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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 1, 2016 10:31:54 GMT
It took Arnie a year to fit in. For some it does for sure but others Affelay Payet Kante Claisie are four who have had good seasons . Arnie sorted himself out last summer when he decided to train harder and get fitter and he has reaped the rewards this season which has easily been his best for us . Shaq and Imbula need to want to put the effort in also . We will see what next season brings , I have some hope for Imbula if he is prepared to work , I doubt Shaq will cut it but happy to be wrong
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 10:32:59 GMT
But when he plays as the second midfielder it is part of his job! And that's where he was bought for but now he's been pushed forward which suggests Hughes doesn't at this time trust him to do the job he was bought for. I think he was bought in to play the job he is doing now to break the midfield line on the attack and start attacking moves, Whelos in there to defend. Its clear to see he doesn't have a defensive bone in his body so Hughes must have knew this when he signed him.
But that second midfielder has to provide a modicum of shape and just tracking a player, he has to and Imbula just doesn't. Interesting point re Hughes, RVD mentioned it in another thread, Imbula looks like another player Hughes has signed and doesn't really know what to do with him.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 1, 2016 10:39:11 GMT
I don't see what's so wrong about what Bayern and others have been saying. He's fantastic on the ball, but he's not fit enough at the minute and doesn't know the English game well enough. A good pre-season with good coaching and some English lessons will put him right.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 1, 2016 10:39:19 GMT
But when he plays as the second midfielder it is part of his job! And that's where he was bought for but now he's been pushed forward which suggests Hughes doesn't at this time trust him to do the job he was bought for. I think he was bought in to play the job he is doing now to break the midfield line on the attack and start attacking moves, Whelos in there to defend. Its clear to see he doesn't have a defensive bone in his body so Hughes must have knew this when he signed him.
He was brought in to replace Nzonzi. That means being one of the deeper midfielders. That means having to do some defensive work off the ball.
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Post by LDE76 on May 1, 2016 10:50:32 GMT
Did I really just read a post which claimed that we signed him because he played well against us in a friendly?
I didn't, did I?
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Post by PB1863 on May 1, 2016 11:18:10 GMT
The way he kicked the ball away shows he is obviously frustrated with himself. As everybody has said a good pre season will fix things. Much as he frustrates us we need to help him through this difficult time and help him settle in.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 11:42:40 GMT
I don't see what is so wrong with what Bayern and others (including myself) are saying. As it stands right now, Imbula's attitude and desire is definitely up for debate. The only thing that should be up for debate is his fitness to do the job a midfielder has to do in this country. He's clearly an incredibly talented footballer who is frustrated with himself more than anything. When he got booked it was clearly because of the frustration he felt that his legs simply wouldn't allow him to do what he wanted to do. Pre-season and some english lessons will see him play a huge part next season. If, then, he can't operate in a midfield 2 with bojan ahead of him, it was 18.3m spunked up the wall. His fitness has nowt to do with awareness and his apparent lack of desire to do any tracking back at all. He looks an incredibly talented player and hopefully Hughes can drill into him what is expected of him as a central midfielder, at the minute though I'm getting a feeling of a player who isn't enjoying being here one bit.
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Post by tuum on May 1, 2016 12:30:22 GMT
Imbers is basically a carbon copy of Yaya, on the ball they can drive past players with ease and set attacks from deep but with that off the ball they both look lazy and are bad positionally we have to take the rough with the smooth with him. I think Imbers is an easy target but for me its the same as moaning at Glenn for not creating attacks and only passing sideways cos its not what hes in the team for. ....except Glenn cost 500k and Nat cost 18M. You would think for the extra 17.5M we would get a more complete player.
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Post by liamo on May 1, 2016 12:38:51 GMT
It's not laziness imo, it's sharpness and that will come with time, he's come to a different country in the middle of a season without being able to speak English and he's been thrown in to a new system which he needs to adapt to which again will take time
Very rarely do players hit the ground running and some fans are very quick to write players off, it's happened to Bojan, Arnie, Shaqiri and now Imbula
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 1, 2016 12:39:53 GMT
But when he plays as the second midfielder it is part of his job! And that's where he was bought for but now he's been pushed forward which suggests Hughes doesn't at this time trust him to do the job he was bought for. I think he was bought in to play the job he is doing now to break the midfield line on the attack and start attacking moves, Whelos in there to defend. Its clear to see he doesn't have a defensive bone in his body so Hughes must have knew this when he signed him.
