|
|
Post by Beloved Monkfish on May 1, 2016 12:58:33 GMT
In my opinion we not only require additional personnel again this summer but Hughes and his team need to totally re-think the way in which we play. Charlie Adam made a huge difference yesterday with his quick, incisive passing and eagerness to get the ball forward quickly. He sprayed the ball about really well and we won a lot of second balls once Crouch had challenged for the first, meaning straight away we were 40 yards further forward with their midfield out of position.
I don't think Charlie Adam is the long term answer, nor is Crouch, but players LIKE them clearly are. We've got to ditch this slow ponderous build up-play we've been famed for this season but this will take a complete change of mentality over the summer. Hughes also needs to get it right in the transfer market and sign players to suit this style. He's been strangely quite average in this area in my opinion, having chronically underused the likes of Diof and Joselu.
Big summer ahead.
|
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on May 1, 2016 13:03:59 GMT
In my opinion we not only require additional personnel again this summer but Hughes and his team need to totally re-think the way in which we play. Charlie Adam made a huge difference yesterday with his quick, incisive passing and eagerness to get the ball forward quickly. He sprayed the ball about really well and we won a lot of second balls once Crouch had challenged for the first, meaning straight away we were 40 yards further forward with their midfield out of position. I don't think Charlie Adam is the long term answer, nor is Crouch, but players LIKE them clearly are. We've got to ditch this slow ponderous build up-play we've been famed for this season but this will take a complete change of mentality over the summer. Hughes also needs to get it right in the transfer market and sign players to suit this style. He's been strangely quite average in this area in my opinion, having chronically underused the likes of Diof and Joselu. Big summer ahead. Will the chairman back him financially as he has this season, for a club like ourselves we have spent a lot of money whilst going backwards. |
|
|
|
Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2016 13:05:28 GMT
So three top 10 finishes we now throw away all the methodology that brought that about.
I think you need versatility yes but surely not back to hoof ball
|
|
|
|
Post by Beloved Monkfish on May 1, 2016 13:12:39 GMT
So three top 10 finishes we now throw all the methodology that brought that about. I think you need versatility yes but surely not back to hoof ball I really worry about some people's reading and comprehension skills on his board. Where have I suggested hoof ball being the way forward? Don't get wanting to move the ball quickly and being a bit more direct with 'lumping it long'. It just isn't the same. Spurs are direct and move it quickly. Do they play hoof ball? |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 13:24:12 GMT
I don't think Charlie Adam is the long term answer, nor is Crouch, but players LIKE them clearly are. Think you're right. A central midfielder who can create chances and a target man. |
|
|
|
Post by thehoof on May 1, 2016 13:29:45 GMT
Carpslayer,
Over the last 5 years Stoke have spent £83.1m,making us the 5th lowest spenders in the league.
Even Bournemouth have spent £50m in their first season, so I think it is a fallacy to claim we have suddenly become massive spenders.
This year has not been as good as was hoped, but the injuries have played a significant part, meaning it has been impossible to maintain any rhythm or consistency.
Quite amazing how our 3rd highest points tally (& that's if we don't get another point) is construed as failure by some, when in other seasons we would be singing from the rooftops.
No wonder some people like to keep expectations low.
|
|
|
|
Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2016 13:30:30 GMT
You are saying a complete change of system which basically is a long ball no more build up from the back and then through the midfield but over the top to the forwards
|
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 13:33:56 GMT
You are saying a complete change of system which basically is a long ball no more build up from the back and then through the midfield but over the top to the forwards He's saying we need to move the ball quicker. We do. |
|
|
|
Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2016 13:36:25 GMT
Sometimes you can particularly when you are counter attacking away from home.More difficult if teams come to the Brit and sit back
|
|
|
|
Post by Clem Fandango on May 1, 2016 13:37:28 GMT
We need to up the tempo of the team in general. There is a time and a place for patient build up play but we need to be able to move the ball quicker certainly players like Bojan, Shaq and Diouf need to quicker balls so they don't have to beat several men every time.
