|
Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 8, 2016 8:47:04 GMT
I just don't get the clamour for this fella. He has undoubted talent but he does not show it anywhere near enough. He has proven both at Wedt Ham and at Stoke he is very injury prone and his lack of desire to track back cost both teams goals. Same at Liverpool as well
Another really promising ex Wigan player who moved to a bigger club and fails to deliver anywhere near the promise
|
|
|
Post by foster on Jun 8, 2016 8:49:08 GMT
Chelsea aren't really going to get anything for him are they? I don't see any clubs really wanting him and Chelsea will want rid now that they'll be revamping their squad. Maybe we just loan him again. When we loaned him out we allegedly paid 2m for the privledge. They'll keep him unless a decent enough offer comes in. Fair enough. I don't really care either way. Just saying that if we can strike a deal that suits us (cheap / short term) then we could do a lot worse than get him as cover.
|
|
|
Post by spitthedog on Jun 8, 2016 10:00:41 GMT
Moses represents the way that major clubs are allowed to operate. They are like mortgage companies.
Buy in players, long contracts, loan them out drawing major 'loan' fees. We paid £2m as well as his wages, you can bet WHU paid at least that, and now someone else will too. They don't need to sell him.
You cant blame him for signing long contract with Chelsea. A player is only good for so long and you take the long contracts when you can get them especially if they are a major company.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 10:02:21 GMT
I just don't get the clamour for this fella. He has undoubted talent but he does not show it anywhere near enough. He has proven both at Wedt Ham and at Stoke he is very injury prone and his lack of desire to track back cost both teams goals. Same at Liverpool as well Another really promising ex Wigan player who moved to a bigger club and fails to deliver anywhere near the promise Tracking back, sure, he wasn't great. But attack wise he was the best winger and attacker we'd had in a long, long time.
|
|
|
Post by spitthedog on Jun 8, 2016 10:04:32 GMT
I just don't get the clamour for this fella. He has undoubted talent but he does not show it anywhere near enough. He has proven both at Wedt Ham and at Stoke he is very injury prone and his lack of desire to track back cost both teams goals. Same at Liverpool as well Another really promising ex Wigan player who moved to a bigger club and fails to deliver anywhere near the promise Tracking back, sure, he wasn't great. But attack wise he was the best winger and attacker we'd had in a long, long time. I agree, when he was on it, he was really on it. His speed seems to make him prone to injuries otherwise he could be a great player.
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 8, 2016 10:05:37 GMT
I just don't get the clamour for this fella. He has undoubted talent but he does not show it anywhere near enough. He has proven both at Wedt Ham and at Stoke he is very injury prone and his lack of desire to track back cost both teams goals. Same at Liverpool as well Another really promising ex Wigan player who moved to a bigger club and fails to deliver anywhere near the promise If you've got the season review from 2014-15 and a few spare minutes watch the first half of the season, you'll understand.
|
|
|
Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 8, 2016 10:06:50 GMT
I just don't get the clamour for this fella. He has undoubted talent but he does not show it anywhere near enough. He has proven both at Wedt Ham and at Stoke he is very injury prone and his lack of desire to track back cost both teams goals. Same at Liverpool as well Another really promising ex Wigan player who moved to a bigger club and fails to deliver anywhere near the promi se Tracking back, sure, he wasn't great. But attack wise he was the best winger and attacker we'd had in a long, long time. But too injury prone. Personally, until his injury I thought Matty was the best I had seen in a long while
|
|
|
Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 8, 2016 10:08:00 GMT
I just don't get the clamour for this fella. He has undoubted talent but he does not show it anywhere near enough. He has proven both at Wedt Ham and at Stoke he is very injury prone and his lack of desire to track back cost both teams goals. Same at Liverpool as well Another really promising ex Wigan player who moved to a bigger club and fails to deliver anywhere near the promise If you've got the season review from 2014-15 and a few spare minutes watch the first half of the season, you'll understand. I have said he is a talent but he is too injury prone and has proven it in his last three seasons. Amongst a team of seemingly injury prone players we should sign another one??
