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Post by biglad180 on Apr 26, 2016 11:32:51 GMT
people on here have gone completely over the top when we have our best 11 on the pitch we have proved we are a match for anyone we have butland Johnson pieters all out shawcross rushed back bojan shakiri out for a lot of the season what team would not struggle with there best players out time to carm down a bit get this season out the way and go again 3 or 4 signings in the right places and the garden will be roseie again
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Post by pez75 on Apr 26, 2016 11:36:55 GMT
Coates blames injures , Adam says you can't use injuries as an excuse with a so called strong squad of twenty five....where does the truth lie ,half a dozen games at the start of the season...no wins..three 3-0 defeats after that ..dismissed the FA cup tie against Palace,putting out a weaker side than we could have,and now they are in the final....now on a run of defeats by four goals , and no signs of things getting better, we are where we are in the league because this has been pretty much where most teams have been inconsistent ,we might hang on to tenth and on paper may look pretty good,but lost seven at home and may yet be nine.....happy with that Peter...REALLY !!!!! Shit argument. You have missed out over half a season where we showed good form, beat some of the best teams in the league and very narowly missed out on a league cup final. As for Palace, their league form is much worse than ours and they can still be relegated. Do you want to swap? You had better call the samaritans with that attitude. If we finish 10th it is because we are the 10th best team in the country. Get a grip. |
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 26, 2016 11:45:33 GMT
Coates blames injures , Adam says you can't use injuries as an excuse with a so called strong squad of twenty five....where does the truth lie ,half a dozen games at the start of the season...no wins..three 3-0 defeats after that ..dismissed the FA cup tie against Palace,putting out a weaker side than we could have,and now they are in the final....now on a run of defeats by four goals , and no signs of things getting better, we are where we are in the league because this has been pretty much where most teams have been inconsistent ,we might hang on to tenth and on paper may look pretty good,but lost seven at home and may yet be nine.....happy with that Peter...REALLY !!!!! 73 injuries we've suffered since the end of last season. Is that really an excuse? Is there another team in the league who've had a bigger injury setback? Perhaps Man City but they've got a much stronger squad than us. And it's not just the fact that our players get injured, it's the fact that when they return they've got to start all over again & pick up their form. I love how you bring up the slow start but you fail to recognise that from the beginning of September to the end of January, we were averaging around 2 points a game. That's Champions League form. Yes we did slip up with three 3-0 defeats then after losing several players in key defensive positions but we bounced back after that and we won 3 on a spin with a point at Stanford Bridge for the first time since 1984. You bring up our poor home form but you conveniently choose to ignore our brilliant away form this, which is the best we've ever had in the premier league. And as for Palace, yes they knocked us out but they have also knocked out Southampton & Tottenham. Those 2 teams are probably asking the same questions & both of those teams are ahead of us in the league. Whose to say we would've won at White hart Lane even if we'd knocked out Palace. Right now, we're exactly where we deserve to be in the league & I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Stoke fans these days feel that a top 10 finish & league cup semifinal (in which we were knocked out in penalties) in unacceptable. It has been a good season, why shouldn't Peter be happy? |
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Post by bojanwonder on Apr 26, 2016 11:50:24 GMT
I think he one thing this season has taught us is that it is not necessarily about chucking money at 'name' signings. It's about catching the right players at the right stage of their careers and putting them into an effective system ( copyright LCFC) Our success next year depends on our ability to search out players with energy, some latent quality and whose best days are in front of them not behind them. (I also think we have probably taken this re-habilitating fallen starlets thing to a conclusion now). Mr Coates will,I hope, be focusing his transfer team accordingly and having a word in the ear of his coaching staff about an improved tactical approach in home games which involves a lot less pointless passing in front of the opposition defence and a bit more speed getting to the bye-line and getting the ball in the box!
Just about spot on that! 
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 26, 2016 11:53:38 GMT
I think it's the attitude of the players that have come in thats upset people ... Muni justs let man city play around him without going in and hitting them with some proper tackles .. what use is a full back who doesn't even put some tackles in ?? i managed to do that and i didn't even go to the game ( i watched it on the telly ).
Joselu stands around waiting for Diouf to go in there and try and muscle in on the end of corner ...why ? whats all that about ??