|
|
|
|
Post by Beloved Monkfish on May 1, 2016 13:37:37 GMT
You are saying a complete change of system which basically is a long ball no more build up from the back and then through the midfield but over the top to the forwards That isn't what I'm saying at all! What's wrong with getting the ball forward quicker? And that doesn't instantly mean playing long ball. What we did well yesterday was getting it into key dangerous areas quicker which meant we looked more of a threat. We need to hit those key areas quicker in general which can still be done by playing 'football'. There are not just two ways to play, 'passing' or 'long ball' and it's a very simplistic view to take. |
|
|
|
Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2016 13:38:56 GMT
Our problems this season have been at home and not taking chances when they come along
|
|
|
|
Post by Beloved Monkfish on May 1, 2016 13:43:29 GMT
Our problems this season have been at home and not taking chances when they come along I can think of at least 5 other problems off the top of my head: Injuries Slow build up play Poor defending Being overly reliant on Butland No proper recognised striker To name but a few. |
|
|
|
Post by milky on May 1, 2016 13:43:55 GMT
In my opinion we not only require additional personnel again this summer but Hughes and his team need to totally re-think the way in which we play. Charlie Adam made a huge difference yesterday with his quick, incisive passing and eagerness to get the ball forward quickly. He sprayed the ball about really well and we won a lot of second balls once Crouch had challenged for the first, meaning straight away we were 40 yards further forward with their midfield out of position. I don't think Charlie Adam is the long term answer, nor is Crouch, but players LIKE them clearly are. We've got to ditch this slow ponderous build up-play we've been famed for this season but this will take a complete change of mentality over the summer. Hughes also needs to get it right in the transfer market and sign players to suit this style. He's been strangely quite average in this area in my opinion, having chronically underused the likes of Diof and Joselu. Big summer ahead. Will the chairman back him financially as he has this season, for a club like ourselves we have spent a lot of money whilst going backwards. I can't buy the going backwards line Carps sorry. It's true we aren't going to hit last season's points tally and we are unlikely to finish 9th. It's too early to say though it its a blip or a trend that will continue. It's difficult for a team like us to keep improving points wise season after season without at least one season where things stand still or even regress. We certainly aren't alone . Everton finished 5th two years ago and have struggled to get anywhere near since.Swansea have followed up their 8th position last season by flirting with relegation. Even Southampton may not match last season's points tally.Have I mentioned Chelsea. That said I accept next season is a big un and lots of questions will be answered one way or another. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 13:45:06 GMT
Carpslayer, Over the last 5 years Stoke have spent £83.1m,making us the 5th lowest spenders in the league. Even Bournemouth have spent £50m in their first season, so I think it is a fallacy to claim we have suddenly become massive spenders. This year has not been as good as was hoped, but the injuries have played a significant part, meaning it has been impossible to maintain any rhythm or consistency. Quite amazing how our 3rd highest points tally (& that's if we don't get another point) is construed as failure by some, when in other seasons we would be singing from the rooftops. No wonder some people like to keep expectations low. So what happened to "the next level" then?. |
|
|
|
Post by milky on May 1, 2016 13:50:26 GMT
Carpslayer, Over the last 5 years Stoke have spent £83.1m,making us the 5th lowest spenders in the league. Even Bournemouth have spent £50m in their first season, so I think it is a fallacy to claim we have suddenly become massive spenders. This year has not been as good as was hoped, but the injuries have played a significant part, meaning it has been impossible to maintain any rhythm or consistency. Quite amazing how our 3rd highest points tally (& that's if we don't get another point) is construed as failure by some, when in other seasons we would be singing from the rooftops. No wonder some people like to keep expectations low. So what happened to "the next level" then?. What's your idea of the next level and did you have the same expectations with the previous regime at the helm ? |
|
|
|
Post by thehoof on May 1, 2016 13:56:18 GMT
Bovril,
Don't understand your question?
Put simply the injuries alone will have accounted for 6 points, and I certainly include Imbula,Shaqiri,Bojan as being next level up from the likes of our team in the first four seasons.
The trouble with our fans is that they seem to think that SCFC have a divine right to finish higher every year, just because we have spent £30m on two players.
As I pointed out Bournemouth have spent £50m, using this board's logic, they should be in Europe.
|
|
|
|
Post by chuffedstokie on May 1, 2016 14:17:35 GMT
Our problems this season have been at home and not taking chances when they come along I can think of at least 5 other problems off the top of my head: Injuries Slow build up play Poor defending Being overly reliant on Butland No proper recognised striker To name but a few.