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 8, 2016 10:13:27 GMT
If you've got the season review from 2014-15 and a few spare minutes watch the first half of the season, you'll understand. I have said he is a talent but he is too injury prone and has proven it in his last three seasons. Amongst a team of seemingly injury prone players we should sign another one?? And all I'm saying is, players who show their ability and prove to be very good will always have people in a "clamour".. Didn't say I agree with it, but I understand the reasons behind it. In the same vein, you'll always get a manager with the 'what if' mentality of "What it I can be the one to get him fit and firing?"
|
|
|
Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 8, 2016 10:18:02 GMT
I have said he is a talent but he is too injury prone and has proven it in his last three seasons. Amongst a team of seemingly injury prone players we should sign another one?? And all I'm saying is, players who show their ability and prove to be very good will always have people in a "clamour".. Didn't say I agree with it, but I understand the reasons behind it. In the same vein, you'll always get a manager with the 'what if' mentality of "What it I can be the one to get him fit and firing?" I agree - just hope Sparky does not fall down that rabbit hole again given our long injury list over the last two seasons
|
|
|
Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 8, 2016 10:28:09 GMT
It's not the injury proness that worries me it's more his attitude to playing for Stoke.
Every time he got injured he was back in London in a flash to recover there.
He did perform on the pitch but he clearly didn't enjoy playing up noorf.
I get a bit the same feeling from shaqiri at times he looks like he doesn't wanna be here. It wrecks dressing room harmony when you have a few players like that
|
|
|
Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 8, 2016 10:36:07 GMT
It's not the injury proness that worries me it's more his attitude to playing for Stoke. Every time he got injured he was back in London in a flash to recover there. He did perform on the pitch but he clearly didn't enjoy playing up noorf. I get a bit the same feeling from shaqiri at times he looks like he doesn't wanna be here. It wrecks dressing room harmony when you have a few players like that That's standard practice for injured loanees Matt. You do have to wonder a bit about the hunger of a player happy to spend his career on loan though.
|
|
|
Post by timbo1988 on Jun 8, 2016 10:42:52 GMT
Moses was quality for us. He kept Arnie out of the side when both were fit in the 2014-15 season. Why is there so much hate for him? He was injured, did his rehab with Chelsea (probably their choice not Stoke's or Moses') then returned to Stoke when fit. Where is the issue?
He lived in London and travelled up - Why hold this against him? Crouch does the same but no one criticises him for it or says his heart isn't in it.
If we could sign him again then I wouldn't hesitate. He was quality in his loan spell for us.
|
|
|
Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2016 11:09:31 GMT
I'd take him back.... ....on loan I think the 'attitude' issue is an imagination However the injries are not so a perm deal would be a risk (unless pay as you pay e.t.c.).
|
|
|
Post by hooftastic on Jun 8, 2016 12:22:09 GMT
I think he now falls into the same 'never leaving London' category as Jason Puncheon.
I'm pretty sure I read that about his reason for choosing WHU over us.
|
|
|
Post by biglad180 on Jun 8, 2016 12:27:23 GMT
leave well alone ingury prone and did not want to join last season we don't need him taking money for nothing leave him in london
|
|
|
Post by robwahlmann on Jun 8, 2016 14:58:15 GMT
A bid in the region of £4M maybe?
|
|
|
Post by harryburrows on Jun 8, 2016 15:20:58 GMT
We should open up a training ground in London , they only play at the Brit once a fortnight anyway
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Jun 8, 2016 16:40:20 GMT
If Arnie goes, Moses would be an interesting replacement. He clearly has the talent but there are big question marks over his fitness.
Would Grealish cover for the left and right flanks?
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Jun 8, 2016 16:59:48 GMT
I love how Marko gets slaughtered for his attitude yet people are gagging for Moses to come here.
