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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 1, 2016 15:35:07 GMT
Realistically, the only thing we can do is get an upgrade on Whelan. I know we've tried to do that numerous times before and failed but we've got to get it right this time. With a mobile and strong CDM, we will be able to play Imbula CM with Bojan CAM. I sincerely hope he can recover but Bojan has been very average since he came back also inconsistent and lacking in effort
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Post by nutterpotter on May 1, 2016 15:36:12 GMT
Realistically, the only thing we can do is get an upgrade on Whelan. I know we've tried to do that numerous times before and failed but we've got to get it right this time. With a mobile and strong CDM, we will be able to play Imbula CM with Bojan CAM. We can't play a CDM, a CM & a CAM together. You know what I meant. A Whelan replacement with Imbula in CM. The Whelan replacement is the more defensive of the 2. Bojan CAM.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 1, 2016 15:37:18 GMT
Realistically, the only thing we can do is get an upgrade on Whelan. I know we've tried to do that numerous times before and failed but we've got to get it right this time. With a mobile and strong CDM, we will be able to play Imbula CM with Bojan CAM. What about , partner for Ryan , Pace at full back , pace on the right and left if arnie leaves and a goalscorer , Whelan is way down the priority list , he has had a decent season
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Post by nutterpotter on May 1, 2016 15:38:21 GMT
Realistically, the only thing we can do is get an upgrade on Whelan. I know we've tried to do that numerous times before and failed but we've got to get it right this time. With a mobile and strong CDM, we will be able to play Imbula CM with Bojan CAM. I sincerely hope he can recover but Bojan has been very average since he came back also inconsistent and lacking in effort He hasn't been at his best but he's still scored 7 league goals this season. That's very impressive considering he's come back from a serious injury and has been in and out of the side. Hopefully he'll regain some form in pre season and will be back firing next season.
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Post by chrisparker on May 1, 2016 15:38:36 GMT
We need a change of style and personnel , tweak with what we have and we will go backwards , too many players who you don't know how they will play , not good enough , Hughes has to decide who to work with and who to bin off, that's why he is paid a fortune. We have the 8th highest wage bill but our manager is the second lowest paid manager in the premier league (2nd only to the caretaker manager at Swansea). He's not here for the money, he can fuck off somewhere else & earn twice the amount he's getting at Stoke.
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Post by chrisparker on May 1, 2016 15:41:41 GMT
We can't play a CDM, a CM & a CAM together. You know what I meant. A Whelan replacement with Imbula in CM. The Whelan replacement is the more defensive of the 2. Bojan CAM. What we need is a player like Wanyama, a physical no-nonsense midfielder who is brilliant at reading the play, does the dirty work extremely effectively, retains possession countless times & protects the back 4. But he'll cost a fortune & why would he even leave Southampton & come to Stoke. Southampton refused to sell him to Arsenal.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 1, 2016 16:00:02 GMT
Southampton's 2nd goal is a perfect example of the pace we need
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Post by CalgaryPotter on May 1, 2016 16:16:35 GMT
Southampton's 2nd goal is a perfect example of the pace we need Van Dyck is the central defender we should have got.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 16:21:07 GMT
Find another Kante to replace Whelan. As simple as that. Yeah, dead simple. Anyone you care to mention?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 1, 2016 16:23:03 GMT
Redmond when Norwich go down and I like Montero from Swansea.
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Post by Pugsley on May 1, 2016 16:26:51 GMT
Find another Kante to replace Whelan. As simple as that. Yeah, dead simple. Anyone you care to mention? I did mean it with a bit of tongue in cheek. It isn't that simple is to buy good players unless you're prepared to to pay bonkers money. Stoke City need their scouting network to be bob on.
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Post by themistocles on May 1, 2016 16:55:39 GMT
Hakim Ziyech.
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Post by mrpickles on May 1, 2016 17:06:04 GMT
I don't think it's JUST about pace. We're certainly short on it, but we need a bit more directness in our play. The thing I loved about Moses when he was here was you just knew that when he picked the ball up, he was taking that full back on. Whether it was on the outside or the inside the full back knew he had something to deal with all afternoon. Shaq and Arnie are great, and are more than capable of beating their full back, but they aren't going to attack their man time and time again because their overall game involves more than that. It would be nice to think we could tempt someone like Jordon Ibe, but I'd be very surprised if we could.
Imbula can be massive regarding the directness of our play too. I just hope someone grabs hold of him this summer and works with him on his decision making. His ability to turn attack into defence as quickly as he can will be priceless.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 17:32:42 GMT
The pace shop
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 17:41:53 GMT
And then what about Bojan? Good question That's it, isn't it. You'd need to push a player out of the team just to accommodate Whelan & Imbula's shortcomings. Whereas if we get someone alongside either that can improve that Midford two, we can use Bojan/Adam as a #10
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 1, 2016 17:47:14 GMT
Hughes thought Imbula was going to be a deeper lying midfielder. He can't play that position. He looks like a he could be a very good attacking player when he's fully fit. We need to buy a mobile defensive midfielder in the summer. Imbula and bojan will be fighting for the same spot in the team
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Post by hchpotter on May 1, 2016 19:15:53 GMT
Playing a left footer on the right and a right footer on the left is fine if you want them to cut inside every time. If you want them to put a decent ball into the box it slows us right down because they have to check back every time.
Similarly, being utterly one footed like Imbula means he has to switch to his shooting foot before he dares let fly - which means allowing defenders to catch up with the break.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 1, 2016 19:24:39 GMT
Southampton had a lot of pace in their front 3 long tadic and mane. Not sure on their exact formation but mane looked to be on the right. I think Rob pointed out we need a quick striker who could drift in from wide like odemwingie pre injury did which seemed to be what mane was doing.