If we could only eradicate your listed problem areas (injuries excepted) then we'd be getting somewhere. Any other departments after that would then be a fine tuning exercise. As long as the right personnel are all in their appropriate roles and explained what's expected we won't be far off the mark.
|
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on May 1, 2016 14:26:17 GMT
Carpslayer, Over the last 5 years Stoke have spent £83.1m,making us the 5th lowest spenders in the league. Even Bournemouth have spent £50m in their first season, so I think it is a fallacy to claim we have suddenly become massive spenders. This year has not been as good as was hoped, but the injuries have played a significant part, meaning it has been impossible to maintain any rhythm or consistency. Quite amazing how our 3rd highest points tally (& that's if we don't get another point) is construed as failure by some, when in other seasons we would be singing from the rooftops. No wonder some people like to keep expectations low. The club itself raised the expectations at the start of the season claiming we would push on to the next level, has that happened ? |
|
|
|
Post by thehoof on May 1, 2016 14:33:40 GMT
Carp,
The club probably didn't consider the appalling list of injuries at the start of the season, and while unlikely, they can still achieve 54 points, which would ( given a semi final penalty defeat) represent a pretty decent season.
It may be you have some other agenda, I really don't know?
|
|
|
|
Post by loosestools on May 1, 2016 14:34:14 GMT
Just make it click with the players we already have apart from a good old fashioned CF would do us a load of good. Benteke for me.
|
|
|
|
Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2016 15:01:29 GMT
I maybe am too old but top 10 finishes and cup runs are not bad seasons, certainly a lot better than most seasons I have endured watching Stoke over the last 50 yrs or so excepting the best years 1970 to 1975
it could be a lot worse ask Bolton fans
|
|
|
|
Post by johnnysoul60 on May 1, 2016 15:42:48 GMT
I don't get how people don't see that we have no option but to carry on playing slowball and losing way too many home games or a return to Pulis style .
Spurs West Ham , Leicester , Southampton have all shown that you can mix the styles and play a good high tempo game , why cant we do the same ?
|
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on May 1, 2016 15:53:53 GMT
A couple of players with some steel a forward who knows where the goal is and a keeper good enough to be a No.2.  |
|
|
|
Post by march4 on May 1, 2016 17:23:08 GMT
So three top 10 finishes we now throw away all the methodology that brought that about. I think you need versatility yes but surely not back to hoof ball We have made it 3 in a row yet, mate. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 17:30:37 GMT
No need to rip everything up. Just supplement what we have in style with a bit of power and pace in the right area's.
I've made it sound easy when it isn't but a bloke like Hughes and his team will know where and when.
|
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on May 1, 2016 17:32:54 GMT
No rethink from me.
We need to just keep doing what we are doing but do it better, e.g. hit the target with our shots, score from set pieces.
We have been desperately unlucky with injuries that must have cost us at least 6 points. If we can find a way of unlocking packed defences at home we can get a lot more points.
We just need to improve not start from scratch.
|
|
|
|
Post by crownmeking on May 1, 2016 17:46:24 GMT
Carp, The club probably didn't consider the appalling list of injuries at the start of the season, and while unlikely, they can still achieve 54 points, which would ( given a semi final penalty defeat) represent a pretty decent season. It may be you have some other agenda, I really don't know? Of course he has another agenda, that's why he won't answer when you give the facts. |
|
|
|
Post by loosestools on May 2, 2016 17:50:58 GMT
No rethink from me. We need to just keep doing what we are doing but do it better, e.g. hit the target with our shots, score from set pieces. We have been desperately unlucky with injuries that must have cost us at least 6 points. If we can find a way of unlocking packed defences at home we can get a lot more points. We just need to improve not start from scratch. Confidence and consistency is all we need, apart from a net burster, somebody who puts the fear of God up defences every time he gets near the ball. |
|
|
|
Post by ryan4england on May 2, 2016 18:31:20 GMT
What we need is a couple of formations to use well because we are too predictable, for me 5-3-2 with wingbacks can easily be converted to our usual setup. i put a lineup after the window for a 5-3-2 in the team sheet thread and it would be quite simple to turn it into our current set up with one in game sub by taking off a centre half for a right sided forward. Yet we still persist with the same thing when it's not working.
|
|
