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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2016 11:04:40 GMT
fingers crossed mate! i do agree with what bayern's been saying for a while now though in that Hughes does need to sort out what system he wants to use and start playing it regularly instead of seemingly shoehorning in every big name we've got just because. it does no favours to anyone, let alone one of the biggest talents we have who's struggling to find form after a serious injury and long lay off. most of the time Bojan gets played nowadays i've got no fucking clue where he's supposed to be and by the time i've worked it out Hughes has made subs and changed it all again. sort our Bojan's best position, sort out Affellay's best position, sort out what system he wants to play and stick to it...if that means leaving one of them out because the other is in better form then so be it. the injuries we've had this season have largely been in other positions and not really effected this area of the park too much but for some unknown reason Hughes still doesn't seem to know from one week to another what to do up top/between Glenn and the forward The problem is that playing Afellay in his best position results in dropping Bojan. So you shoehorn Afellay in and have to drop either Whelan or Imbula. Quite frankly, I don't think Whelan has been up to scratch lately, so I would have considered dropping him for the Sunderland game. That said, the decision was made easy by Afellay's injury. Still, we have a problem. I think Afellay is a vital player in our team, but I've slowly began to realize that while bayernoatcake is wrong in his vitriol about Afellay, he's right about one thing, we do attack much quicker when Bojan is in the team. Afellay won't be playing on the wings, and I think long term Bojan has to be behind the strikers. So we either drop Whelan or we drop Afellay. Is it his best position? What does he create? And he slows the play down even more there. Afellay for me is better deep. That's why I think he'd be great from the bench for when we're winning to keep the ball. He uses it well to keep it but it doesn't hurt sides. And it's not vitriol, I like him but he is everything I say he is and it's showed. I just like him differently to what you do, I don't see him as this attacking God. Because he's not. I'd have him as the deepest midfielder every day of the week over him being the furthest forward.
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May 4, 2016 11:18:24 GMT
Post by metalhead on May 4, 2016 11:18:24 GMT
The problem is that playing Afellay in his best position results in dropping Bojan. So you shoehorn Afellay in and have to drop either Whelan or Imbula. Quite frankly, I don't think Whelan has been up to scratch lately, so I would have considered dropping him for the Sunderland game. That said, the decision was made easy by Afellay's injury. Still, we have a problem. I think Afellay is a vital player in our team, but I've slowly began to realize that while bayernoatcake is wrong in his vitriol about Afellay, he's right about one thing, we do attack much quicker when Bojan is in the team. Afellay won't be playing on the wings, and I think long term Bojan has to be behind the strikers. So we either drop Whelan or we drop Afellay. Is it his best position? What does he create? And he slows the play down even more there. Afellay for me is better deep. That's why I think he'd be great from the bench for when we're winning to keep the ball. He uses it well to keep it but it doesn't hurt sides. And it's not vitriol, I like him but he is everything I say he is and it's showed. I just like him differently to what you do, I don't see him as this attacking God. Because he's not. I'd have him as the deepest midfielder every day of the week over him being the furthest forward. Hence drop Whelan?
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May 4, 2016 11:31:48 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on May 4, 2016 11:31:48 GMT
He was starting to show some form so its not great thats he's not getting in the team, especially with the injury to Affelay.
We need him on the pitch to re-discover that magic touch - hes not going to find it sitting on the bench.
Hughes should already be focused on NEXT season and if he wants Bojan to be a part of that he needs to be starting him in the team.
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May 4, 2016 11:56:01 GMT
Post by wearepremierleague on May 4, 2016 11:56:01 GMT
Best player against United, Pool and Swansea, was screwed by the system against Spurs. Should be the first name on the sheet every single game.
