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Post by superheroantonius on May 12, 2016 15:03:24 GMT
I'm honestly gutted, he was properly shit That's true But it's also true Everton have scored 56 conceded 55 Goal Difference 1 And Stoke have scored 39 conceded 54 Goal Difference -15 So what does that make Sparky ? A smarter manager or one who had an in form goalie making crucial saves in low scoring matches ?
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Post by theginsoakedboy on May 12, 2016 15:15:22 GMT
Rafa Benitez next in?
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Post by datguy on May 12, 2016 15:16:03 GMT
Interesting as Frank de Boer left Ajax today. Off to Everton?
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 12, 2016 15:27:37 GMT
I'm honestly gutted, he was properly shit That's true But it's also true Everton have scored 56 conceded 55 Goal Difference 1 And Stoke have scored 39 conceded 54 Goal Difference -15 So what does that make Sparky ? A smarter manager or one who had an in form goalie making crucial saves in low scoring matches ? Sparky doesn't have a spine of the team rated at £40m each.
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Post by reddipotter on May 12, 2016 15:41:32 GMT
That's true But it's also true Everton have scored 56 conceded 55 Goal Difference 1 And Stoke have scored 39 conceded 54 Goal Difference -15 So what does that make Sparky ? A smarter manager or one who had an in form goalie making crucial saves in low scoring matches ? Sparky doesn't have a spine of the team rated at £40m each. Maybe not £40m, but he has quite a few players that he's bought who are significantly underachieving.
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Post by harryburrows on May 12, 2016 16:06:07 GMT
Coleman . Jagielka .stones. Baines . He's managed to turn 4 very good international class defenders into complete and utter failures .,
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 12, 2016 16:12:06 GMT
That's true But it's also true Everton have scored 56 conceded 55 Goal Difference 1 And Stoke have scored 39 conceded 54 Goal Difference -15 So what does that make Sparky ? A smarter manager or one who had an in form goalie making crucial saves in low scoring matches ? Sparky doesn't have a spine of the team rated at £40m each. Outside of a brainwashed media, still trying to con the public, is Stones worth anything more than £10M to anyone remotely sane? It would be someone with a defensive naivety rarely seen in managerial circles for someone to ask their chairman to stump up £40M for him. The only hope is if Martinez gets the Real Madrid job.
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Post by Davef on May 12, 2016 16:14:59 GMT
I'm honestly gutted, he was properly shit So what does that make Sparky ? Still in a job!
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Post by no1972 on May 12, 2016 16:19:41 GMT
First year he took over a side that was solid and hard to beat,second year he expanded there game ,and had a forward who scored goals,third season forgot how to defend ,home form was shocking away form not bad. Any pattern with us.
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Post by thepirehillpoet on May 12, 2016 16:22:22 GMT
Bullet dodged.
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Post by Davef on May 12, 2016 16:23:19 GMT
First year he took over a side that was solid and hard to beat,second year he expanded there game ,and had a forward who scored goals,third season forgot how to defend ,home form was shocking away form not bad. Any pattern with us. Hughes didn't take over a side that was solid and hard to beat.
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Post by no1972 on May 12, 2016 16:30:31 GMT
First year he took over a side that was solid and hard to beat,second year he expanded there game ,and had a forward who scored goals,third season forgot how to defend ,home form was shocking away form not bad. Any pattern with us. Hughes didn't take over a side that was solid and hard to beat. Harder than the last 2 months,even if you lose you don't have to rollover.This Stoke side has no backbone,if we go a goal behind on Sunday let's see how much fight they put in.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 12, 2016 16:33:59 GMT
First year he took over a side that was solid and hard to beat,second year he expanded there game ,and had a forward who scored goals,third season forgot how to defend ,home form was shocking away form not bad. Any pattern with us. So hard to beat they won three times after Boxing Day.
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Post by harryburrows on May 12, 2016 16:40:07 GMT
First year he took over a side that was solid and hard to beat,second year he expanded there game ,and had a forward who scored goals,third season forgot how to defend ,home form was shocking away form not bad. Any pattern with us. Hughes didn't take over a side that was solid and hard to beat. IT was by comparison to our recent form
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Post by salopstick on May 12, 2016 18:11:14 GMT
A complete fraud
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Post by LDE76 on May 12, 2016 18:15:20 GMT
If I didn't know better, I'd think some people were earning commission on the amount of bollocks they post regarding Stoke City.
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Post by geoff321 on May 12, 2016 18:25:10 GMT
He had a brilliant first season with Everton and of course he's won the F.A.Cup and got Swansea promoted, suspect another PL Club wuill take him on fairly quickly.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 12, 2016 18:27:21 GMT
Truly awful kamikaze manager, I hope he finds his level in League One.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 12, 2016 18:30:30 GMT
He had a brilliant first season with Everton and of course he's won the F.A.Cup and got Swansea promoted, suspect another PL Club wuill take him on fairly quickly. He's managed two Premier League clubs and taken them both backwards.