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 26, 2016 12:20:40 GMT
Thanks for that Fox. How's Mulder doing? You wouldn't describe it in the terms you've suggested either. It's defensive rather than a ringing endorsement.
That's pretty much how I read his words. Stating the obvious without displaying either joy or remorse at our season. But as has already been said, 'he would say that wouldn't he'. We are seriously knocking on the door of top end status and I'd like to think that with guy like him in the stands we can keep moving on.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2016 12:22:39 GMT
I'm not actually sure I like the tone of that article and quotes, especially the use of "To be fair to the manager" ref. Injuries to the back four. I might be reading too much into it and putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but it strikes me as Coates having to do a bit of defending behind the scenes. Thanks for that Fox. How's Mulder doing? Fox is Mulder you plum.  |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 26, 2016 12:48:07 GMT
Thanks for that Fox. How's Mulder doing? Fox is Mulder you plum.  What a doughnut. |
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Post by ryan4england on Apr 26, 2016 13:03:43 GMT
I'd like to know how we can be injury plagued and Leicester Scott free, they must do something different to us or is there a case for us having so many foreigners that just can't cope with the rigours of English football?
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 26, 2016 13:06:44 GMT
I'd like to know how we can be injury plagued and Leicester Scott free, they must do something different to us or is there a case for us having so many foreigners that just can't cope with the rigours of English football? The 3 players who've suffered some long term injuries this season (aside from Affelay right now) have been Butland, Shawcross, Johnson, all english. |
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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2016 13:25:08 GMT
This is standard "management speak" because his intended primary audience is the players and the other employees. The secondary audience is the fans. I'd be very surprised if he's saying the same thing to Hughes. Fortunately, his treatment of the previous manager suggests that he is a patient man and willing to give Hughes some time to rectify the situation because the team are not in any danger of immediate collapse. "Praise in public, chastise in private" is generally preferred and much more likely to produce results. This Summer will be critical for the team in general and Hughes in particular. 2016/7 season is likely to be "put-up or shut-up" for Hughes and his staff.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 26, 2016 13:37:40 GMT
Pez75
Chrisparker
Nail on head lads but it's to easy to be negative and Ignore the great stuff about Hughes and his methods.
One slight dip in 3 seasons and we still might finish top half and hit 50 + points But people continue to hammer the club but don't want hear about Facts ie the 73 injuries etc.
Really does baffle me like Stoke city are not allowed to lose and yes let's be honest the team does need a kick up the arse and Coates has probably said this to them behind closed doors it's how it should be done but given out publically his concerns and reasons why we are on a bad run to us.
Losing to Blyth Spartans in the 70s in the FA cup is the biggest embarrassment not agsinst a team in the top flight who might actually go on and win it.
Come on eh
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 26, 2016 13:53:28 GMT
I'd like to know how we can be injury plagued and Leicester Scott free, they must do something different to us or is there a case for us having so many foreigners that just can't cope with the rigours of English football? The 3 players who've suffered some long term injuries this season (aside from Affelay right now) have been Butland, Shawcross, Johnson, all english. Aside from Jack, we knew Ryan was struggling most of last season Johnson has historically been prone to injuries, Wilson injury prone , Muniesa sick note, Shaq never appears to be fit, Given too old when we signed him, Cameron keeps getting injured, Odem getting on injured last season, maybe we need to stop signing old/injury prone players. |
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 26, 2016 14:55:09 GMT
Reading between the lines in Bowens interview,when he says I think the players are giving their all.....I don't think he believes that and neither do I,especially those who are going to be involved in the Euro's....not sure about all these injures from certain players that keep cropping up either.....
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 26, 2016 15:11:43 GMT
Yes we have had some good results against some of the top teams this season, is this because we have improved or their standards have slipped compared to other seasons..I think we all know the answer to that one !!! Do. I think they will improve next season..yes..do I think we will take the same points off them next season ...no...not without some serious investment in the players we need for this league....no more lightweight tippy tippy players for me ,good footballers yes but with a more physical presence to go with that ability.....we were too far one way under Pulis, now we are too far the other way under Hughes .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 15:44:18 GMT
I think the next game against Sunderland will tell us a lot more.
Any kind of a loss could spell trouble, but a big loss could spell disaster.
A fracture between Coates and Hughes would be swift and irreparable and with very few quality managers available, especially ones who think we are a good project this is my biggest concern. I am sure we were lucky to get Hughes if he hadn't had his episode at QPR we would not have him here.