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May 4, 2016 12:00:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 12:00:42 GMT
The problem with bojan is his lack of physicality. He really needs to be played in a front 2 (the old fashioned big lad small lad) or allowed to roam from a midfield position - the problem with this is we play with one up top and if he's roaming about it leaves to many holes in midfield, especially if arnie (can get stuck in but does go missing) aff and Shaq are on the pitch. Personally I thought he looked most impressive when sjw was on the right. Silk and steel in combo! You're not wrong! I think the crucial area for Boj is that midfield two, if we play in Hughes's preferred 4231. Re: team selection for next season, you'd think: CF (target-man or big burly type) Arnie/LW Bojan Shaq Imbula Whelan/new DM destroyer Back four Butfuckland A lot rides on those two chaps behind the three. If Imbula can add some urgency and steel to his game, alongside us having Whelan or a new DM (Kanté-esque?), you'd hope we'd be able to move forward with that team. Yet... It depends on how Imbula develops (or what LMH sees his role as), and also who leaves in the summer. I agree with the sentiments that we should build the team round him though. He's utter quality.
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May 4, 2016 12:04:56 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2016 12:04:56 GMT
Is it his best position? What does he create? And he slows the play down even more there. Afellay for me is better deep. That's why I think he'd be great from the bench for when we're winning to keep the ball. He uses it well to keep it but it doesn't hurt sides. And it's not vitriol, I like him but he is everything I say he is and it's showed. I just like him differently to what you do, I don't see him as this attacking God. Because he's not. I'd have him as the deepest midfielder every day of the week over him being the furthest forward. Hence drop Whelan? I think it depends on the game. At the minute it'd be drop Imbula irrespective though. That was a bit of a general comment though showing where I think (area wise) his best uses are.
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Post by blurtonboy on May 4, 2016 12:41:38 GMT
The problem with bojan is his lack of physicality. He really needs to be played in a front 2 (the old fashioned big lad small lad) or allowed to roam from a midfield position - the problem with this is we play with one up top and if he's roaming about it leaves to many holes in midfield, especially if arnie (can get stuck in but does go missing) aff and Shaq are on the pitch. Personally I thought he looked most impressive when sjw was on the right. Silk and steel in combo! You're not wrong! I think the crucial area for Boj is that midfield two, if we play in Hughes's preferred 4231. Re: team selection for next season, you'd think: CF (target-man or big burly type) Arnie/LW Bojan Shaq Imbula Whelan/new DM destroyer Back four ButfucklandA lot rides on those two chaps behind the three. If Imbula can add some urgency and steel to his game, alongside us having Whelan or a new DM (Kanté-esque?), you'd hope we'd be able to move forward with that team. Yet... It depends on how Imbula develops (or what LMH sees his role as), and also who leaves in the summer. I agree with the sentiments that we should build the team round him though. He's utter quality. Too much predictive text I presume?
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May 4, 2016 12:45:43 GMT
Post by kustokie on May 4, 2016 12:45:43 GMT
I think it depends on the game. At the minute it'd be drop Imbula irrespective though. That was a bit of a general comment though showing where I think (area wise) his best uses are. I'm really going to start to question Hughes's sanity if doesn't start Bojan and drop Imbula at Saturday
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May 4, 2016 12:52:33 GMT
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Post by ryan4england on May 4, 2016 12:52:33 GMT
Didn't Hughes make a point of saying imbula needs games though when he signed, can't see him being dropped now. I think he'll come good next season after a full preseason
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Post by jezzascfc on May 4, 2016 12:53:37 GMT
We need the right balance of brains and brawn in the team. With Shaq, Arnie, Imbula and Bojan behind a striker, we have too many flair players and not enough who are prepared to do the hard work in helping out in defence as well (Arnie being the big exception, as he does both). A fully fit and on form Bojan should have the team built around him. He should just be tasked with creating and scoring goals, not with tracking the Lee Cattermoles of this world!
Where this fails is if one of the central two is Imbula, in his current non-defending mindset, and one of the wingers is Shaq, who seems to think helping out his full back is somewhat beneath him. In this scenario, we have at least four of the team who do not defend, which is simply too many. The best teams defend from the front.
If Bojan is truly to blossom as our number 10, he needs those around him to work harder defensively to free him up. We have sacrificed him for Afellay, and now Imbula, in that role as much for others' failings as his own. Yes, he needs to play better when given a chance, and some of his recent offerings have been a bit limp, but he needs game time to rediscover the form we all know he possesses. It is no coincidence that his best showings for us were with Walters on the right wing and the hardworking N'Zonzi behind him with Whelan.
