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Post by chiefdelilah on May 4, 2016 11:59:58 GMT
Are we sure money's even the issue? I'd be amazed if it was the only one.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 12:37:24 GMT
The argument re: wage structure is a valid one. But Marko is different, in that (example) PSG could come knocking tomorrow - who else in the squad could command that kind of attention?
If Shawcross, Shaqiri, Bojan want to know 'why'...tell them that when a Top 5 European side comes knocking, we'll discuss it.
That way, they've been treated in exactly the same way that Marko has. If Marko attracts interest from the likes of PSG, then by right he SHOULD probably be our best paid player..
I can think of 3 players you could rip up the contracts of tomorrow*, use the money to fund some 'key' wages elsewhere, and you wouldn't even notice that they'd left...
*I appreciate it's not that easy
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Post by robboleek on May 4, 2016 12:52:50 GMT
The argument re: wage structure is a valid one. But Marko is different, in that (example) PSG could come knocking tomorrow - who else in the squad could command that kind of attention? If Shawcross, Shaqiri, Bojan want to know 'why'...tell them that when a Top 5 European side comes knocking, we'll discuss it. That way, they've been treated in exactly the same way that Marko has. If Marko attracts interest from the likes of PSG, then by right he SHOULD probably be our best paid player.. I can think of 3 players you could rip up the contracts of tomorrow*, use the money to fund some 'key' wages elsewhere, and you wouldn't even notice that they'd left... *I appreciate it's not that easy Good point in theory however we all know footballers are not the brightest of animals and they will talk and doubt discreation is their strong point ! Not with all of them granted but probably most of them.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 4, 2016 13:44:41 GMT
The problem is that it's not just paying Arnie £100k/week. There is a wage structure which means that if they did break their structure and pay Arnie that, then the other top earners would soon be asking for parity. Ryan, Jack, Shaq, Imbula, Bojan are all probably at the top end. So an extra £30k week for one player could end up costing the club an extra £180k/week which isn't far off an extra £10 million a year. At least Arnie could argue that he deserves a rise, based on performance. The others(apart from Jack)would struggle. Arnie is our stand out player and I have no problem with him getting a wage reflecting that.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 14:13:54 GMT
Let's be honest we have more than enough fringe players we can sell on to free up the wages.
In honesty like Chiefdelilah, I can't see money being the only issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 16:02:44 GMT
Not sure about a price for kissing the badge, but I'd pay £500 for him to kiss my bumhole
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 4, 2016 16:17:23 GMT
I think if we had qualified for Europa league he would most likely have stayed. We have signed quite a few players with champions league experience and we are now is a risky situation of those players deciding they can do better than mid table Prem clubs.
I'm sure Hughes was aiming for Europe this season and sold that dream to new signings
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Post by pottersrule on May 4, 2016 16:25:45 GMT
Arnie has been our player of the year this season, in no way do i want him to leave. You cannot compete with the top clubs if you don't pay the wages. It may seem like a lot of money but that just shows how far we have come. We either pay and push on progressing or sell and stay a mid table team. Leicester have just proved that you can more than compete with the top teams,they have won the premier league on a smaller wage bill than ours.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 4, 2016 16:35:33 GMT
In other words then you have no idea if we can get anyone better. You've just decided that because it's someone else's job it MUST be possible to get someone just as good who doesn't cost as much, will definitely come to Stoke and hit the ground running as an immediate replacement. Well as that's sorted then i guess we can sack him off now Fuck me me soz like for having an opinion that differs ! How much did Walters cost wasn't it around £2.75 million (very cheap) and hasn't he consistently scored nearly the same amount of goals as Arnie this season ? So yes you can bet your bollocks I think it can be done !! Besides there is the bigger picture to look at. As somebody says below if we pay Arnie that much hands will come out from other squad members wanting more. So are YOUR pockets going to cover that ??? Just wondering ?? 1) why would you buy a forward (i.e. Walters) to replace a winger (i.e. Arnie)? that makes fuck all sense. Walters cam from Ipswich and was bought by a very particular manager who liked players who work 'aard. getting a cheap winger in from a lower league team who can slot right in just because they're cheaper???? really???? 2) nope not my pockets but that's the point isn't it? you're saying he's asking for too much and we can get someone cheaper. is it your pockets all of a sudden then? if he stays and gets paid what he's asked for it's because those with the pockets CAN afford it you've basically decided there MUST be someone available who's as good (strangely enough no, Walters hasn't scored as many from the wing consistently at all) as Arnie and WOULD come to Stoke for less money...but then said you actually haven't a fucking clue as it's not your job. you've then suggested we shouldn't pay him what he wants and then admitted it's actually up to those who hold the purse strings. keep it coming fella, at this rate you'll have sacked everyone off and replaced them with out of position players from the Championship
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Post by basingstokie on May 4, 2016 17:26:48 GMT
Seems simple to me.