If that's true, then it would suggest that Bojan (unless you go false 9) and Imbula can't play in the same team and I'd be surprised if Hughes would drop 18 big ones on such a player.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 1, 2016 13:46:42 GMT
The only thing that should be up for debate is his fitness to do the job a midfielder has to do in this country. He's clearly an incredibly talented footballer who is frustrated with himself more than anything. When he got booked it was clearly because of the frustration he felt that his legs simply wouldn't allow him to do what he wanted to do. Pre-season and some english lessons will see him play a huge part next season. If, then, he can't operate in a midfield 2 with bojan ahead of him, it was 18.3m spunked up the wall. His fitness has nowt to do with awareness and his apparent lack of desire to do any tracking back at all. He looks an incredibly talented player and hopefully Hughes can drill into him what is expected of him as a central midfielder, at the minute though I'm getting a feeling of a player who isn't enjoying being here one bit. His fitness is a massive part of it. These problems weren't identified in his first few performances which were superb because they weren't there. They emerged in the Everton defeat where he spent most of the game working out how to keep warm. N'zonzi didn't like running back to his own goal either but he rarely got as far forward as imbula does. Imbula goes on a lung busting foray and you can see him gasping for air as he trudges back. The premier league is unrelenting and the pace of it unlike any other league in the world. Imbula will be quality next season and this half season will have done him the world of good.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 1, 2016 14:02:35 GMT
Imbula plays at another level. Not many understand what he's up to. The rest of the team become extras. I wish everyone was a Imbula player. With all due respect, this is rubbish. If every player was an Imbula player we'd be playing in The Championship. Yeah. He's not very good in goal.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 14:31:27 GMT
With all due respect, this is rubbish. If every player was an Imbula player we'd be playing in The Championship. Yeah. He's not very good in goal. He isn't that crash hot in midfield either.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 1, 2016 14:48:05 GMT
Yeah. He's not very good in goal. He isn't that crash hot in midfield either. Yeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh....
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Post by milky on May 1, 2016 14:53:24 GMT
You don't go to places like Stamford Bridge and completely boss the midfield unless you've got something about you.
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Post by LDE76 on May 1, 2016 14:58:58 GMT
You don't go to places like Stamford Bridge and completely boss the midfield unless you've got something about you. I'm glad someone else posted this. I was beginning to think that it was all a dream, like that time I left the Vic after thrashing Man Utd and walked straight into my Biology 'A' level exam, only to realise that I hadn't got a pen and hadn't done any revision.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 1, 2016 15:04:56 GMT
You don't go to places like Stamford Bridge and completely boss the midfield unless you've got something about you. When greenhoff speaks you have to listen.
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Post by lordb on May 1, 2016 15:06:12 GMT
It's not though is it? He can't play the second midfielder role and not improve his defensive positioning and effort. He can't play where he did today and not improve his pressuring. His temperament has to change. He needs to pass it sooner. And he needs to improve his shooting. I think all of that will happen because he is such a bloody good player. His dribbling is up there with the best in the league. His vision when he does pass is brilliant. He's the got the range to defend and attack, there's nothing stopping him barring desire. He's good in the air, I mention this because I think I'm between him and Fonz there was nothing there. We have a heck of a player, he just needs to be coached and nurtured to reach his potential. He's at the right club then
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Post by milky on May 1, 2016 15:08:34 GMT
You don't go to places like Stamford Bridge and completely boss the midfield unless you've got something about you. When greenhoff speaks you have to listen. If it was Sir Jimmy maybe I would. ..
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Post by LDE76 on May 1, 2016 15:11:30 GMT
When greenhoff speaks you have to listen. If it was Sir Jimmy maybe I would. .. I just clicked back onto this thread and read your post without looking at the quote contained within. It's safe to say, I got entirely the wrong impression.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 1, 2016 15:19:40 GMT
He's French. No suprise.
Sent from my GT-I9192 using proboards
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Post by milky on May 1, 2016 15:20:13 GMT
If it was Sir Jimmy maybe I would. .. I just clicked back onto this thread and read your post without looking at the quote contained within. It's safe to say, I got entirely the wrong impression. Yes I can see how it could have been viewed in an extremely sinister kind of way
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 15:55:20 GMT
He's French. No suprise. Sent from my GT-I9192 using proboards Belgian?
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 1, 2016 16:54:12 GMT
I don't see what's so wrong about what Bayern and others have been saying. He's fantastic on the ball, but he's not fit enough at the minute and doesn't know the English game well enough. A good pre-season with good coaching and some English lessons will put him right. One aspect that was all too easy for all to see was his lack of raw pace. There were a couple of chases, one on one sprints where he just ran in second. Great feet, knows how to nutmeg (good view from my seat) slick passing when he does. Still bedding in. Wouldn't call him lazy.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 1, 2016 17:03:40 GMT
He's French. No suprise. Sent from my GT-I9192 using proboards Belgian? He chose to play for France. Shorter working week. Sent from my GT-I9192 using proboards
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Post by march4 on May 1, 2016 17:18:57 GMT
Alleluia, Imbula, Imbula.
Alleluia, Imbula, Imbula.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 7, 2016 17:51:13 GMT
Well after me defending him last week I watched him closely and off the ball that was about as passive, lazy, positionally inept as it is possible to be. I don't know what is going on in his head when the other team has the ball, its like he thinks the game has stopped and only starts again when someone delivers the ball right at his feet
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Post by Pugsley on May 7, 2016 17:54:54 GMT
Hughes's Crouch/Palacios moment...?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 17:55:40 GMT
Hughes's Crouch/Palacios moment...? What's up with you tonight?
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Post by Pugsley on May 7, 2016 17:57:17 GMT
Hughes's Crouch/Palacios moment...? What's up with you tonight? Nowt mate, just my usual rational self...
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