We must find the right balance, not just play our best eleven players and hope they work it out. As for the Mail, what a load of nonsense - how did he start the season on fire, as they claim, when he missed for the first three months recovering from his ACL operation? No actual quotes either I see - just we understand etc.....total shit-stirring non-story.
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May 4, 2016 12:59:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 12:59:32 GMT
You're not wrong! I think the crucial area for Boj is that midfield two, if we play in Hughes's preferred 4231. Re: team selection for next season, you'd think: CF (target-man or big burly type) Arnie/LW Bojan Shaq Imbula Whelan/new DM destroyer Back four ButfucklandA lot rides on those two chaps behind the three. If Imbula can add some urgency and steel to his game, alongside us having Whelan or a new DM (Kanté-esque?), you'd hope we'd be able to move forward with that team. Yet... It depends on how Imbula develops (or what LMH sees his role as), and also who leaves in the summer. I agree with the sentiments that we should build the team round him though. He's utter quality. Too much predictive text I presume?
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May 4, 2016 13:11:00 GMT
Post by metalhead on May 4, 2016 13:11:00 GMT
I think it depends on the game. At the minute it'd be drop Imbula irrespective though. That was a bit of a general comment though showing where I think (area wise) his best uses are. No point in dropping Imbula. Isn't playing well, but he needs to be bedded in.
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May 4, 2016 13:43:54 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 4, 2016 13:43:54 GMT
Ah right. He's thrown his toys out of the pram because he hasn't featured for the last two games??? More short sighted bullshit from a player who thinks he's far better than he actually is (if true of course which I doubt very much) Why are you hell bent on putting words into Bojan's mouth just to merit having a go at him? It's embarrassing. I'm doing no such thing. I've acknowledged 3 times on this thread alone that the article is a load of bullshit and that its highly unlikely to be true.
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Post by superheroantonius on May 4, 2016 13:51:28 GMT
the article may well be untrue
but what is true ..is that both ranieri and pochettino insist all their forwards press and press for the full ninety minutes with non stop encouragement to the opposition defenders to make a mistake
and if sparky does likewise ...then bojan is either going to have to start working like kane del alli mahrez and vardy ... or get used to sitting on the bench
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May 4, 2016 15:18:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 15:18:27 GMT
Bojan is so important to us - I've had a look into the stats :
Arnie - 2640 minutes played - 11 goals Bojan - 1616 minutes played - 7 goals
Arnie is seen by many as player of the season(jack for me) but Bojan has scored just 4 less goals having played 1024 minutes less. We need him on the pitch!!
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May 4, 2016 15:45:09 GMT
Post by metalhead on May 4, 2016 15:45:09 GMT
the article may well be untrue but what is true ..is that both ranieri and pochettino insist all their forwards press and press for the full ninety minutes with non stop encouragement to the opposition defenders to make a mistake and if sparky does likewise ...then bojan is either going to have to start working like kane del alli mahrez and vardy ... or get used to sitting on the bench It's not fair to expect Bojan to run like those when he clearly hasn't been fit most the season. Next season, we will see Bojan become the main man.
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May 4, 2016 16:38:38 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 4, 2016 16:38:38 GMT
Bojan plays behind the striker, it's the one role in the team that doesn't require any defending, so chipping off at him for that seems unfair. There was a point earlier in the season where he was badly struggling and rightly out of the team. He's been desperately unlucky to be dropped of late just as he was finding some form though, and god knows what he thinks of finding himself lower down the pecking order than a player signed to play an entirely different role. Hughes surely has big plans for him though and with a full pre-season behind him he should remind everyone next season exactly what a star he is. If he doesn't, something somewhere is seriously wrong, either with him or with us. Do you think it will come down to a straight choice between him and Imbula for the number 10 role or will Imbula have to adapt in center midfield?
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 4, 2016 16:40:07 GMT
Bojan plays behind the striker, it's the one role in the team that doesn't require any defending, so chipping off at him for that seems unfair. There was a point earlier in the season where he was badly struggling and rightly out of the team. He's been desperately unlucky to be dropped of late just as he was finding some form though, and god knows what he thinks of finding himself lower down the pecking order than a player signed to play an entirely different role. Hughes surely has big plans for him though and with a full pre-season behind him he should remind everyone next season exactly what a star he is. If he doesn't, something somewhere is seriously wrong, either with him or with us. Do you think it will come down to a straight choice between him and Imbula for the number 10 role or will Imbula have to adapt in center midfield? Surely the second one you'd think? Could it yet come to a straight choice between Bojan and Shaq for the number 10 role though?