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Post by cotswoldstokie on May 2, 2016 6:27:24 GMT
Would like to see Imbula further forward and a mother midfielder capable of supporting Whelan - TP always played with two midfielders in the 'Cage' in front of the back four. Charlie's disciplined performance yesterday ( thought he was moth imho) would be an option. I know Charlie and discipline are not often seen juxtaposed! Need another option to back there too. We need all the team to work together defending from the front - we are not good enough to win games without being able to press and win the ball back.
It would nice not to have to have so many injuries next year too
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Post by nonameface on May 2, 2016 7:34:56 GMT
We've got enough pace, we just need to move the ball faster through the team, without doing that any faster player would have less and less space to run into which would make them less effective.
Hughes really needs to address this and I think he is the right man for the job.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 2, 2016 7:51:36 GMT
It's not all about pace it's about having skill too. It's about getting the mix right and creating the space and breaking. The keys for me are getting a more positive CM to replace Whelan and a pacey striker. I like Fer who seems to have done well at Swansea and wouldn't be majorly expensive with QPR not going up. Pace up front is really important as it gives you an out ball. Ideally we need a Diouf upgrade. Batushayi or Berahino would be perfect if we could get either.
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Post by ysc1 on May 2, 2016 9:08:40 GMT
Montero Redmond Sinclair
Back up players??
Then if arnie goes id look at
Ibe Townsend Ox?
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Post by clarkeda on May 2, 2016 9:23:10 GMT
Montero Redmond and Embolo would be my first 3 signings
Ibe is a good shout too.
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2016 9:26:05 GMT
We need a change of style and personnel , tweak with what we have and we will go backwards , too many players who you don't know how they will play , not good enough , Hughes has to decide who to work with and who to bin off , that's why he is paid a fortune . I'll ask again... Why is it that Stoke City supporters have such a massive hang up about how much players and managers are paid?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2016 10:36:07 GMT
Hughes thought Imbula was going to be a deeper lying midfielder. He can't play that position. He looks like a he could be a very good attacking player when he's fully fit. We need to buy a mobile defensive midfielder in the summer. Imbula and bojan will be fighting for the same spot in the team If that's the case and recent evidence suggests it is surely it brings massive questions over the managers and our scouts judgements? You sign a player for 18m and he can't play the position you want him to..... If that's the case (next season is when we should judge) then God help us.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 2, 2016 10:58:34 GMT
Hughes thought Imbula was going to be a deeper lying midfielder. He can't play that position. He looks like a he could be a very good attacking player when he's fully fit. We need to buy a mobile defensive midfielder in the summer. Imbula and bojan will be fighting for the same spot in the team If that's the case and recent evidence suggests it is surely it brings massive questions over the managers and our scouts judgements? You sign a player for 18m and he can't play the position you want him to..... If that's the case (next season is when we should judge) then God help us. Maybe we need to go to a 433 with Imbula at the point of the 3. With 2 of Arni, Bojan and Shaq playing up with the lone striker.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2016 11:13:21 GMT
If that's the case and recent evidence suggests it is surely it brings massive questions over the managers and our scouts judgements? You sign a player for 18m and he can't play the position you want him to..... If that's the case (next season is when we should judge) then God help us. Maybe we need to go to a 433 with Imbula at the point of the 3. With 2 of Arni, Bojan and Shaq playing up with the lone striker. Other than Bojan you're really not going to get the best out them. I'd prefer we signed players that we know how to use. There's been quite a few that don't fall into that category under Hughes.
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Post by AlliG on May 2, 2016 11:53:16 GMT
It infuriates me how the club never addressed this. Pure pace is, in certain circumstances, undefendable. Technical skill is irrelvant if your opponent can burn past you on a whim, who remembers the mockery Bale made of Maicon a few years back? Written by someone who obviously can't remember (or has managed to expunge from his memory) "Postman" John Williams, useless Tony Kelly or "F****** H***" Carruthers Bale might be lightning quick, but, and it is a very big but, he actually has the technical skill to take advantage of that pace. Non-league football is full of blokes who can run fast and that's it. Most of our problems this season are the ball not moving fast enough rather than the players. When we move the ball quickly, we look dangerous; when we don't we look pedestrian. A quicker version of one or two of our players would not harm, but, as the old adage says, "the ball can move faster than a player can run".
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 18:21:48 GMT
Montero, Redmond, Dyer all have the footballing ability of a fucking doolally lurcher.
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Post by switch on May 3, 2016 21:32:44 GMT
It infuriates me how the club never addressed this. Pure pace is, in certain circumstances, undefendable. Technical skill is irrelvant if your opponent can burn past you on a whim, who remembers the mockery Bale made of Maicon a few years back? Written by someone who obviously can't remember (or has managed to expunge from his memory) "Postman" John Williams, useless Tony Kelly or "F****** H***" Carruthers Bale might be lightning quick, but, and it is a very big but, he actually has the technical skill to take advantage of that pace. Non-league football is full of blokes who can run fast and that's it. Most of our problems this season are the ball not moving fast enough rather than the players. When we move the ball quickly, we look dangerous; when we don't we look pedestrian. A quicker version of one or two of our players would not harm, but, as the old adage says, "the ball can move faster than a player can run". That's all well and good but not really the point i was making; technical skill is obviously paramount but lets not pretend that physical attributes dont give players an edge. Stoke, as a whole are devoid of pace and it holds us back. Players like Schlupp/Montero/Long/Walcott etc aren't world beaters but their speed makes them effective and more dangerous
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