of touch with UK politics these days, but of the ones mentioned Teressa May just gets my vote... |
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Post by trentvale68 on May 23, 2016 15:24:45 GMT
Only one man for this job..none of this centre right nonsense
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Post by Okie Stokie. on May 23, 2016 15:40:16 GMT
It's such a frighting thought, I just don't like thinking about it. 
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2016 15:43:58 GMT
I share your cynicism up to a point. There are more people in the Labour Party with the interests of working people at heart than there are in the Conservative party though. The extent to which that is reflected in policy has always varied. Glenn In my opinion you make some excellent points. The Labour party is always going to represent the working class more than the Tories , and historically theyhave achieved a tremendous lot in the struggle against the odds. They seem to have list their way through focusing on " minority issyes" ( which are important ) instead of listening znd trying to represent the concerns of the working class, which might not be the same as the leaders of the party think that they should be . Labour needs to be a mass movement and to remember that their only strength is through unity The membership seems pretty unified, Big John. www.totalpolitics.com/articles/news/setback-labour-plotters-poll-suggests-jeremy-corbyn-cant-be-ousted |
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Fucking hell Harry, could you imagine it in this PC, rainbow warrior day and age