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May 4, 2016 16:48:01 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on May 4, 2016 16:48:01 GMT
Do you think it will come down to a straight choice between him and Imbula for the number 10 role or will Imbula have to adapt in center midfield? Surely the second one you'd think? Could it yet come to a straight choice between Bojan and Shaq for the number 10 role though? Imbula was bought as our (belated) SNZ replacement - he simply has to adapt to that role alongside Glenn (or similar) or there is no long-term place for him in the current formation. Both Bojan and Shaq are what the likes of a certain baseball capped one would call "LUXURY PLAYERS". Managers of his ilk believe that you can only have one such player in your team. In his Stoke days, we had Fuller. Tuncay could not fit in. Hughes is trying to increase the team's technical ability and one way of doing so is to increase the number of luxury players, which is all well and good provided that they work hard as well. The very best players - like Messi and Ronaldo - work their nuts off as well. Luxury players who do not work are just lazy players who cannot be relied on week in week out. As I said above, more of our gifted players need to follow Arnie's example and "put a shift in". If not, we will be exposed and overrun time and again by the high tempo performances of the likes of Spurs and Liverpool.
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May 4, 2016 16:52:29 GMT
Post by harryburrows on May 4, 2016 16:52:29 GMT
Surely the second one you'd think? Could it yet come to a straight choice between Bojan and Shaq for the number 10 role though? Imbula was bought as our (belated) SNZ replacement - he simply has to adapt to that role alongside Glenn (or similar) or there is no long-term place for him in the current formation. Both Bojan and Shaq are what the likes of a certain baseball capped one would call "LUXURY PLAYERS". Managers of his ilk believe that you can only have one such player in your team. In his Stoke days, we had Fuller. Tuncay could not fit in. Hughes is trying to increase the team's technical ability and one way of doing so is to increase the number of luxury players, which is all well and good provided that they work hard as well. The very best players - like Messi and Ronaldo - work their nuts off as well. Luxury players who do not work are just lazy players who cannot be relied on week in week out. As I said above, more of our gifted players need to follow Arnie's example and "put a shift in". If not, we will be exposed and overrun time and again by the high tempo performances of the likes of Spurs and Liverpool. Spot on
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Post by sharonbeech21 on May 4, 2016 17:00:37 GMT
Bojan needs games he is a class player. I think he should start against palace on saturday. I think he will be great next season? Mark Hughes needs to play him
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May 4, 2016 17:08:12 GMT
Post by kustokie on May 4, 2016 17:08:12 GMT
We need the right balance of brains and brawn in the team. With Shaq, Arnie, Imbula and Bojan behind a striker, we have too many flair players and not enough who are prepared to do the hard work in helping out in defence as well (Arnie being the big exception, as he does both). A fully fit and on form Bojan should have the team built around him. He should just be tasked with creating and scoring goals, not with tracking the Lee Cattermoles of this world! Where this fails is if one of the central two is Imbula, in his current non-defending mindset, and one of the wingers is Shaq, who seems to think helping out his full back is somewhat beneath him. In this scenario, we have at least four of the team who do not defend, which is simply too many. The best teams defend from the front. If Bojan is truly to blossom as our number 10, he needs those around him to work harder defensively to free him up. We have sacrificed him for Afellay, and now Imbula, in that role as much for others' failings as his own. Yes, he needs to play better when given a chance, and some of his recent offerings have been a bit limp, but he needs game time to rediscover the form we all know he possesses. It is no coincidence that his best showings for us were with Walters on the right wing and the hardworking N'Zonzi behind him with Whelan. We must find the right balance, not just play our best eleven players and hope they work it out. As for the Mail, what a load of nonsense - how did he start the season on fire, as they claim, when he missed for the first three months recovering from his ACL operation? No actual quotes either I see - just we understand etc.....total shit-stirring non-story. Imbula was unsuccessful at Porto because he was asked to play a defensive role, which he's not very good at.