70k basic with some pretty big add ons for performances, so he can earn 100k p/w but he's going to have to be awesome to do so. In which case we benefit too
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 17:32:29 GMT
I think if we had qualified for Europa league he would most likely have stayed. We have signed quite a few players with champions league experience and we are now is a risky situation of those players deciding they can do better than mid table Prem clubs. I'm sure Hughes was aiming for Europe this season and sold that dream to new signings If there are players in our squad that think that they're better than a mid-table Premier League club, then I suggest that they either start to demonstrate that on the pitch, or give their heads a wobble. Shaqiri - based on what I've witnessed he's not worth a guaranteed start as it is. Bojan - would need to return to form and then maybe Afellay - late stage of his career and we're perhaps his level now given his age/injury record Johnson - see Afellay Shawcross - if he'd have been of interest to other clubs we'd have seen it by now Forwards as a whole - none would command a place in a Top 6 side Arnie & Butland are the two that we'll do well to keep a hold of
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 4, 2016 18:12:11 GMT
Are we sure money's even the issue? I'd be amazed if it was the only one. Like I've said previously I don't think it's about money at all. It's about a player wanting to test himself at a higher level, like N'Zonzi has done.
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Post by robboleek on May 4, 2016 19:38:55 GMT
Fuck me me soz like for having an opinion that differs ! How much did Walters cost wasn't it around £2.75 million (very cheap) and hasn't he consistently scored nearly the same amount of goals as Arnie this season ? So yes you can bet your bollocks I think it can be done !! Besides there is the bigger picture to look at. As somebody says below if we pay Arnie that much hands will come out from other squad members wanting more. So are YOUR pockets going to cover that ??? Just wondering ?? 1) why would you buy a forward (i.e. Walters) to replace a winger (i.e. Arnie)? that makes fuck all sense. Walters cam from Ipswich and was bought by a very particular manager who liked players who work 'aard. getting a cheap winger in from a lower league team who can slot right in just because they're cheaper???? really???? 2) nope not my pockets but that's the point isn't it? you're saying he's asking for too much and we can get someone cheaper. is it your pockets all of a sudden then? if he stays and gets paid what he's asked for it's because those with the pockets CAN afford it you've basically decided there MUST be someone available who's as good (strangely enough no, Walters hasn't scored as many from the wing consistently at all) as Arnie and WOULD come to Stoke for less money...but then said you actually haven't a fucking clue as it's not your job. you've then suggested we shouldn't pay him what he wants and then admitted it's actually up to those who hold the purse strings. keep it coming fella, at this rate you'll have sacked everyone off and replaced them with out of position players from the Championship Only gave Walters as an example. Just sayings it is possible for those inclined to look. I need to write a marketing plan tomorrow which is what to do. Hughes gets paid to shop in certain markets for certain values which is what he does
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Post by robboleek on May 4, 2016 19:50:10 GMT
Apologies what I get paid to do....... It can be done with players trust me. Look at arnie himself £2 million for a winger who has scored goals this season. Yes it has taken a while for him to settle but surely you can see what I am driving at ? If not we will have to agree to disagree. Isn't what this forum is sometimes about ?
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 4, 2016 20:17:15 GMT
The problem is that it's not just paying Arnie £100k/week. There is a wage structure which means that if they did break their structure and pay Arnie that, then the other top earners would soon be asking for parity. Ryan, Jack, Shaq, Imbula, Bojan are all probably at the top end. So an extra £30k week for one player could end up costing the club an extra £180k/week which isn't far off an extra £10 million a year. the others you mention are not in the same league as Arnie, Arnie is the closest we have to world class
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 4, 2016 20:32:58 GMT
The rhetoric from the 'house of Hughes ' has been one of positivity that a deal will be done. In the absence of a statement one way or the other this is all we can go on. Even when Arnie is pressed he cannily keeps to the I want to see the season out and score more goals routine, (my brother does the contract). Even today the headline ran along the lines of, don't wrap me in cotton wool. He's a bit of an enigma granted but an enigmatic character I'd rather have on board.
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