Oatcake logic.
|
|
|
Post by kustokie on Jun 8, 2016 17:25:59 GMT
Why does this Moses thing keep raising its ugly head. He has stated and demonstrated that he has no interest in moving north of Watford. He's not an option. Get over it and move on. Anyway, he's too injury prone for my liking.
|
|
|
Post by robwahlmann on Jun 8, 2016 17:38:15 GMT
Why does this Moses thing keep raising its ugly head. He has stated and demonstrated that he has no interest in moving north of Watford. He's not an option. Get over it and move on. Anyway, he's too injury prone for my liking. He certainly is injury prone as you say, but he had a really good spell with us. He even kept Marko out of the team and he certainly adds something with his pace and directness. If we could get him on the cheap (around £4M) he would be a very decent cover for anybody we bring in, and with 3 natural wingers we could rotate more among them and hopefully prevent Victor from being injured so often. Would really love to see him back here, and would he have a better option than us anywhere else? Maybe he would realise this and decide to sign for us.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 18:17:26 GMT
Moses was quality for us. He kept Arnie out of the side when both were fit in the 2014-15 season. Why is there so much hate for him? He was injured, did his rehab with Chelsea (probably their choice not Stoke's or Moses') then returned to Stoke when fit. Where is the issue? He lived in London and travelled up - Why hold this against him? Crouch does the same but no one criticises him for it or says his heart isn't in it. If we could sign him again then I wouldn't hesitate. He was quality in his loan spell for us. Good points but we want players who want to play for us, he kept saying he is a Chelsea player every time he was asked about actually signing for us permanently.
|
|
|
Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2016 22:19:19 GMT
If Arnie goes, Moses would be an interesting replacement. He clearly has the talent but there are big question marks over his fitness. Would Grealish cover for the left and right flanks? He would be used like Afellay,occasional winger,number ten but more of a number 8. Unlike Afellay however Grealish appears to be a wazzock. He could grow up of course,people do.
|
|
|
Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2016 22:22:45 GMT
Moses was quality for us. He kept Arnie out of the side when both were fit in the 2014-15 season. Why is there so much hate for him? He was injured, did his rehab with Chelsea (probably their choice not Stoke's or Moses') then returned to Stoke when fit. Where is the issue? He lived in London and travelled up - Why hold this against him? Crouch does the same but no one criticises him for it or says his heart isn't in it. If we could sign him again then I wouldn't hesitate. He was quality in his loan spell for us. Good points but we want players who want to play for us, he kept saying he is a Chelsea player every time he was asked about actually signing for us permanently. That's because it could be deemed as seeking a transfer which would cost him a loyalty bonus should a transfer be realised. Very rare for a player to ask for transfer for that reason.
|
|
|
Post by spitthedog on Jun 8, 2016 22:28:25 GMT
leave well alone ingury prone and did not want to join last season we don't need him taking money for nothing leave him in london How do you say all that in one breath?
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 8, 2016 22:34:00 GMT
He's running out of options now
1) Injury prone 2) No club wants him permantly 3) won't get games at Chelsea
So he either joins a mid / lower London club like Watford or maybe Palace. Sits tight with maybe a handful of games a season or moves north or further South and gets games. Due to his injury record I wouldn't pay Any more than 4m for him but at the right price he's a good fit for us. I don't think he can afford to be picky if he wants games.
|
|
|
Post by kustokie on Jun 9, 2016 0:56:43 GMT
He's running out of options now 1) Injury prone 2) No club wants him permantly 3) won't get games at Chelsea So he either joins a mid / lower London club like Watford or maybe Palace. Sits tight with maybe a handful of games a season or moves north or further South and gets games. Due to his injury record I wouldn't pay Any more than 4m for him but at the right price he's a good fit for us. I don't think he can afford to be picky if he wants games. To me the money is less important than the fact we would be using up a place in the squad with a players that's going to unavailable half the time because of injury.
|
|
|
Post by jarvinski on Jun 9, 2016 7:51:21 GMT
Go get him Mark
|
|
|
Post by lagwafis on Jun 9, 2016 10:36:48 GMT
|
|