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May 4, 2016 17:10:50 GMT
Post by kustokie on May 4, 2016 17:10:50 GMT
Surely the second one you'd think? Could it yet come to a straight choice between Bojan and Shaq for the number 10 role though? Imbula was bought as our (belated) SNZ replacement - he simply has to adapt to that role alongside Glenn (or similar) or there is no long-term place for him in the current formation. Both Bojan and Shaq are what the likes of a certain baseball capped one would call "LUXURY PLAYERS". Managers of his ilk believe that you can only have one such player in your team. In his Stoke days, we had Fuller. Tuncay could not fit in. Hughes is trying to increase the team's technical ability and one way of doing so is to increase the number of luxury players, which is all well and good provided that they work hard as well. The very best players - like Messi and Ronaldo - work their nuts off as well. Luxury players who do not work are just lazy players who cannot be relied on week in week out. As I said above, more of our gifted players need to follow Arnie's example and "put a shift in". If not, we will be exposed and overrun time and again by the high tempo performances of the likes of Spurs and Liverpool. If they did all of those things they would probably still at Barcelona, Porto, Real Madrid etc. Sad but true.
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May 4, 2016 17:11:06 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on May 4, 2016 17:11:06 GMT
We need the right balance of brains and brawn in the team. With Shaq, Arnie, Imbula and Bojan behind a striker, we have too many flair players and not enough who are prepared to do the hard work in helping out in defence as well (Arnie being the big exception, as he does both). A fully fit and on form Bojan should have the team built around him. He should just be tasked with creating and scoring goals, not with tracking the Lee Cattermoles of this world! Where this fails is if one of the central two is Imbula, in his current non-defending mindset, and one of the wingers is Shaq, who seems to think helping out his full back is somewhat beneath him. In this scenario, we have at least four of the team who do not defend, which is simply too many. The best teams defend from the front. If Bojan is truly to blossom as our number 10, he needs those around him to work harder defensively to free him up. We have sacrificed him for Afellay, and now Imbula, in that role as much for others' failings as his own. Yes, he needs to play better when given a chance, and some of his recent offerings have been a bit limp, but he needs game time to rediscover the form we all know he possesses. It is no coincidence that his best showings for us were with Walters on the right wing and the hardworking N'Zonzi behind him with Whelan. We must find the right balance, not just play our best eleven players and hope they work it out. As for the Mail, what a load of nonsense - how did he start the season on fire, as they claim, when he missed for the first three months recovering from his ACL operation? No actual quotes either I see - just we understand etc.....total shit-stirring non-story. Imbula was unsuccessful at Porto because he was asked to play a defensive role, which he's not very good at. We need him as our box-to-box midfield man, not solely holding, but he has to recognise that there has to be some defensive responsibility that goes with the role, especially when we lose possession in transition. He jogs back when we need him to sprint. If we spell out what we need and push him to increase his fitness levels in pre-season, he can do it.
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Post by jezzascfc on May 4, 2016 17:13:05 GMT
Imbula was bought as our (belated) SNZ replacement - he simply has to adapt to that role alongside Glenn (or similar) or there is no long-term place for him in the current formation. Both Bojan and Shaq are what the likes of a certain baseball capped one would call "LUXURY PLAYERS". Managers of his ilk believe that you can only have one such player in your team. In his Stoke days, we had Fuller. Tuncay could not fit in. Hughes is trying to increase the team's technical ability and one way of doing so is to increase the number of luxury players, which is all well and good provided that they work hard as well. The very best players - like Messi and Ronaldo - work their nuts off as well. Luxury players who do not work are just lazy players who cannot be relied on week in week out. As I said above, more of our gifted players need to follow Arnie's example and "put a shift in". If not, we will be exposed and overrun time and again by the high tempo performances of the likes of Spurs and Liverpool. If they did all of those things they would probably still at Barcelona, Porto, Real Madrid etc. Sad but true. Maybe, but if they want to use us a stepping stone back to the really big time, then they must do it for us now, or risk slipping down the leagues to become a circus act in the Middle East, US or China.