We have the talent, they have proven it against top teams. Is it fitness levels or inability by the manager to lift them?
I think its fitness, the EPL season is long and tough even warriors like SJW have succumbed to it this season, our defence is a disorganised shambles as a result. Link this with the perennial problem of never having a striker since we have been in the prem and the results are what we have.
I'm surprised by how high we are in the league considering we can't defend and we certainly can't score. When we do it's a contender for goal of the season, which in itself should tell us something. Rare have been the team goals like the first against Everton more often it's been individual excellence.
Same in defence where outstanding individual performances largely from Jack have been the norm where solid team defensive displays are uncommon, I remember against Man City we needlessly gave the ball away in dangerous places for example.
10th in the league and LOADS of room for improvement I suppose has to be a positive thing. But I suspect the Rollercoaster Ride that is the lot of a Stoke Fan will go on long after my bones are in the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 15:56:55 GMT
I think the festering under current is against our defending Our defending is festering Agree with you on that Pugs. However that problem alongside the fact we have strikers who could not hit a cows arse with a banjo is the reason for a pathetic goal difference. Joselu was a waste of money and Diouf will never be good enough. We need to kill teams off when we are on top. Surely P.C and Hughes must see this. |
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Post by pez75 on Apr 26, 2016 16:00:12 GMT
I think the next game against Sunderland will tell us a lot more. Any kind of a loss could spell trouble, but a big loss could spell disaster. A fracture between Coates and Hughes would be swift and irreparable and with very few quality managers available, especially ones who think we are a good project this is my biggest concern. I am sure we were lucky to get Hughes if he hadn't had his episode at QPR we would not have him here. We have the talent, they have proven it against top teams. Is it fitness levels or inability by the manager to lift them? I think its fitness, the EPL season is long and tough even warriors like SJW have succumbed to it this season, our defence is a disorganised shambles as a result. Link this with the perennial problem of never having a striker since we have been in the prem and the results are what we have. I'm surprised by how high we are in the league considering we can't defend and we certainly can't score. When we do it's a contender for goal of the season, which in itself should tell us something. Rare have been the team goals like the first against Everton more often it's been individual excellence. Same in defence where outstanding individual performances largely from Jack have been the norm where solid team defensive displays are uncommon, I remember against Man City we needlessly gave the ball away in dangerous places for example. 10th in the league and LOADS of room for improvement I suppose has to be a positive thing. But I suspect the Rollercoaster Ride that is the lot of a Stoke Fan will go on long after my bones are in the ground. Supporting Stoke has been like a rollercoaster - so anyone with a memory will surely see that this season has been the equivalent of a couple of ripples on the river of love. People on here are reacting like its the holocaust season all over again. Pathetic. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 26, 2016 16:13:05 GMT
Our defending is festering Agree with you on that Pugs. However that problem alongside the fact we have strikers who could not hit a cows arse with a banjo is the reason for a pathetic goal difference. Joselu was a waste of money and Diouf will never be good enough. We need to kill teams off when we are on top. Surely P.C and Hughes must see this. Yeah we're fucking wank mate, don't know why I bother going. Useless fuckers the lot 'em. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 26, 2016 16:20:54 GMT
Agree with you on that Pugs. However that problem alongside the fact we have strikers who could not hit a cows arse with a banjo is the reason for a pathetic goal difference. Joselu was a waste of money and Diouf will never be good enough. We need to kill teams off when we are on top. Surely P.C and Hughes must see this. Yeah we're fucking wank mate, don't know why I bother going. Useless fuckers the lot 'em. Don't exaggerate, it's only one or two! |
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 26, 2016 17:44:48 GMT
Leicester is a clear demonstration that it is all about teamwork not star players. Together of course with a huge slice of luck over injuries.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2016 17:46:19 GMT
The 3 players who've suffered some long term injuries this season (aside from Affelay right now) have been Butland, Shawcross, Johnson, all english. Aside from Jack, we knew Ryan was struggling most of last season Johnson has historically been prone to injuries, Wilson injury prone , Muniesa sick note, Shaq never appears to be fit, Given too old when we signed him, Cameron keeps getting injured, Odem getting on injured last season, maybe we need to stop signing old/injury prone players. Here's a potentially unpopular thought that I have from time to time. Is it possible that some injury-prone players end up at Stoke because other teams aren't willing to take a chance Tin hat! |