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Post by robstokie on May 12, 2016 18:30:46 GMT
To be honest, the writing has been on the wall for a while. Everton play some of the best football in the league, but cannot defend to save their lives. As for Martinez, its no surprise he flopped, he basically flopped at Wigan (they never finished higher than about 16th under him even though they were 11th the season before he got there) and only got the Everton job on the back of a flukey FA Cup win (they played pretty much all lower league sides in their cup run, and an awful Man City who didn't look interested on the day) and the fact they played 'expansive football' (read pretty on the eye and defensively naïve) despite leading them to the drop the same season.
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Post by geoff321 on May 12, 2016 18:41:12 GMT
He has a better win ratio with Everton rob than Moyes and I would have given him another season, and what would Stoke City supporters have thought of him had he won the F.A.Cup with us?
The tendency to turn on the manager in the modern game is sad to see, he's been at Everton for three years , Ferguson achieved nothing at United for around 4/5 years but they stuck with him and the rest is history.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 12, 2016 18:47:37 GMT
He has a better win ratio with Everton rob than Moyes and I would have given him another season, and what would Stoke City supporters have thought of him had he won the F.A.Cup with us? The tendency to turn on the manager in the modern game is sad to see, he's been at Everton for three years , Ferguson achieved nothing at United for around 4/5 years but they stuck with him and the rest is history. If he's got us relegated from what, 11th in the league I think he'd be filed under 'divisive'. Geoff. Win ratios can be misleading; Moyes took Everton from relegation contenders to European regulars and Champions League qualifiers. Giving a manager time isn't always the right move. Ask Newcastle.
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Post by no1972 on May 12, 2016 18:55:03 GMT
First year he took over a side that was solid and hard to beat,second year he expanded there game ,and had a forward who scored goals,third season forgot how to defend ,home form was shocking away form not bad. Any pattern with us. So hard to beat they won three times after Boxing Day. I was not on about the amount of games we lost I am on about the manner we are losing them.It just seems they don't care as long as they pick there money up and for MH to blame the ref for Saturday's performance was a response from a manager who's lost the plot at this moment in time,hope he's on the beach so when the new season is on us he is refreshed and up for it.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 12, 2016 18:57:47 GMT
So hard to beat they won three times after Boxing Day. I was not on about the amount of games we lost I am on about the manner we are losing them.It just seems they don't care as long as they pick there money up and for MH to blame the ref for Saturday's performance was a response from a manager who's lost the plot at this moment in time,hope he's on the beach so when the new season is on us he is refreshed and up for it. The manner we lost them then wasn't any better. Things aren't great now and we have some problems but again, let's not rewrite history.
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Post by geoff321 on May 12, 2016 19:10:11 GMT
The fact is rob that Moyes record in his first four years ar Everton was inconsistent, i.e 7th/17th/4th/11th.
Martinez in his first three years has been inconsistent, i.e. 5th/12th/ and possibly 11th, 11th and a F.A.Cup semi final is hardly failure and did they also do well in the League Cup?
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 12, 2016 19:12:37 GMT
The fact is rob that Moyes record in his first four years ar Everton was inconsistent, i.e 7th/17th/4th/11th. Martinez in his first three years has been inconsistent, i.e. 5th/12th/ and possibly 11th, 11th and a F.A.Cup semi final is hardly failure and did they also do well in the League Cup? Moyes took a team that had been relegation candidates and had Carsley, Kilbane and Marcus Bent in it into the Champions League places. Martinez took a team with a £40m rated centre half, a £40m rated midfielder and a £40m rated striker, amongst other talents,to the bottom half of the table.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 12, 2016 19:16:39 GMT
It doesn’t matter if you examine the minutiae of Martinez’s record and make a valid case for it being harsh. The fans had long since turned and when that happens, chairmen act. When the minority turns to a majority in the way Everton’s have, and with the vitriol they have, boards have no choice.
It’s one of the few whip hands supporters still possess.
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Post by harryburrows on May 12, 2016 19:19:28 GMT
Everton now have a major inverter who will want to see a bigger bang for his bucks
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Post by geoff321 on May 12, 2016 19:28:22 GMT
Of course momo you are correct, I'm simply responding though to some of the comments on this board which seek to portray Martinez as a management failure who shouldn't be employed by sensible Chairman, do those sort of comments ring a bell?
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Post by crapslinger on May 12, 2016 19:47:08 GMT
So hard to beat they won three times after Boxing Day. I was not on about the amount of games we lost I am on about the manner we are losing them.It just seems they don't care as long as they pick there money up and for MH to blame the ref for Saturday's performance was a response from a manager who's lost the plot at this moment in time,hope he's on the beach so when the new season is on us he is refreshed and up for it. That response on Saturday from Hughes was pathetic to be honest, he has started to give me the impression that he does not have a clue what is going wrong.
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