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May 4, 2016 17:14:23 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on May 4, 2016 17:14:23 GMT
We need the right balance of brains and brawn in the team. With Shaq, Arnie, Imbula and Bojan behind a striker, we have too many flair players and not enough who are prepared to do the hard work in helping out in defence as well (Arnie being the big exception, as he does both). A fully fit and on form Bojan should have the team built around him. He should just be tasked with creating and scoring goals, not with tracking the Lee Cattermoles of this world! Where this fails is if one of the central two is Imbula, in his current non-defending mindset, and one of the wingers is Shaq, who seems to think helping out his full back is somewhat beneath him. In this scenario, we have at least four of the team who do not defend, which is simply too many. The best teams defend from the front. If Bojan is truly to blossom as our number 10, he needs those around him to work harder defensively to free him up. We have sacrificed him for Afellay, and now Imbula, in that role as much for others' failings as his own. Yes, he needs to play better when given a chance, and some of his recent offerings have been a bit limp, but he needs game time to rediscover the form we all know he possesses. It is no coincidence that his best showings for us were with Walters on the right wing and the hardworking N'Zonzi behind him with Whelan. We must find the right balance, not just play our best eleven players and hope they work it out. As for the Mail, what a load of nonsense - how did he start the season on fire, as they claim, when he missed for the first three months recovering from his ACL operation? No actual quotes either I see - just we understand etc.....total shit-stirring non-story. Imbula was unsuccessful at Porto because he was asked to play a defensive role, which he's not very good at. He wasn't playing as a number 10 even in his glory days at Marseilles though.
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May 4, 2016 17:18:43 GMT
Post by kustokie on May 4, 2016 17:18:43 GMT
Imbula was unsuccessful at Porto because he was asked to play a defensive role, which he's not very good at. We need him as our box-to-box midfield man, not solely holding, but he has to recognise that there has to be some defensive responsibility that goes with the role, especially when we lose possession in transition. He jogs back when we need him to sprint. If we spell out what we need and push him to increase his fitness levels in pre-season, he can do it. I agree. What's his problem? Why hasn't someone stuck a bottle rocket his butt? Maybe that's why he's not delivered elsewhere?
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May 4, 2016 17:32:55 GMT
Post by numpty40 on May 4, 2016 17:32:55 GMT
He's barely played this year after being over played when he came back from injury. Fuck knows what the manager is doing. But it's not too hard to see why a player would be pissed off with what's gone on with him. He should be the number 10, there's no one close to lace his boots. So it isn't the last few games then? Its the whole season where by your own admission, the manager overplayed him...this despite the fact that bojan himself, allegedly wanted to play more because he was free from all injury issues. Seems like mr bojan, according to you and the article, wants his cake and wants to eat it as well. He must be great for team morale and a super character to have in the dressing room. Mind you, he has played like he'll play when it suits him to play which I suppose backs up your thoughts. If you are correct, and mutley and the article are correct, he's symptomatic of why the last few games have been abysmal. If he's so unhappy at his treatment, hand in a transfer request and fuck off back to some other foreign outpost where he will struggle to settle again. If this is true, it seems to me that little bojan has every excuse going for being crap. Its never his fault. Fortunately, I doubt any of it is true. He was happy enough to sign a new 4-5 year contract only a matter of weeks ago. Considering you don't think the article is true you seem pretty keen to stick the boot into Bojan. Strange.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 17:54:01 GMT
If we are going to stick with Crouchy up front, surely a class act like Bojan can play off him!
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May 4, 2016 17:54:14 GMT
Post by nott1 on May 4, 2016 17:54:14 GMT
You're not wrong! I think the crucial area for Boj is that midfield two, if we play in Hughes's preferred 4231. Re: team selection for next season, you'd think: CF (target-man or big burly type) Arnie/LW Bojan Shaq Imbula Whelan/new DM destroyer Back four ButfucklandA lot rides on those two chaps behind the three. If Imbula can add some urgency and steel to his game, alongside us having Whelan or a new DM (Kanté-esque?), you'd hope we'd be able to move forward with that team. Yet... It depends on how Imbula develops (or what LMH sees his role as), and also who leaves in the summer. I agree with the sentiments that we should build the team round him though. He's utter quality. Too much predictive text I presume? Butfuckland A spoonerism?
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