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 26, 2016 17:48:46 GMT
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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2016 17:49:57 GMT
I'd like to know how we can be injury plagued and Leicester Scott free, they must do something different to us or is there a case for us having so many foreigners that just can't cope with the rigours of English football? The 3 players who've suffered some long term injuries this season (aside from Affelay right now) have been Butland, Shawcross, Johnson, all english. Correct me if I'm wrong; however, I believe last season it was Bojan and Muniesa. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 26, 2016 18:07:29 GMT
I think the next game against Sunderland will tell us a lot more. Any kind of a loss could spell trouble, but a big loss could spell disaster. A fracture between Coates and Hughes would be swift and irreparable and with very few quality managers available, especially ones who think we are a good project this is my biggest concern. I am sure we were lucky to get Hughes if he hadn't had his episode at QPR we would not have him here. We have the talent, they have proven it against top teams. Is it fitness levels or inability by the manager to lift them? I think its fitness, the EPL season is long and tough even warriors like SJW have succumbed to it this season, our defence is a disorganised shambles as a result. Link this with the perennial problem of never having a striker since we have been in the prem and the results are what we have. I'm surprised by how high we are in the league considering we can't defend and we certainly can't score. When we do it's a contender for goal of the season, which in itself should tell us something. Rare have been the team goals like the first against Everton more often it's been individual excellence. Same in defence where outstanding individual performances largely from Jack have been the norm where solid team defensive displays are uncommon, I remember against Man City we needlessly gave the ball away in dangerous places for example. 10th in the league and LOADS of room for improvement I suppose has to be a positive thing. But I suspect the Rollercoaster Ride that is the lot of a Stoke Fan will go on long after my bones are in the ground. Supporting Stoke has been like a rollercoaster - so anyone with a memory will surely see that this season has been the equivalent of a couple of ripples on the river of love. People on here are reacting like its the holocaust season all over again. Pathetic.
I'll be there again Saturday willing us to beat Sunderland and chewing my nails. I DON'T do fingernail chewing ever.This habit has to stop and I don't just mean my fingertips. We can only sit back and speculate as observers looking at what's been happening. As you've said it's not easy following our lot at the best of times but this up down good then bad series of events is excruciating. From the first game I ever saw when we beat Lester 3-1 at the Vic, 1968 I think, the rollercoaster had me on it as well. 50 quid says we win it next year.
I also predict i'll own 2 Ferraris an Aston Martin and be dating that blonde bird who plays tennis.
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 26, 2016 19:53:45 GMT
The 3 players who've suffered some long term injuries this season (aside from Affelay right now) have been Butland, Shawcross, Johnson, all english. Correct me if I'm wrong; however, I believe last season it was Bojan and Muniesa. Yes that's true but my point is it's not just the foreign players who've found it hard to cope with the intensity of the premier league. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 26, 2016 20:55:42 GMT
The 3 players who've suffered some long term injuries this season (aside from Affelay right now) have been Butland, Shawcross, Johnson, all english. Aside from Jack, we knew Ryan was struggling most of last season Johnson has historically been prone to injuries, Wilson injury prone , Muniesa sick note, Shaq never appears to be fit, Given too old when we signed him, Cameron keeps getting injured, Odem getting on injured last season, maybe we need to stop signing old/injury prone players. Maybe you've hit on the reason we let Rob Huth go. He did have two knee operations that caused him to miss most of 2014. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 26, 2016 21:04:53 GMT
Aside from Jack, we knew Ryan was struggling most of last season Johnson has historically been prone to injuries, Wilson injury prone , Muniesa sick note, Shaq never appears to be fit, Given too old when we signed him, Cameron keeps getting injured, Odem getting on injured last season, maybe we need to stop signing old/injury prone players. Maybe you've hit on the reason we let Rob Huth go. He did have two knee operations that caused him to miss most of 2014.  hopefully we can use the same surgeon we used to fix Rob to fix our walking wounded, with a bit of luck they can recover to the extent he has with Leicester this season and last then lead us to the title next season. |
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What a doughnut.
hopefully we can use the same surgeon we used to fix Rob to fix our walking wounded, with a bit of luck they can recover to the extent he has with Leicester this season and last then lead us to the title next season.
